Not By Works

Are you really that dense or contentious..............I mean this is getting beyond stupid..........get some honesty or don't address me......EVER.........

I read some of your posts. I wouldn't call you a babe.

Scripture speaks of the called, chosen, and faithful. Then whosoevers....

I see this but I don't have a set opinion yet. And it's why I asked.

But, wasn't His prayer that we would be one with Him as He is with Father? That's not for anyone but His body.

I do it all the time, you just don't listen and or remain blind to what I post because of your religious bias and or opinion Fran

and JUDAS was never saved.........get that through your head FRAN.....JUDAS NEVER believed............and was NEVER clean according to JESUS....start believing him over the priests and false teachers you listen to.

I have a little work to do outside and when I get back in will post a few.......if I don't forget hahaha as this thread moves like the speed of sound HAHH

Amen! Well said. I’ve had discussions with such people whose belief/faith falls short of believing in/trusting in/placing faith in/upon Jesus Christ alone for salvation. There are many people who believe “mental assent” in the existence of Jesus and also in historical facts about Jesus, yet they fail to trust in Jesus as the all sufficient means of their salvation and instead trust in works for salvation.

Personally, the way the Psalms testify of his conviction, I believe God would have laid in on him so heavy that the end result would have been the same...WHY...because he was a man after God's own heart, plus it would be from his lineage the Lion of JUDAH would come..........and the fact that God had already prepared a sacrifice....the new born innocent son........

Regardless.........even if God would have killed him or had him killed under the law, he would not have lost his salvation.........

Can someone lose their faith?

If satan entered Judas, and scripture says he did, don't you think he could of been driven by torment to kill himself?

What I don't understand and maybe I'm being simple here.

But if I come to genuine faith in Jesus (sorry UG) but then rely on my works to save me then do I not negate faith in and upon Jesus for salvation.
It's like the cross was not sufficient and I have to add to it.
How can I do that?
I can't do it, if I could I would and if Jesus said I could he would have to us we could.

If we assume we could then would Jesus needed to have died in the cross?

Amen! Christ’s finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-28)

We as a NEW CREATION IN CHRIST, WILL produce some of the Fruit of the SPIRIT. It is second nature of our Born Again human spirit to respond in LOVE, to the needs of others. Haven't you ever bought a Sandwich for beggar on a street, simply because the LORD put it on your heart to do so, or helped a Neighbor in need, or sat with a senior extra long, because you sensed they just needed to talk. Those are the kind of things that CHRIST, considers to be ministering to others. I used make it a habit when the LORD put it on my heart, when I saw a particular type of needy people begging for food, of buying them a large size Hogue, so they can get 3 meals out of it. And when they went to thank me for it, I would tell them, "NO, Jesus told me to buy that for you, so you thank HIM."



Matthew 25:34-46 (HCSB)
34 Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in;
36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you took care of Me; I was in prison and you visited Me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink?
38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or without clothes and clothe You?
39 When did we see You sick, or in prison, and visit You?’
40 “And the King will answer them, ‘I assure you: Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’
41 Then He will also say to those on the left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels!
42 For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink;
43 I was a stranger and you didn’t take Me in; I was naked and you didn’t clothe Me, sick and in prison and you didn’t take care of Me.’
44 “Then they too will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or without clothes, or sick, or in prison, and not help You?’
45 “Then He will answer them, ‘I assure you: Whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me either.’
46 “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

I do not see anyone with NO Fruit of the Spirit, being saved. Do YOU ? ? ?


Matthew 13:18-23 (HCSB)
18 “You, then, listen to the parable of the sower:
19 When anyone hears the word about the kingdom and doesn’t understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the one sown along the path.
20 And the one sown on rocky ground—this is one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy.
21 Yet he has no root in himself, but is short-lived. When pressure or persecution comes because of the word, immediately he stumbles.
22 Now the one sown among the thorns—this is one who hears the word, but the worries of this age and the seduction of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.
23 But the one sown on the good ground—this is one who hears and understands the word, who does bear fruit and yields: some 100, some 60, some 30 times ⌊what was sown⌋.”

My take on the Parable of the Sower, is UNFRUITFULLNESS, equates to NOT BORN AGAIN. I think that is why the Parable of the GATES, say that only a FEW enter in the right GATE, and a little lower in Mat Chapter 7, HE implies that the reason the MANY do not KNOW HIM, is they have NEVER established a Personal Relationship with Him.

Another related portion of Scripture is: 1 John 3:14-19. I do not see a CHRISTIAN without GODLY LOVE flowing out of HIM.

1 John 3:14-19 (HCSB)
14 We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.
15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
16 This is how we have come to know love: He laid down His life for us. We should also lay down our lives for our brothers.
17 If anyone has this world’s goods and sees his brother in need but closes his eyes to his ⌊need⌋—how can God’s love reside in him?
18 Little children, we must not love with word or speech, but with truth and action.
19 This is how we will know we belong to the truth and will convince our conscience in His presence,

Isaiah 55:1-4

An Invitation to Abundant Life
1 “Ho! Everyone who thirsts,
Come to the waters;
And you who have no money,
Come, buy and eat.
Yes, come, buy wine and milk
Without money and without price.
2 Why do you spend money for what is not bread,
And your wages for what does not satisfy?
Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good,
And let your soul delight itself in abundance.
3 Incline your ear, and come to Me.
Hear, and your soul shall live;
And I will make an everlasting covenant with you—
The sure mercies of David.
4 Indeed I have given him as a witness to the people,
A leader and commander for the people.

Wine and milk are symbols of complete satisfaction (v. 2). Not only does God’s salvation supply what is necessary for life, but it also provides what brings joy. You who have no money … buy expresses that salvation cannot be bought, but is a free gift for those who desire it (52:3; Deut. 8:3; Rom. 6:23).

Firstly don't put yourself down.
There are many on here who will jump at the opportunity to do so.

We know that for God so loved the world that he gave his only son so that those who believe in him will be saved.

Now given the question you ask is it possible that

Jesus was actually praying specifically for his disciples . It does not implicate that He did not love the rest of the world, but He knew what was ahead for the disciples and was praying for extra strength for them.

So we know God so loved the world, God in the flesh came for the whole world.
So Jesus prayed for those given to him for the 3 years Jesus was on earth.
So he prayed for them knowing that he was going to ask them to go out to the world to preach the Gospel

Hmm very interesting indeed.
Never thought about it this way.

I would like to ask the question though.

Can satan enter a believer?
We know he can deceive a believer, gain a foothold but enter one?

Jesus is the best shepherd!

I love Jesus!

Some of these guys take God out the picture completely! It becomes just man doing this and not doing that. I believe its best to look at it from God's point of view!

You haven't answered my question or you don't understand it.

Let's try again:

1. God predestinates EVERYTHING.
2. Man has no free will,,,at least, not libertarian free will.
3. The holocaust happens.

If God predestinates EVERYTHING...doesn't He predestinate the holocaust?
If not, why not?

You said wicked men caused the holocaust....
God predestined these men to be wicked and to create the war ......

If God predesinates everything....

Everything means everything.

What is difficult to understand?
I'm not an emotional person when speaking theology.
You like Romans 8:29....

Go for it....

Did I say it wasn't? Jesus clearly says it is. I always believe what Jesus says.
You're always in attack mode.
I hope everyone here sees this in you.

Yeah.
I guess it's difficult to address the truth...

Some just listen to your empty words....
I, on the other hand,,,require some explanation..
which is never forthcoming from you.

When persons that know they're wrong are put up against a wall,
they go into attack mode.

That would be you right now.