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On a completely different note....I have been watching the dog and pony show today with the House Judiciary Committee.....and all I can say is....with these fools in charge....the U.S. is about done........and I can honestly say the Democrats are as much an enemy of this country as ISIS....................you can see the hate, evil, wickedness on their faces and they absolutely will not let the man answer and are twisting is as far as it can be twisted..........the founding fathers would be rolling over in their graves if it were possible......

ANYWAY....back to the regularly scheduled program...
 
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Battle of the dimwits. EU politicians vs US politicians

PoliTRICKS are a shady game!

They wont ever answer questions straight, talk a lot but dont say a thing.

I can imagine it must be a hard thing for you to watch it play out as someone who has served in the US military! You put in work and now you are watching the country you love and worked for destroyed from the inside out

Me personally, gypsies (OR Roma people, Kale, whatever you want to say) have always been LOOKED DOWN UPON, persecuted and disrespected in this country, so I couldnt care less! Iow not that patriotic lol
 
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Hevosmies said:
Battle of the dimwits. EU politicians vs US politicians

PoliTRICKS are a shady game!

They wont ever answer questions straight, talk a lot but dont say a thing.

I can imagine it must be a hard thing for you to watch it play out as someone who has served in the US military! You put in work and now you are watching the country you love and worked for destroyed from the inside out

Me personally, gypsies (OR Roma people, Kale, whatever you want to say) have always been LOOKED DOWN UPON, persecuted and disrespected in this country, so I couldnt care less! Iow not that patriotic lol
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Ohhhh let me tell you that as a Marine....I would be jailed because I would lose it.........these new Democrat House members are nothing but snakes.......and let me tell you they are so full of pride and arrogance............

Politics <---many blood sucking tics.......
 
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dcontroversal said:
I know......love casts out all fear......we are to reverence God like a Father and our Father will light us up if we continually walk in a manner of disobedience......after a period of time where love, mercy and conviction is leveled against us.....and even when he whips us he tempers it with love and compassion.....
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Amen and Praise God from whom ALL blessings flow.
 
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dcontroversal said:
No, what is sad is one who twists the word to say something it does not say...........

Paul said it was by GRACE not the GIFT of works.....get your facts straight.......and the reason the churches and people are so screwed up is because of the embellished and twisted crap that gets taught and proclaimed as truth from those twisting the word.....SHOW us all where the verse you cite even begins to indicate that works are a gift from GOD

English Standard Version
But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me.

Berean Study Bible
But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace to me was not in vain. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.

Berean Literal Bible
But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me has not been void. Rather, I toiled more abundantly than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.

New American Standard Bible
But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me.

King James Bible
But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
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What is the definition of Grace, Maestro? How is receiving apostleship by grace different than receiving the work of an apostle as a gift? And by the way, I already did apologize for misunderstanding you and thinking you asked for scripture on faith as a gift. Misunderstanding someone is not the same as a false accusation, unless you have a chip on your shoulder.

I wasn't the only one who thought I saw the post as saying "gift of faith". Someone else answered the same question along the same tenor.
 
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dcontroversal said:
He turned works into a gift from God above and ties it in with faith....a new subtle attempt to say something the bible does not say............
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Isn't every good thing a gift of God?

OH, and don't forget, that Jesus said WITHOUT ME YOU CAN DO NOTHING.

If faith is a gift, and works are a byproduct of faith, then works are a gift too. Just as if I gave you an orange tree, both the tree and the oranges produced would be part of the gift.

God works in us to will and to do of His good pleasure. Is this not a gifting?

We are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus unto good works,which God before ordained that we should walk in them
 
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Isn't every good thing a gift of God? Maybe we get good things from somewhere else? That's a new one for me.

OH, and don't forget, that Jesus said WITHOUT ME YOU CAN DO NOTHING.

And in our flesh there dwells no good thing. So the ability and privelidge of doing good works to glorify God is a gift of grace.

If faith is a gift, and works are a byproduct of faith, then works are a gift too. Just as an orange tree, both the tree and the oranges produced are one.

God works in us to will and to do of His good pleasure. Is this not a gifting?

We are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus unto good works,which God before ordained that we should walk in them

Wouldn't you say that being a chosen vessel unto God is a gift of grace?

I feel like God choosing me to serve Him as a gift of grace.

I guess God must be really blessed to have you and Budman on His team.
 
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How is receiving apostleship by grace different than receiving apostleship as a gift for Paul? Let me know.

And if being a chosen vessel for God's use is not a gift, how much did we pay for or how did we earn such an honor?

It certainly is an honor and a privelidge to be chosen by God to bear His name and to testify of Him, and we certainly did not pay for it or earn it in some way. It was freely given. Oh...like a gift. Wow, look how simple that is.

You guys are a mess.
 
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Macabeus said:
Isn't every good thing a gift of God?

OH, and don't forget, that Jesus said WITHOUT ME YOU CAN DO NOTHING.

If faith is a gift, and works are a byproduct of faith, then works are a gift too. Just as if I gave you an orange tree, both the tree and the oranges produced would be part of the gift.

God works in us to will and to do of His good pleasure. Is this not a gifting?

We are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus unto good works,which God before ordained that we should walk in them
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Hi Macabeus, we are saved by grace through faith, "it is the 'gift' of God", Jesus said "I give them 'eternal life', it is a gift as well. So where is the conflict and what is the sense of continuing to say the same thing over and over. If you and decon agree that our eternal salvation is "Not By Works", then please just move on.

To argue for the sake of arguing is point less, then it only become who win's and the truth gets lost in the argument.

Ephesians2:8
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--
 
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TruthTalk said:
Hi Macabeus, we are saved by grace through faith, "it is the 'gift' of God", Jesus said "I give them 'eternal life', it is a gift as well. So where is the conflict and what is the sense of continuing to say the same thing over and over. If you and decon agree that our eternal salvation is "Not By Works", then please just move on.

To argue for the sake of arguing is point less, then it only become who win's and the truth gets lost in the argument.

Ephesians2:8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--
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This assumes we are arguing over truth....we are not...I am disagreeing with his earlier statement that works are a gift from GOD and his accusation that I did not know that faith was a gift from God..........

Works are the result of the faith and salvation we already possess as gifts..........
 
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dcontroversal said:
This assumes we are arguing over truth....we are not...I am disagreeing with his earlier statement that works are a gift from GOD and his accusation that I did not know that faith was a gift from God..........

Works are the result of the faith and salvation we already possess as gifts..........
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Okay I can see that now and I am also in disagreement with works are a gift, and the bible does not support his fallacious argument. His faulty interpretation has obviously brought him to a false conclusion.

Excuse me for my intrusion and I do not see his need for name calling.
 
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TruthTalk said:
Okay I can see that now and I am also in disagreement with works are a gift, and the bible does not support his fallacious argument. His faulty interpretation has obviously brought him to a false conclusion.

Excuse me for my intrusion and I do not see his need for name calling.
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No problem bro....keep swinging and I always appreciate your input migo.......
 
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Quote: "When someone’s arguments take the form of personal attacks and name-calling it’s a pretty clear admission that they don’t have anything valid or worthwhile to say."

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God’s Righteous Judgment

You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you toward repentance? But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will give to each person according to what he has done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.

...So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. Matthew 23:3
 
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TruthTalk said:
Who wants to discuss the bible with someone with an attitude like yours, like I said whats your point.

Your insults are uncalled for and frankly nobody cares.
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Did you read all the things he said about me? I'm a liar, a false accuser, because I erred and misunderstood something he said, etc

is making a mistake and admitting it lying? Calling me a liar is also name-calling. And calling names makes you a mess
 
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