Not By Works

The reason the devil cant enter into a believer is because the one who is in believers is stronger than he thats in the world!

Nice try....the key is the GIFTS and CALL of God...not CALLINGS.....and JUDAS was CALLED to fulfill scripture......good twist, but no cigar....I fully expect you to twist this as well.....like you do on almost every other truth........Here let me spell it out

JUDAS was CALLED to FULFILL SCRIPTURE...THIS particularly POINTED call was IRREVOCABLE....JUDAS was going to be the ONE to SELL out JESUS......NO OTHER man in HISTORY could be that MAN.......and are you too dense and dishonest to acknowledge he was called both LOST and A DEVIL in present TENSE.......more dishonesty and lack of integrity on your part....

Do me a favor....if you cannot be honest and show some scriptural integrity DO NOT address me.........simple as!!!!!

keep in mind folks-

while this makes sense, fran thinks " believe " means " obey ", so thereby making salvation a self-effort.

this is why it is good to ignore even sensible things if the person has hidden motives.

They can study till the cows come home and the chickens roost and will not get it or in honesty acknowledge it...............Imagine ALL the people that have been led astray by their dogma and teaching.......

He did not start out as a thief. He was tempted to steal just like you and I are tempted.

Was Judas not called of God?

And he goeth up into a mountain, and calleth unto him whom he would: and they came unto him. And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,
Mark 3:13‭-‬14 KJV

She thinks alot, then again shencant agree with herself she says one thing one post then comtradicts it in another post, and when people bring it up she just ignores it

Needless to,say i think she has alterior motives.

Paul tried tofight it, if they will not listen to him, why do we think they will listen to us?

Amen brother!

If only we could start using correct language, I do believe there would be less arguing.
I wrote a post on it that you probably missed.
It's no. 86,226

It's in my own words.
OSAS is not biblically correct.
Eternal Salvation is. ( I think what you and I believe)
And Pres. of the Saints is a whole different topic.

It IS conditional EG.
Look at these verses...how do YOU explain them away?
(there are many, many more BTW, which I will post if you ask.....
and if it would do any good for anyone.

Those who believe need no proof...
And to those who do NOT believe any amount of proof is useless....


“… only we who believe can enter His rest … but those who first heard this good news
failed to enter because they disobeyed God.” (Hebrews 4:3, 7)
Disobedience proves Unbelief --- Unbelief causes Disobedience

“And to whom was God speaking when he took an oath that they would never enter His rest?
Wasn’t it the people who disobeyed him? So we see that because of their unbelief
they were not able to enter his rest … so we ought to tremble with fear that some of
you might fail to experience it … IF we disobey God … we will fall.” (Hebrews 3:18 - 4:11)

“… make sure that your own hearts are not evil and unbelieving,
turning you away from the living God …
so that none of you will be deceived by sin
and hardened against God.” (Hebrews 3:12)
If we are deceived by sin (especially habitual sin), this can result in
departing from God with “an evil heart of unbelief” (Hebrews 3:12, NKJV).

“Do you not know that
if you present yourselves to anyone as as obedient slaves,
you are slaves of the one whom you obey,
either (slaves) of sin which leads to (eternal) death,
OR (slaves) of obedience leading too righteousness?” (Romans 6:16)
Slaves of obedience > eternal life --- Slaves of sin > eternal death


“Afterward they will receive the crown of life
that God has promised to those who love Him.” (James 1:12)
The “crown of life” means eternal life.

“You are truly my disciples, if you remain faithful to my teachings
… anyone who obeys my teachings will never die!” (John 8:31, 51)

“Therefore, go and make disciples … Teach these new disciples to
obey all the commands I have given you.” (Matthew 28:19-20)

“We capture their rebellious thoughts and teach them to obey Christ.” (2 Cor. 10:5)

“To all who are victorious (overcomers) who obey Me to the very end,
to them I will give authority over all the nations.” (Revelation 2:26)

The church: “all who keep God’s commandments and
maintain their testimony for Jesus.” (Revelation 12:17)

“So, you must live as God’s obedient children.” (1 Peter 1:14)


“If you love Me, obey My commandments.” (John 14:15)

“Those who accept My commandments and obey them are
the ones who love Me … All who love Me will do what I say.
Anyone who doesn’t love Me will not obey Me.” (John 14:21-24)

“When you obey My commandments, you remain in My love” (John 15:10)

“You are My friends, if you do what I command.” (John 15:14)

“We can be sure we know Him, if we obey His commandments” (1 John 2:3)

“He who keeps His commandments abides in Him and He in him” (1 John 3:24)

“If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love” (1 John 3:24)

“Loving God means keeping His commandments” (1 John 5:3)

“Love means doing what God has commanded us” (2 John 6)

You will not bear false witness against your neighbor.

YOU (and others) do this a lot.

STOP SAYING THAT!

You DO NOT believe in eternal security. You believe in CONDITIONAL security! You believe you have to maintain it by your own works and/or believing!

Eternal security is what I believe. I believe that eternal life is everlasting, and i got the greek on my side on this one! Once you place your faith in Jesus Christ(alone), you are justified in the eyes of God. Then God works in you and justifies you, the Holy Spirit brings forth fruit in due time, sometimes more sometimes less....

IF YOU CAN LOSE ETERNAL LIFE, IT WAS NOT ETERNAL! This is a simple point, but i feel its overlooked in this discussion forum! If I tell you this is enough oil to last a lifetime, then it stops next week, I LIED to you!

