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I agree . we should want to follow every N.T. command that Christ followers are told to keep.
but, because we are saved. not to maintain salvation.
it's very simple. people that do not care about Christ do not care what he said for us to do.
people that do believe in Christ for salvation want to do what he says.
because one believes in Christ for salvation and then strive to do what He ( and for that matter Paul, Peter, James , John, Jude) said.
so, I am not against you speaking about obedience . I am pro-obedience of the right things for the right reasons.
an, I will go ahead and apologize to you about being rough with you.
maybe you should try not to preach that salvation has to be earned and maintained ( total lie ), and you would not get harsh pushback.
but, because we are saved. not to maintain salvation.
it's very simple. people that do not care about Christ do not care what he said for us to do.
people that do believe in Christ for salvation want to do what he says.
because one believes in Christ for salvation and then strive to do what He ( and for that matter Paul, Peter, James , John, Jude) said.
so, I am not against you speaking about obedience . I am pro-obedience of the right things for the right reasons.
an, I will go ahead and apologize to you about being rough with you.
maybe you should try not to preach that salvation has to be earned and maintained ( total lie ), and you would not get harsh pushback.
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My wife and many others have suggested unfortunately these forums take up too much time
with too little benefit. Maybe the focus we have is in the wrong place, and we waste too
much of our lives on things that are not significant.
I know 30 minutes can just go answering just one point, to be read by 2 people. Is that a good
thing or a foolish thing?
with too little benefit. Maybe the focus we have is in the wrong place, and we waste too
much of our lives on things that are not significant.
I know 30 minutes can just go answering just one point, to be read by 2 people. Is that a good
thing or a foolish thing?
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That's the whole point gb9.
Why should I get any push-back?
If I post scripture that supports my position...why is it not accepted?
It's not ME doing the speaking...it's the N.T. doing the speaking.
I'm not mad at persons that don't agree with me...I just answer them and post verses.
One does become defensive when feeling attacked...which I have many times.
Of course you're forgiven for making feel badly at times...if I couldn't take it I wouldn't be here...
on the other hand it's not very appreciated, to say the least.
Now, I'll repeat again for those who refuse to read a whole post I wrote on this...
Our salvation is free, no cost.
Keeping our salvation is costly...or maintaining it as you've stated.
Now...if we agree that good deeds are necessary after salvation in order to follow Jesus BECAUSE we're saved....where exactly is the discord? Those that are not saved DON'T CARE about following Jesus.
So we're talking here about saved persons.
Should we go around being mean to people?
Would that be a sign of salvaation? No.
Should we not care if our neighbor is dying of hunger?
Would that be a sign of salvation? No.
So what's the problem is saying we must love ourselves and our neighbor?
Love brings action.
Jesus clearly says this in Mathew 25,,,and also James in James 2.
I believe that if we want to call ourselves Christian...we are to act like Christians...
Otherwise it means we're Christian in name only and this will not get us to be with God.
Why should I get any push-back?
If I post scripture that supports my position...why is it not accepted?
It's not ME doing the speaking...it's the N.T. doing the speaking.
I'm not mad at persons that don't agree with me...I just answer them and post verses.
One does become defensive when feeling attacked...which I have many times.
Of course you're forgiven for making feel badly at times...if I couldn't take it I wouldn't be here...
on the other hand it's not very appreciated, to say the least.
Now, I'll repeat again for those who refuse to read a whole post I wrote on this...
Our salvation is free, no cost.
Keeping our salvation is costly...or maintaining it as you've stated.
Now...if we agree that good deeds are necessary after salvation in order to follow Jesus BECAUSE we're saved....where exactly is the discord? Those that are not saved DON'T CARE about following Jesus.
So we're talking here about saved persons.
Should we go around being mean to people?
Would that be a sign of salvaation? No.
Should we not care if our neighbor is dying of hunger?
Would that be a sign of salvation? No.
