Not By Works

How will it show up?

can you get saved again though? Usually those who believe you can lose it, also teach you can gain it back. Which is the opposite of What Hebrews 6:4-6 and hebrews 10:26 says

So if we don't trust in the Lord 100% we can be lost!!!!!!

Wow. YOU are the pharisee!


HOW MUCH trust do we need to be saved!!!!!

So now we need the right amount of:
FAITH
WORKS
TRUST

Uffa.

EXACTLY!

Gosh D, please read carefully.

Jesus said NOT MY will
but YOUR WILL be done...exactly as I said...
Jesus HAD to die...it was the Father's will.

And, excuse me, but you DID leave out that Jesus opened the gates of heaven for access to all that were saved.

WHERE did saved persons go BEFORE Jesus died??
I even gave you the scripture.
Luke 16:19......
Mark 15:37-38

Perhaps someone else would like to look this up?

By works.
That's what he is conveying.
Works will be evident as a result of faith.

Pharisees trust in works for salvation and not 100% in Jesus Christ. Faith is belief, trust, reliance in Jesus Christ as the all sufficient means of our salvation. We need to trust 100% in Jesus Christ for salvation. We show our faith by our works, but we are not saved by works. All genuine believers are fruitful, but not all are equally. It’s not about do I have enough works it’s about am I trusting 100% in Jesus Christ alone for salvation.

Dcon,

I didn't ask you to again explain it and incorrectly at that.

Stop worrying about me and my religion.

I asked you to POST THE VERSE you were referring to because it DOES NOT CONTAIN THE WORD
"like is"......

IF you care to answer my question and not what YOU LIKE to answer...
please post what you were referring to in your post no. 81,899.

Here it is:

He said "LIKE A".....NOT "IS"...........and again....conflating ideas = false gospel...his address is a MERE belief in GOD...not saving faith!!

Wake up Fran to the truth and be set free from your legalism.....

Therefore, we conclude that a MAN is justified by FAITH without the deeds/works of the law.

Maybe study more......Christ chose to lay his life down......

"No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father."

It's incredible how you get likes for saying NOTHING.
Your gang must really love you because you make following Christ SO SIMPLE!!

Genesis 12: 4 says Abram OBEYED.
It DOES NOT say what you just posted.

Here it is:

Genesis 12:1-4
1Now the LORD said to Abram,
“Go forth from your country,
And from your relatives
And from your father’s house,
To the land which I will show you;
2And I will make you a great nation,
And I will bless you,
And make your name great;
And so you shall be a blessing;

3And I will bless those who bless you,
And the one who curses you I will curse.
And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”

4So Abram went forth as the LORD had spoken to him; and Lot went with him. Now Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran.

Please note that in verse 2 God says that He will bless Abram IF he does as God says...
[otherwise God won't be able to since Abram would hinder Him]

I did explain it and the implication is there....and he is speaking to a mere belief in GOD not saving faith......your religion blinds you Fran

Of course you can get it back.
God will never forsake you nor leave you.
Only YOU can leave GOD.

Does Jesus not look for the lost sheep?
Does the father of the Prodigal Son not take him back with open arms and a feast?

Hebrews 6:4-6 and Hebrews 10:26 are totally different.
If you want to get into it, I'm willing...
But please be really interested...I've gone through this before.

OK MMD.
What happened to Ephesians 2:10
You always leave that out.

Oh. I know.
We work because we're saved...
not to get saved.

Seems to me everyone on this thread is a saved person..
so if we could stop saying that redundant sentence maybe we could actually move forward.

So we work because we're saved and because we love God.

Nice.

So when the N.T. speaks about doing good works/deeds ---
it's just making a request....
Jesus and the writers are REQUESTING us to do Christianly good works/deeds?
Mathew 25
Jesus was REQUESTING us to feed the hungry and cloth the naked and visit the sick, etc.

Talk about Jesus being a weak God as @dcontroversal always tell me is the Jesus I believe in.

No. The Jesus YOU and he are talking about is a weak Jesus.
He doesn't even know how to DEMAND OBEDIENCE.


CEO's know how to demand obedience!
Jesus is not even THAT strong!!!

I did explain it and the implication is there....and he is speaking to a mere belief in GOD not saving faith......your religion blinds you Fran

Do you ever study theology?
I'm really doubting it.

What if Jesus chose NOT to lay down His life?

Did Mary have a choice to become the mother of Jesus?
What if she had told Gabriel no?
COULD she have told Gabriel no?

These are deep theological questions Dcon.
And it would be nice if you stopped telling me don't know enough.
I dont' agree with you, but never have told you you don't know enough.

Do you know about the Royal Law?
The Golden Rule?

I can't take this anymore.

So if we DON'T, it means we don't love Him.
We MUST do good works.
There's no choice.
This is what God wants from us.
To CONTINUE to be saved.

The problem is that you don't believe salvation can be lost.
So every other theological concept has to revolve around this.

If you'd accept the biblical fact that salvation can be lost...
everything else would fall into place.

I pretty much agree with the above.
But there's such a fine line...

Here's what I'm trusting on for my salvation:
JESUS
MY OBEDIENCE TO WHAT HE TAUGHT.

Maybe study more......Christ chose to lay his life down......

"No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father."

I don't really care to hear about what YOU think is implicitly there.

I KNEW what you said was wrong and asked you for the verse.

You cannot post it because you ADDED to it.

Exegesis: do not ADD to scripture.

Instead of the above reply which means nothing to me...
you SHOULD HAVE posted the verse...

but you can't
can you?

No. Because you Added to it.
That's a no no.

Using scripture out if context is a huge problem it seems.

Actually it is those who do not know by faith they are eternally secure that will be shocked, because like cramming for exams you will not be sure if you quite studied enough.

Jesus is the author and finisher of the work so I have no worries.

You must be as dense as lead Fran....sure it states what I just said....It is utterly amazing how dishonest you really are!

Abram believed God and it was put to his account for righteousness

Genesis 15:6

New International Version
Abram believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness.

New Living Translation
And Abram believed the LORD, and the LORD counted him as righteous because of his faith.

English Standard Version
And he believed the LORD, and he counted it to him as righteousness.

Berean Study Bible
Abram believed the LORD, and it was credited to him as righteousness.

New American Standard Bible
Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.

King James Bible
And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Christian Standard Bible
Abram believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness.

Contemporary English Version
Abram believed the LORD, so the LORD was pleased with him and accepted him.