I see us all as people discussing gods word, some really interested to learn, so e only interested in getting everyonee tomsee it there way
But if your going to lie and slander others to support uour own case, then we have issues. Done you agree?

Maybe you could read my post no. 86,226 AGAIN UNTIL YOU understand it?

Eternal Security IS CONDITIONAL. But Jesus said His commandments are not burdensome.
Are they burdensome to you?

Maybe we could start using correct language around here.

Good morning


Was the call of God on the life of Judas to be one of the first ordained apostles


Was the call of God on the life of Judas to be one of the first ordained apostles and preacher of the Gospel REVOKED????

Not trying to be mean or facetious but from previous posts it looked like you all stood in solidarity that the call of God was IRREVOCABLE???

Why are you so mean to me?

If it makes sense,,,why won't you accept it?

Maybe some of the greek experts here could advise you on the fact that BELIEVE DOES mean to OBEY.

I'm not going to post anymore on this right now...
Look it up for yourself...don't you want to know the truth?

Check out what the bible says on believing and obeying....
IF one believes....one obeys. They're intertwined.
John 3:36 look it up and study it.

Also, unbelief is associated with disobey in the Greek language.
Please study that too, but only if you're interested in THE truth and not YOUR truth.
Why do some go to the greek when it suits them...but no always? Interesting question that deserves a reply. I accept all the Greek.
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Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
disobedience, unbelief.
From apeithes; disbelief (obstinate and rebellious) -- disobedience, unbelief.

see GREEK apeithes
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UNBELIEF

un-be-lef':

The word (the King James Version) represents two Greek words, apeitheia, "disobedience" (only in Romans 11:30,32; Hebrews 4:6,11), and apistia, "distrust," the antithesis to "faith". (which see). The two words are not only akin etymologically but run into one another by mental connection, certainly where spiritual relations are concerned, as between man and God. For when God has spoken, in precept and yet more in promise, distrust involves, at least potentially, an element of disobedience. His supreme claim is to be trusted to command only what is right, and to promise only what is true. He is infinitely sympathetic in His insight, and infallibly knows where distrust comes only of the dim perceptions and weak mis-givings of our mortal nature, and where, on the other hand, a moral resistance lies at the back of the non-confidence. But the presence of that darker element is always to be suspected, at least, and searched for in serious self-examination.

We may remark that it is a loss in our language that "unbelief" is the only word we can use as the antithesis to "faith"; for "faith" and "belief" (which see) are not exactly synonyms. "Unfaith" would be a welcome word for such use, if it were generally so understood.

Handley Dunelm
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Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: View Entry
TDNT Reference: 6:11,818
KJV Translation Count — Total: 7x
The KJV translates Strong's G543 in the following manner: unbelief (4x), disobedient (3x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. obstinacy, obstinate opposition to the divine will

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
ἀπείθεια apeítheia, ap-i'-thi-ah; from G545; disbelief (obstinate and rebellious):—disobedience, unbelief.
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The KJV translates Strong's G570 in the following manner: unbelief (12x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. unfaithfulness, faithless
2. want of faith, unbelief
3. weakness of faith

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
ἀπιστία apistía, ap-is-tee'-ah; from G571; faithlessness, i.e. (negatively) disbelief (lack of Christian faith), or (positively) unfaithfulness (disobedience):—unbelief.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon [?](Jump to Scripture Index)
STRONGS NT 570: ἀπιστία
ἀπιστία, -ας, ἡ, (from ἄπιστος), want of faith and trust;
1. unfaithfulness, faithlessness (of persons betraying a trust): Romans 3:3 [cf. references under the word ἀπιστέω, 1].
2. want of faith, unbelief: shown in withholding belief in the divine power, Mark 16:14, or in the power and promises of God, Romans 4:20; Hebrews 3:19; in the divine mission of Jesus, Matthew 13:58; Mark 6:6; by opposition to the gospel, 1 Timothy 1:13; with the added notion of obstinacy, Romans 11:20, 23; Hebrews 3:12. contextually, weakness of faith: Matthew 17:20 (where L T Tr WH ὀλιγοπιστίαν); Mark 9:24. (In Greek writings from Hesiod and Herodotus down.)
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PART 1 OF 2

Why don't you put your mouth where your money is and answer the following verses?

Thats not the doctrine of eternal security! Thats conditional security! Thats one of the tenets of arminianism! The final point! You should know that since you said you were a catholic.

Even if you live WELL you still wont make it to heaven without purgatory! Go follow the Pope on twitter now to reduce your time in purgatory!

That doctrinal untruth has been around long before arminian.

I read mark 3, i do nothing t see the word apostle anywhwre,

What i see is he sent 12 disciples,

They were apostles in training, judas never made it to the final exam, he bailed.


I was born betraying jesus as were you as was judas,

I repented, ate the food which endures to eternal life, and now follow him (not perfectly)

How about you? Have you eaten that food? Did judas?


Many are called few are chosen
Rom 8: says those who he called he justified, and will glorify, was judas justified (did he eat the bread) and will judas be glorified.

I think mailmandan answered your question quite well i can not add to what he said, and john 6 once again wouod be your savior, but you fail to understand it

Plus as i said earlier, he was called for one purpose, to fulfill prophesy so yes i did answer you, once again, you lied