Not By Works

God will give you the grace if you ask for it of good-will.

Hello again forum, I found this short article on how to recognize a "False Teacher." 2Peter2:1 says that there were "False Prophets" among the people just as there will be "False Teachers", among all of you, here and now and even on this wonderful Christian Forum.

I have a desire within me that says I to want to see everybody "Saved", don't you! I have never questioned as to why I have this desire inside to see everyone saved because I believe that God put that desire within me. Where I run into problems is that; I know God is not willing that "anyone should perish" but that all should come to repentance, but "ah ha", I know that not everyone will repent, and I truly understand that.

Sincerely I am hoping that by trying to understand those "False Teacher's" who oppose the "True Gospel" and who may never repent, I can be at peace inside with those who do not repent and maybe will never believe the gospel and be saved.

Quote: "Wherever God plants true Christians; the devil not far behind will plant; "a false gospel; preached by a false ministers; and producing false Christians."

You can read the entire article at this website: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/7-traits-of-false-teachers/
Seven Traits of a False Teacher

What you are describing is false belief. Faith does save a man. Don't think you understand what faith is friend. Praying for you....

If I need grace because i am doing those things, it means I am in sin doing those things.

if you need mercy it means you have sin, right? like it is nonsensical to receive forgiveness if there is no fault

if you need mercy it means you have sin, right? like it is nonsensical to receive forgiveness if there is no fault

You may be forgetting "sins of omission", I need any forgiveness available especially when it comes to senior moments and forgetfulness or is that redundant....

God bless!

Your preacher friend is pretty vague given the seriousness of the topic. He really "omitted" some very important Biblical facts about what the Scriptures teach about "False Preachers".

#1. Paul describes who these will be to a tee. the article didn't think his words were relevant enough to quote.

2 Cor. 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

This is important because false preachers will "come in Christ's Name" and claim they are led by Him.

He also "omitted" another important Biblical Fact and that is "MANY" will follow these ministers of righteousness.

Matt. 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

This would be the false religion led by those who disguises themselves as "ministers of righteousness". So the false preachers and those who follow him are "MANY". Your preacher friend omitted this important Biblical Fact as well.

One might think, "Why would "many" want to walk a path that leads to destruction"? But you see, those false teachers who lead these paths are not telling their followers "Come follow me on the path to destruction". They are declaring "Come follow us on the Path to eternal life". So these "many" believe they are saved, or on the path to life, but they are deceived. They call Jesus Lord, Lord, but they practice "Lawlessness", something an Apostle of Christ would never teach or do. As he said: "You will know them by their works".

In contrast the Path Jesus walked and promoted is not a "broad" path. It is narrow and difficult.

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

This truth is confirmed throughout the Bible. Noah (FEW) humbled himself to God, while "Many" created their own way.

Abraham (FEW) believed in God, while Sodom (Many) rejected Him.

Caleb (FEW) trusted in God, while the congregation of the Lord (many) did not.

Zechariahs (FEW) believed in and obeyed God, while the Mainstream preachers of his time, Pharisees (MANY) created their own way.

It will be the same for us today. There will be a "broad" Path, with "MANY" who call Him Lord, Lord, led by preachers who claim to be "apostles of Christ" and ministers of righteousness who declare "Come follow us on the Path to eternal life". This religion will be a great religion which all the nations of the earth will do business with.

Rev. 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

Todays religions have created High Days, like Christmas, which is revered by billions of folks world wide. Just in America folks will spend over 1 billion dollars in Christmas trees alone. Almost double that in decorations. World wide the number is staggering. And it's done every year.

But The Feasts of the Christ, like His Sabbath that He created for man, His Feasts which show His Salvation plan, get no mention. Very little attention, especially in America. I find this extraordinary.

That man, who come in Christ's Name, can create a High Day, place it on ancient pagan holy day, place Christ's name on it and it becomes the greatest religious high Day on the planet.

But Jesus, the Word of God which became Flesh, can create Sabbaths and feast days which show His Salvation plan, starting with Passover, and He is rejected and ignored by the very same folks.

