Is God that cruel?

You know what should worry us more than changing someone's mind? That some day we might get to the point where we're unwilling to change ours.

It all boils down to . . . "Daddy! I really want to go to hell! Please?"

God is just giving them what they choose.

Let.s say you have a son..and he did something terible, hurt someone or broke something...you as a parent, would you send him to burn in hell for eternity because of that?...i guess not, cause he's your son and you love him...so i ask you..how could God punish people with an eternity in hell because of their sins...God, who is pure love...he could to that? Isn.t that a little cruel?

Let.s say you have a son..and he did something terible, hurt someone or broke something...you as a parent, would you send him to burn in hell for eternity because of that?...i guess not, cause he's your son and you love him...so i ask you..how could God punish people with an eternity in hell because of their sins...God, who is pure love...he could to that? Isn.t that a little cruel?

People who claim sola scriptura need the creeds to explain to them what the Bible says.

I don't think they understand what "sola scriptura" means . . .

So you believe in reincarnation?

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Is point 2 & 3 your belief? If so, are you a Calvinist?
Just getting the question out of the way before it becomes an accusation. [/QUOTE

He didnt create us to live one life The Great White Throne Judgment at the end of Gods Plan of salvation gives those who have never had a real chance to know God or have been so deceived they had no chance an opportunity to be resurrected and given that chance to know Him ,to live a life out and have that chance

Nope!!

I pray for people I know who deny God, refuse God, claim He does not exist "that whatever it take God, make this person know You are real and the only one who can bring healing, restoration, salvation"..

Is my prayer cruel, when you consider a person could lose family members, lose the ability to walk, lose friends, become the epitome of hopelessness, end up in jail/prison, anything that seems harsh and bad can be added here in order to wake these people up to believe in God?

I believe my prayer is on the same line as God casting a sinner into the Lake of Fire, because ultimately, my prayer is the same as how God will do anything to ensure no one goes to eternal damnation. He died for them! He proved He does not want them there. But as a sovereign God, He will not interfere in a person's personal choice to deny Him and walk away from Him.

Actually, look at it this way:

Suppose I built a resort for the homeless. All I asked for them to enter was to stop and say thank you on the way in the door. That's it. Just acknowledge what i am doing and you're in. Tell me to kiss off and you can go sit on the curb.

Am I really responsible for those who choose to sit on the curb?

Actually, look at it this way:

Suppose I built a resort for the homeless. All I asked for them to enter was to stop and say thank you on the way in the door. That's it. Just acknowledge what i am doing and you're in. Tell me to kiss off and you can go sit on the curb.

Am I really responsible for those who choose to sit on the curb?

Yes, you have the free will to say thanks and enter, or to say kiss off and sit on the curb. Totally a free will choice.

Can you see those passages I quoted?
Can you see that it's 100% different than anything in the other 59 books?
Your quote of 1Cor 15 is meaningless. During Acts, no one knew about the dispensation of the mystery, which changes everything for Gentiles.
I don't even think it's 1%. More ike .1%, 1 per 1000. The remainder, I think, will be on the New Earth.

I've spent the last 30 years trying is convince people to see it, so they too will go to heaven. It's not for me, it's for them. To me and all that see it, it's as plain as the nose on your face. The first thing people say after seeing it is, "I can't believe most people can't see it"

Maybe God only wants a very limited amount of people up there. We are predestined though His foreknowledge.

Here's a very short list of earthly things that don't apply to anyone today. Gotta eliminate them from your doctrine

---the Lord's prayer
---the Lord's supper,
---Christ's gospel of the Kingdom
---the Great Commission
---the churches in the Gospels and Acts (we have a new church in Eph and Col),
---the New Covenant,
---the sermon on the mount,
---all of the Law,
---water baptism,
---the Gifts of the Spirit,
---the idea that we are the seed of Abraham,
---the New Jerusalem,
---the idea that we are now part of Israel,
---the idea that Israel are God's chosen people at the present time (Israel was actually set aside in about 63AD),
---that prophecy is being fulfilled today
---that the present nation of Israel was the fulfillment of prophecy,
---and, of course, Satan's favorite, the Rapture

The Calling for every person that has lived since 64AD is the Heavenly Places, Far above the Starry Heavens, in the Heaven of Heavens, where Christ ascended to and now sits at the right hand of God, Eph 1:20 (Christ), Eph 2:6 (Us - Same place). This is not found in the OT, the Gospels, or Acts. It is found ONLY in Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles. Everything in those 7 books is part of a Mystery that was hid in God since the world began, Eph 3:9, Col 1:26, and was revealed to Paul after the end of Acts, Eph 3:3.
Eph 1:20
"Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, "
Eph 2:6
"And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: "
Eph 3:9
And to make all men see what is the dispensation of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Col 1:26
"Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: "
Eph 3:3
"How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; "

We Gentiles, who God foresaw that we would want to SEE the Hope of our calling, were chosen since before the world began, Eph 1:4. Our citizenship is in Heaven, Phil 3:20.

