Not By Works

I was the same for many years Hev. And I started praying for deliverance after viewing Sheepfold on tv. It was a deliverance ministry. I knew if I could get there, I would be delivered. I started attending a coffeehouse in the city where I worked. And the Lord sent a young man to there who did teachings on the authority and power of Jesus.

I had a spirit of grief from certain life experiences. Now depression can't touch me no matter what happens.

Solomon went and looked at a worldly field belonging to a worldly man
did it lead him closer or further from God to see it?

this here's the key, IMO


what good does it do me to hang out on CC reading page after page of bad theology, wrong doctrine and poor exegesis?
absolutely none, if i don't apply my heart to what i observe. but if i do, who knows but that i may learn something from it?

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that's 1-4

If anyone feels they need help, pm me. I can recommend several ministries.

The course on demons was online. Not offered anymore.

In the boat with you.
Don't think I have depression.
But sure do here generalised severe anxiety.

....WHY or HOW could God possibly USE the CHURCH to TEACH SATAN about the many sided (manifold) aspects of God's Wisdom.....?

? Where did you get that from the scripture? The church should know what to do for tormented people.

what about,

the same way that, in Genesis 3, the angels were watching, and learned His wisdom when He said that One would arise and crush the head of the serpent.

they see what He is doing, what He has done in redeeming man
not that we ourselves are preaching to heavenly beings -- but by what He demonstrates in us, they see, and are taught?

What I want to know is, positionally is the world or all ever born raised up with Jesus in His resurrection? I know that this has to be received personally for each of us but if this is true...why isn't it being preached?

Is this why Jesus said to lift up the Cross and all men will be drawn to Him.

Not teaching it....searching.

From your first quote in reply to y questions about why you think Satan is in the 2nd heaven......the words of JESUS, Peter and PAUL seem to contradict that idea.

My severe generalised anxiety actually started in church.
One minute fine then the next minute it was like my stomach was ripped open and a bazillion butterflies placed in my stomach.
At its worst it paralyses me.

Went for deliverance ministry stones.

Was worse afterwards.
There was manifestation of something.
Rejection. I remember vividly getting very hot, pushing my seat back and saying "I have every right to be here, been here in the womb, now **** off.

It wasnt dealt with. The people walking with me fell ill.
Was offered it with another couple but refused it.
I couldn't bear having to talk with the new couple who I did not know and having to talk about all the stuff from my past again. Shame, pain and guilt was too much to expose again.

Suffered with it now for 30 years.
Still here, run a company, employ 30 people, 4 Christian children, ministry in church, on my own and one with my wife.

I drag my sorry ass out of bed and do the above..

For me maybe that's it, maybe that's what the rest of my life will me.
Maybe it's the thorn in my flesh, and yes it is painful. But I have learned to forsake me and love others in all of this.

Interesting thoughts. Am going to look at other translations.

Whilst I do agree with the above why do you limit to just the above?
Could we not add much much more to that list?

What do you think?

This is from bible-knowledge.com

4. Earthbound Demons
However, as we also know, Satan also has many of his demons who are working down here on this first heaven, which I believe is our earth. Many people call these earthbound demons.

These are the demons who will try and attach to people, whether it be to get in on the inside of their bodies, or follow them around like a dark cloud trying to cause as much trouble and mayhem as they possibly can with them.

What many deliverance ministers have found out is that many of these earthbound demons are taking direct orders from these higher ranking demons who are in these 2nd heaven positions.

And not only do these higher-ranking demons control some of the action down here with demons who are assigned to certain individuals, but these second heaven demons are also controlling the action over certain geographical areas on our earth.

And this now brings us right into the heart of this debate. Do we as Christians have the power and authority from the Lord to directly engage with these 2nd heaven demons, or should we only deal with the earthbound demons who are directly attacking people down here on this earth?

After studying both sides of this argument, it is our own personal opinion that we only deal directly with the earthbound demons who are working down here on this earth trying to attack as many individuals as they can.

When you study the Gospel accounts of Jesus and the apostles taking on demonic spirits, they were only taking on demons who were on the inside of people. There is not one verse in the Bible that I am aware of where Jesus or one of His apostles were taking on any demons who were operating in the 2nd heaven.

In the Great Commission Command given to us by Jesus right before He left us, He told us to “cast out demons.”

The way Jesus was wording this command, you can tell that He is referring to demons who are attached to people, not to demons who are operating in these 2nd heaven positions. He also does not give us any words or commands to “cast down” demons from the 2nd heaven positions. As such, I believe we should stay completely away from this kind of activity.

you weren't kidding..... my house is shaking and crackling

gettin hit now over here

powerful constant winds for awhile

I wouldn't accept it as your thorn in the flesh unless Holy Spirit speaks that. I don't see you as one who would get a big head over many revelations like Paul. Not meaning this a judgement to put you down, I just don't see pride in you.

The ministries that I know about are in the states. Greater Works from Monroeville, Pa. is one. Hope I don't get into trouble posting this but it's too important to me.

Jesus gives us the abundant life. Pray and let Jesus bring you to the right one. I'll agree with you.

Not sure what you mean here.

Jesus allowed a thorn in flesh to be in Paul because of his many revelations. To keep him humble I think. But, it's what he said.

Something I'm going to share here.

When I was very young....early teens I think it was....the devil spoke to me that he had an army and I was destined for it.

This caused great agitation in me. It was always in the back of my mind. Even after being born again and Baptized in Holy Spirit.

He speaks doubts and lies all the time. If he says it...it's a lie. But, I had to learn the power of the Word to oppose those doubts.

We never belonged to him. We are the Lords creation. Being ransomed back from the power of the enemy....so wonderful. Freed to be who we are created to be...and to be with. God!

He goes after that lost sheep for one reason. He loves us!

I apologize, this story is.ake believe. It was intended to open tbe eyes of the people who put too much credit and emphasis on the physical manifestation of good work's.
When the crowd asked Christ, "What shall we do to do the work of God?"
Christ was clear and cut and dry with his response. "Believe on the one he has sent".
There is nl kther way to vkew this. it is a simple, one sente ce answed, wigh absolutely no elaboration.