I guess there isn't much money to be made on the Christ's Holy Days, so man just created their own.

I think we should stop "living by" all these "other" religious voices and start "living by" the Word of God as Jesus instructed.

He agrees.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Sadly, I know all to well about this..lol Senior moments are getting frequent!!

Just to answer this directly, most believe (not saying you) that since works (bad or good) have no bearing on your salvation, LOGICALLY one can sin as much as one wants, be as worldly as one wants, or refuse to be led by the Holy Spirit and remain saved. I ask one simple question: Can a person who has accepted Jesus Christ sin as much as they want and remain saved? Most answer YES; this is true. But if you say no, then you reaffirm the nature of true faith; that it is not some abstract intellectual belief but a faith that results in love, obedience, and works. This is the logical fallacy that those who don't consider ALL of scripture come to. Can even copy an examples..... PS You may want to look up George Sodini's diary entries.

Be faithful to keep salvation. There are plenty of passages that tell about losing your faith either directly or indirectly.

Just to answer this directly, most believe (not saying you) that since works (bad or good) have no bearing on your salvation, LOGICALLY one can sin as much as one wants, be as worldly as one wants, or refuse to be led by the Holy Spirit and remain saved. I ask one simple question: Can a person who has accepted Jesus Christ sin as much as they want and remain saved? Most answer YES; this is true. But if you say no, then you reaffirm the nature of true faith; that it is not some abstract intellectual belief but a faith that results in love, obedience, and works. This is the logical fallacy that those who don't consider ALL of scripture come to. Can even copy an examples..... PS You may want to look up George Sodini's diary entries.

Be faithful to keep salvation. There are plenty of passages that tell about losing your faith either directly or indirectly.

Good morning all...This is the day the LORD has made , let us rejoice and be glad in it...

That's not what I asked you.

I asked if you still sin every day.

Do you?

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Abraham was given instruction from God and obeyed. Adam was given instruction by God and rejected it. Adam was cursed, Abraham was Blessed. Adam failed because he didn't believe in the Word's of God. Abraham had victory because he believed in the Word's of God. Why would you omit these truths from your religion.



Abel offed his works as well. His works were "righteous" while Cain's were not. Abel's "works" were accepted, Cain's were not. Why would you "omit" this part in your sermon?



The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time did not "Adhere" to the Commandments of God. You preach they did, the Pope preaches they did, "many" Ministers of Righteousness" in the religions of the land preach they did. But if you listen to Jesus and EVERY WORD He spoke regarding them, and if you listen to the Word of God, and the Prophesies therein, you will find that the Pharisees did not "Adhere" to God's Commandments, rather, they created their own religion and "omitted" much of God's Word. They claimed to be God's Children, they claimed to further His Laws, but Jesus very clearly said and demonstrated over and over that they didn't. Why would you "omit" this truth from your preaching?

So your assertion that they "believed in their own works and traditions" is true. But your preaching that they adhered to God's Commandments is a lie. Zechariahs "adhered" to God's Commandments, the Pharisees did not. Abraham adhered to God's Commandments, the Pharisees did not. You might consider why Zechariahs and Abraham knew Jesus when He came, but the Pharisees didn't.



Faith, without Works attached, is dead faith and will not save you. That is God's preaching from Abel to Noah, from Abraham to Stephen. Man can either do the works God foreordained that we should walk in them, as He instructs, as EVERY example of Faith in the Bible did. Or they can create their own religious works as did Cain and the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time, the Pharisees did. The choice is there given by the Christ from the very beginning as it is written.

"It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe".

Not the preaching of falsehoods, not a religion which "omits" so much of God's Word. But "preaching" as the author of my Faith defines.

"Man shall "LIVE BY" EVERY Word which proceeds from the mouth of God"

Amen Rose....and right back at ya from sunny Australia hahaa....

That's not what I asked you.

I asked if you still sin every day.

Do you?

Good night brother lol...