Eph 1:4
"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"
Phil 3:20 ESV
"But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,

This is totally unassociated from Israel. It's 100% Gentile plus those few Jews who Have accepted Christ. No Jew in the Bible is ever said to have a chance to go to Heaven. Israel are an earthly people, The Gentiles are a Heavenly people. In vs 2 below we are told basically to ignore things on the earth. That includes anything and everything associated with earthly Israel. In vs 4, when Christ appears in Glory, which is above the Heavens, Ps 8:1, we will be there with Him. The is called the "Appearing", the "epiphaneia", 2Tim 4:1, 8, Titus 2:13. This is not the Rapture, the parousia. In fact, the word parousia doesn't appear in the after-Acts epistles

Col 3:1-4
1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
Ps 8:1
O Lord, our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.
2Tim 4:1
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Tim 4:8,
Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

I might mention that very few people have been given the eyes to SEE these verses and claim them. In Eph 1:17-18, Paul prays that God will give the eyes of understanding to SEE the Hope of our calling. I believe that God won;t allow you to see your Hope if you still believe that the myriad of Israel's things are yours but aren't, things like the Rapture, the New Jerusalem, the Gifts, Abraham being your father, the earthly Kingdom, etc. I could fill a page with these. In essence, except for Jesus Christ, NOTHING that was ever given to Israel was given to the Gentile today. The things that belong to you are found ONLY in Paul's 7 post-Acts Books.

Eph 1:16-18
16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

I'm convinced that those that retain all their Israel baggage, that the Denominational Church System tells you is yours but isn't, about 99+% of you will never go the the Highest Heaven, but instead, will go though the white throne judgment and end up on the New Earth with the nation Israel. Many are called, but few are chosen.

I believe everything I wrote and have believed it for 30 years. I didn't think all this up. It was discovered to be hidden in plain sight in the Bible, only, about 110 years ago. It's the ONLY way the Bible works without a hitch, and it totally removes contradictions. I pray that at least person will be given the eyes to see this. If you see it, obey 2Tim 2:15 (rightly divide, correctly cut God's Word) and mentally cut and divide between the end of Acts (59 books) and beginning of Ephesians (7 books - Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus, and Philemon). Assuming you're saaved, put the 59 books on the shelf and concentrate on the 7 for a few months, especially Eph and Col. Just remember that nothing in the 59 books, except Christ, has anything to do with your future. Pray for God to give you the eyes to see the hope of your calling in Eph and Col, especially. Getting rid of the Jewish baggage is a work in progress. It took me about 10 years.

God is filling the 3 parts of His universe with human Saints, to run things, I believe. From Gen 12 through Acts, about 2000 years, He was filling the New Earth and the all-Israel New Jerusalem with Israel Saints. The NJ has a gate for each tribe and no gate for Gentiles, although there will be a few from Acts. From the end of Acts, 64AD through about 2064, 2000 years, He is filling Heavenly Places, God's abode, with Gentile Saints.

Let.s say you have a son..and he did something terible, hurt someone or broke something...you as a parent, would you send him to burn in hell for eternity because of that?...i guess not, cause he's your son and you love him...so i ask you..how could God punish people with an eternity in hell because of their sins...God, who is pure love...he could to that? Isn.t that a little cruel?

G-d doesn't....that's the reason He gives us unlimited number of times to be forgiven.
Have you read/studied The Bible?
You may wish to do so. Then you will understand how your hypothetical doesn't fit and is offensive.

what of a person that lives where there are no bibles, or someone that lives where the ones handing out bibles are the same ones killing everyone around you.

I understand that you don't hold the Bible as authoritative, but I hope you will accept what it postulates in Hebrews 9:27 "And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment". Reincarnation is inconsistent with the Bible's teaching.

Let.s say you have a son..and he did something terible, hurt someone or broke something...you as a parent, would you send him to burn in hell for eternity because of that?...i guess not, cause he's your son and you love him...so i ask you..how could God punish people with an eternity in hell because of their sins...God, who is pure love...he could to that? Isn.t that a little cruel?

what of a person that lives where there are no bibles, or someone that lives where the ones handing out bibles are the same ones killing everyone around you.

Let.s say you have a son..and he did something terible, hurt someone or broke something...you as a parent, would you send him to burn in hell for eternity because of that?...i guess not, cause he's your son and you love him...so i ask you..how could God punish people with an eternity in hell because of their sins...God, who is pure love...he could to that? Isn.t that a little cruel?