Not By Works
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Well......when viewing the Psalms, David suffered physical ailments and disease, the sword in his house, the loss of children and God yanks financial blessings to boot....and has even taken lives like the Corinthian brothers that "fell asleep" for their corruption of the Lord's supper...there is no set gambit per se.....like the children of Israel were made to wander in the wilderness with no real rest in this life....one struggle after another......In my own life he took almost everything I put stock in, yanked financial blessings and I wandered for numerous years with little rest and peace.........one thing I believe we can know for sure...that God's hand is upon us and we are being chastened for our own disobedience.......I also believe the whipping comes when we finally acknowledge our sin and then reap the reward....and for sure God is long suffering and gives us time to repent and get right before he whips us........
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in simple terms , words have meaning, the meaning to the word gentile
gentile Dictionary result for gentile
/ˈdʒɛntʌɪl/
adjective
he says:
“It is too small a thing for you to be my servant
to restore the tribes of Jacob
and bring back those of Israel I have kept.
I will also make you a light for the Gentiles,
that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”
acts 15, what law to give a gentile.
romans 8 v1 and 2,
8 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] free from the law of sin and death.
by gods salvation we are free for condemnation from law and the fear of death.
the law given through the Torah
TorahDictionary result for Torah
/ˈtɔːrɑː,tɔːˈrɑː/
noun
singular proper noun: Torah
in simple terms by reading the torah , your have opened up and understanding of being condemned and condemnation by this law, and to die in no hope of saving your self.
for example
fear, rejection , being exposed to unworthness , being exposed to the word sin, bein condemned no hope of being saved from death. etc
in real terms the law is condemning you, for understanding what a sin is.
( answer and protection by the shield in the armour of god) given by believing in a saviour
8 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] free from the law of sin and death.
the fact that you understand , a definition to what a sin is, by reading words, yet cannot understand what power or force is condemn you,
goes to show there is something wrong in your understanding and you cannot see fully to gods understanding without the holy spirits, help to define what is condemning you and ware your understanding stops. and clicks in to gods protection etc
gentile Dictionary result for gentile
/ˈdʒɛntʌɪl/
adjective
- 1.
not Jewish.
"a predominantly Gentile audience" - 2.
ANTHROPOLOGY
relating to or indicating a nation or clan, especially a gens.
- 1.
a person who is not Jewish.
he says:
“It is too small a thing for you to be my servant
to restore the tribes of Jacob
and bring back those of Israel I have kept.
I will also make you a light for the Gentiles,
that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”
acts 15, what law to give a gentile.
romans 8 v1 and 2,
8 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] free from the law of sin and death.
by gods salvation we are free for condemnation from law and the fear of death.
the law given through the Torah
TorahDictionary result for Torah
/ˈtɔːrɑː,tɔːˈrɑː/
noun
singular proper noun: Torah
- (in Judaism) the law of God as revealed to Moses and recorded in the first five books of the Hebrew scriptures (the Pentateuch).
in simple terms by reading the torah , your have opened up and understanding of being condemned and condemnation by this law, and to die in no hope of saving your self.
for example
fear, rejection , being exposed to unworthness , being exposed to the word sin, bein condemned no hope of being saved from death. etc
in real terms the law is condemning you, for understanding what a sin is.
( answer and protection by the shield in the armour of god) given by believing in a saviour
8 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] free from the law of sin and death.
the fact that you understand , a definition to what a sin is, by reading words, yet cannot understand what power or force is condemn you,
goes to show there is something wrong in your understanding and you cannot see fully to gods understanding without the holy spirits, help to define what is condemning you and ware your understanding stops. and clicks in to gods protection etc
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You will not overcome the world and obtain a crown of life by a mental activity, I think you should know that also a mental activity could be without faith or faith without work.
I understand there is a salvation that applies to the whole world, that everyone will receive according to his works you don't have to believe for this. Believe is "Faith that works by Love." and Love is the Holy Spirit. I left arguing here and maybe should leave altogether. if you all stop replying I will not have a reason to be here. as for why believe involves Faith, "I believe Lord help my Unbelief." 'Whatever is not of Faith is sin." its because of sin that we have unbelief and that we have no Faith. Everything we have is a gift, according to obedience of Faith.
I understand there is a salvation that applies to the whole world, that everyone will receive according to his works you don't have to believe for this. Believe is "Faith that works by Love." and Love is the Holy Spirit. I left arguing here and maybe should leave altogether. if you all stop replying I will not have a reason to be here. as for why believe involves Faith, "I believe Lord help my Unbelief." 'Whatever is not of Faith is sin." its because of sin that we have unbelief and that we have no Faith. Everything we have is a gift, according to obedience of Faith.
the bigger picture is not all nations on earth , believe the same things, or have the same law of the land.
for example
the law given through the Torah ,
jesus was condemned by people in Judaism , by the torah law, and he said or implied to them , that law will condemn you , (people who use it wrongly in judgement of others)
42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. (acts 10)
for example
the law given through the Torah ,
jesus was condemned by people in Judaism , by the torah law, and he said or implied to them , that law will condemn you , (people who use it wrongly in judgement of others)
42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. (acts 10)
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Hi historyanswers, I appreciate your posting definitions of "gentile" and "Torah" and I agree that there is now, "No condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus", Romans 8:1
It appears that you agree with this thread, "Not By Works", that we have eternal salvation "by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and that, not of yourself, it is a gift of God, "not by works" Ephesians2:8-10.
I hope you enjoy your time here and God bless!
Ephesians 2:8
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God.
9) not by works, so that no one can boast.…
It appears that you agree with this thread, "Not By Works", that we have eternal salvation "by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and that, not of yourself, it is a gift of God, "not by works" Ephesians2:8-10.
I hope you enjoy your time here and God bless!
Ephesians 2:8
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God.
9) not by works, so that no one can boast.…
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I know......love casts out all fear......we are to reverence God like a Father and our Father will light us up if we continually walk in a manner of disobedience......after a period of time where love, mercy and conviction is leveled against us.....and even when he whips us he tempers it with love and compassion.....
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Salvation is a big pile of presents. Open one box, WOW, regeneration/Holy Spirit. Open another, WOW! Justification. Another, adoption papers! Thank you God! Fellowship with God! Another. Sanctification! I love it. Another, hope! On and on and on. Then another. Open the package. It contains the purpose of God for your life. The good works which God has chosen for us to walk in.
Good works are not a merit, they are one of the gifts included in our endowment.
So while you are only talking about one gift, which is wonderful, we are looking at the many facets of the diamond God has given us.
Please do not fault us for that
Good works are not a merit, they are one of the gifts included in our endowment.
So while you are only talking about one gift, which is wonderful, we are looking at the many facets of the diamond God has given us.
Please do not fault us for that
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I was in a bit of a rush earlier, so I responded briefly. I agree with you on all you said. I believe in justification by faith alone, and do not believe we can add anything to Christ’s work. I do not see works, repentance, sanctification, fruit bearing, or commandment keeping as parts we do to be saved. I see them ALL as gifts and graces of God. They are all facets on the multifaceted diamond in the ring God has given us
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