So what's the problem is saying we must love ourselves and our neighbor?
Love brings action.
Jesus clearly says this in Mathew 25,,,and also James in James 2.
I believe that if we want to call ourselves Christian...we are to act like Christians...
Otherwise it means we're Christian in name only and this will not get us to be with God.
Right.
This is why there are 40,000 "denominations".
Which is a disgrace to the Protestant religion.
Yes. Religion. Because what you've stated above...being together with those of like mind...
IS A RELIGION...it is NOT FAITH.
Faith looks BEYOND religion and you're obviously not doing that.
Why can WE TWO not walk in unity?
What's holding you back?
This is why there are 40,000 "denominations".
Which is a disgrace to the Protestant religion.
Yes. Religion. Because what you've stated above...being together with those of like mind...
IS A RELIGION...it is NOT FAITH.
Faith looks BEYOND religion and you're obviously not doing that.
Why can WE TWO not walk in unity?
What's holding you back?
You preach works maintain salvation. I have no idea whether you are a sister or not. But, how I see life in the body is that we all are members of Him. Only He Jesus is the head. If we all thought His thoughts?
How I see the body is Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles. Each feast represents a place in Him where we reside.
How I see the body is Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles. Each feast represents a place in Him where we reside.
My friend in Christ, I am putting a question and an observation.
I am not saying you actually said this, I am asking is this another implication
of your observation.
If you think of me as being friendly, helpful and encouraging, you will get my meaning.
If you think of me as trying to do something else, you miss who I am and how I work.
I sincerely only mean a blessing and encouragement. And I notice not enough praise and
thanks rises from His people here, when this is our life blood in the vine.
Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice!
Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near.
Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.
Phil 4:4-6
Sometimes I feel like I am not with believers, but sad defeated individuals hoping for some
agreement against the wild unfair world out there.
I am not saying you actually said this, I am asking is this another implication
of your observation.
If you think of me as being friendly, helpful and encouraging, you will get my meaning.
If you think of me as trying to do something else, you miss who I am and how I work.
I sincerely only mean a blessing and encouragement. And I notice not enough praise and
thanks rises from His people here, when this is our life blood in the vine.
Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice!
Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near.
Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.
Phil 4:4-6
Sometimes I feel like I am not with believers, but sad defeated individuals hoping for some
agreement against the wild unfair world out there.
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So let me understand since I don't know you.
Think of what you believe (which I don't know)...
So....
those that believe in tongues are not your brethren...
those that believe in transubstantiation are not your brethren.....
those that believe in works salvation (not what I believe) are not your brethren....
those that believe in open theism........."
those that believe in confession........"
those that believe in W of F.............."
those that believe in annihilation........."
etc
etc
etc
Wow Stone. You don't have many brethren, do you?
AND how do you know YOU'RE the right one??
Think of what you believe (which I don't know)...
So....
those that believe in tongues are not your brethren...
those that believe in transubstantiation are not your brethren.....
those that believe in works salvation (not what I believe) are not your brethren....
those that believe in open theism........."
those that believe in confession........"
those that believe in W of F.............."
those that believe in annihilation........."
etc
etc
etc
Wow Stone. You don't have many brethren, do you?
AND how do you know YOU'RE the right one??
Ive done it.
Who cares who the person is.
Pay attention to what he's saying instead.
What has he said that is wrong?
If he didn't understand, correct him, instead of going back and forth...
I remember Peter Jens....I miss him.
I miss all MY BRETHREN,,,even you.
That's why I come back every now and then.
You should expand your horizon. Jesus would be happy.
John 13:35
Who cares who the person is.
Pay attention to what he's saying instead.
What has he said that is wrong?
If he didn't understand, correct him, instead of going back and forth...
I remember Peter Jens....I miss him.
I miss all MY BRETHREN,,,even you.
That's why I come back every now and then.
You should expand your horizon. Jesus would be happy.
John 13:35