Thief on the Cross
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Well, Jesus went somewhere for three days after death. Where did He go? He said the thief was going to be with Him THAT DAY. Here is Strong's definition of Paradise in Luke 23:43
- 1) among the Persians a grand enclosure or preserve, hunting ground, park, shady and well watered, in which wild animals, were kept for the hunt; it was enclosed by walls and furnished with towers for the hunters
2) a garden, pleasure ground
2a) grove, park
3) the part of Hades which was thought by the later Jews to be the abode of the souls of pious until the resurrection: but some understand this to be a heavenly paradise
4) the upper regions of the heavens. According to the early church Fathers, the paradise in which our first parents dwelt before the fall still exists, neither on the earth or in the heavens, but above and beyond the world
5) heaven
8 Therefore He says:
“When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.”
9 (Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also [d]first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)
And...... 1 Peter 3:19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,
Jesus went to Hades, and the Thief went to the good part of it.
Just talking. Could be wrong about it though.
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Hello PennEd,
I agree except, I believe that Jesus also went to the place of comfort/paradise in Hades. And that because He said "today you will be with me in paradise. I also believe that it was those angels in tartartus that he visited to preach/announce His success. Because by their taking wives of human women, they attempted to corrupt His blood line. I believe that Jesus paid them a visit to announce their failure. That's just my thinking on it.
I agree except, I believe that Jesus also went to the place of comfort/paradise in Hades. And that because He said "today you will be with me in paradise. I also believe that it was those angels in tartartus that he visited to preach/announce His success. Because by their taking wives of human women, they attempted to corrupt His blood line. I believe that Jesus paid them a visit to announce their failure. That's just my thinking on it.
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Right! We often hear people speak and use the verse "But God looks on our hearts" as if that is so comforting.
Wait a minute here? You mean God, GOD the LORD of Scripture looks on our hearts, and we're like swollen with pure gladness over this? Lolzzzz. Sometimes we don't think deeply enough into that prospect. Hebrews 4:12 anyone? Jeremiah 17:9?
Just think about that, God looks on our hearts, he knows every thought. And then, it is our hearts from where the action of our lives come from. I'm aware that not all of the thoughts of my heart are pure, holy, right, just, good. Uh-oh!
Well, praise God for his mercy and grace, that's for certain!
Wait a minute here? You mean God, GOD the LORD of Scripture looks on our hearts, and we're like swollen with pure gladness over this? Lolzzzz. Sometimes we don't think deeply enough into that prospect. Hebrews 4:12 anyone? Jeremiah 17:9?
Just think about that, God looks on our hearts, he knows every thought. And then, it is our hearts from where the action of our lives come from. I'm aware that not all of the thoughts of my heart are pure, holy, right, just, good. Uh-oh!
Well, praise God for his mercy and grace, that's for certain!
I find that the Lord, looking to the heart for judgment as comforting because it contains the promise of being fair and not based upon the outward appearance.
Maranatha!
The moment Christ said "IT IS FINISHED" from the Cross, having poured out His blood of the New Covenant. This was confirmed by God the Father through the supernatural tearing of the temple veil from top to bottom.
Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice [IT IS FINISHED], yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent... (Mt 27:50,51)
The Holy Place and the Holy of Holies (the Holiest Place) were the most significant aspects of the Old Covenant. The veil (or curtain) separating them was critical for maintaining the integrity of the Old Covenant. But once that veil was torn, God was telling Israel "It is finished", just as Christ was telling the world "It is finished". And there is much more to that declaration than simply this aspect.
As to the thief on the cross, he was justified by grace through faith, like every other saint. Baptism does not justify, but confirms that one is justified (if conversion is genuine). For him, baptism was not an option, and indeed Christian baptism could not begin until the Day of Pentecost (50 days later) and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice [IT IS FINISHED], yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent... (Mt 27:50,51)
The Holy Place and the Holy of Holies (the Holiest Place) were the most significant aspects of the Old Covenant. The veil (or curtain) separating them was critical for maintaining the integrity of the Old Covenant. But once that veil was torn, God was telling Israel "It is finished", just as Christ was telling the world "It is finished". And there is much more to that declaration than simply this aspect.
As to the thief on the cross, he was justified by grace through faith, like every other saint. Baptism does not justify, but confirms that one is justified (if conversion is genuine). For him, baptism was not an option, and indeed Christian baptism could not begin until the Day of Pentecost (50 days later) and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
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Although the text in the rich man and Lazarus account does mention fire, we have to be careful in translating Hades into Gehenna.
No one is yet in the lake of fire which is Gehenna, but the dead are in Hades until the final judgement.
Hades/Sheol, Tartarus, & Gehenna are usually all translated as Hell. But they are different places with different functions.
No one is yet in the lake of fire which is Gehenna, but the dead are in Hades until the final judgement.
Hades/Sheol, Tartarus, & Gehenna are usually all translated as Hell. But they are different places with different functions.
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You mention the thief knew who Jesus was and having this faith saved him. Believing who Jesus is does not save a person according to the following scriptures:
Peter was the first to say he knew who Jesus was: "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. (Matt 16:16-17) Jesus later said: "Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren." Luke 22:31-32 Jesus implication is that a future event would occur that Peter would act upon and be converted.
"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble." James 2:19
Peter was the first to say he knew who Jesus was: "And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. (Matt 16:16-17) Jesus later said: "Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren." Luke 22:31-32 Jesus implication is that a future event would occur that Peter would act upon and be converted.
"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble." James 2:19
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This is Strong's "convert" from Luke 22:32
- 1) transitively
1a) to turn to
1a1) to the worship of the true God
1b) to cause to return, to bring back
1b1) to the love and obedience of God
1b2) to the love for the children
1b3) to love wisdom and righteousness
2) intransitively
2a) to turn to one's self
2b) to turn one's self about, turn back
2c) to return, turn back, come back
It is about a Sheep that has wandered, but he IS a Sheep!
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