Two posters say their opinion is from God, yet disagree. Now what?

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Dino246

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I'm going with the lesser of two weavils.
 

glf1

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What should readers conclude when two posters claim they got their position from God, yet they disagree?
1) One of the posters is right and the other is wrong? Which one?
2) Both of the posters are right? How can that be?
3) Both of the posters are wrong? Entirely possible.

I tend to go with number three.
But not having to do with what was said, but the fact that they said it.
If one claims to speak for God they are declaring themselves to be a prophet.
You better be 100 percent sure of what you are saying if you go there.
Sadly, error, which we all have, feels just the same as Spirit illuminated truth does. Even with the Spirit illuminating truth to those who are no longer babes that need a foundation of repentance from dead works so as to be weaned from the milk of the word and move on to the strong meat of revelation:
1 Cor 8: 2 "And if any man think that he knoweth anything, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know."
Remember:
2 Cor 10: 18 "For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth."

Here's a scary thought!
Jn 17: 3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
In eternity, we'll always be learning more and more of our infinite God and Creator; so that in New Jerusalem, among ourselves; we'll be able to share with each other the things that the Lord has revealed and discuss with each other how that matches up with our own doctrines and understandings. Thank the Lord that even though heaven and earth will pass away; the Lord's word will never pass away, but will be with us forever, abounding with treasures, both old and new.
: )
Maranatha!
At least, hopefully, we'll all have the same version!!! lol
 

Nehemiah6

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One of the posters is right and the other is wrong? Which one?
Simple enough.

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this Word, it is because there is no light in them. (Isa 8:20) ["Word" capitalized for clarity]
 

Sketch

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My cousin said something profound today, she said, I believe the truth is weaved. I like it even if the verb tense seems off. I think that verb tense is more appropriate for some reason
I like what you are saying there.
How would you apply that to the topic question?
 

Sketch

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See if any of them match up with scripture........the one that does is the true one. :)
Right. That's where we need to begin.
But oftentimes we see people lining up on both sides of an argument each claiming they have God's truth.
Then what?
 

Sketch

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Simple enough.

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this Word, it is because there is no light in them. (Isa 8:20) ["Word" capitalized for clarity]
Which is correct, the KJV or the NIV?

Isaiah 8:20
Consult God’s instruction and the testimony of warning. If anyone does not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.
 
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What should readers conclude when two posters claim they got their position from God, yet they disagree?
1) One of the posters is right and the other is wrong? Which one?
2) Both of the posters are right? How can that be?
3) Both of the posters are wrong? Entirely possible.

I tend to go with number three.
But not having to do with what was said, but the fact that they said it.
If one claims to speak for God they are declaring themselves to be a prophet.
You better be 100 percent sure of what you are saying if you go there.
It is not only them, for everybody that believes in God, and confesses Christ, concerning God's word, says that what they post, and believe is from God, for if they did not think it is coming from God they would not post it.

They are not going to post a post and say this is what I believe, but it is not from God.

Everybody posts what they think is from God, whether it is true or not.

But of course if they are both proclaiming something not in the Bible, but what they say God told them, and they disagree, then someone is wrong, or both wrong.

Sometimes I tend to think both are wrong, for many people like to give them the title of prophet to exalt themselves above the common saint, and say things that they say came from God, which sometimes what they say does not seem true, or they want to believe it is true that popped up in their head, but the flesh was really involved.

A good example of someone wanting to exalt himself above the common saint is a man called William Tapley, who says he is the third eagle, or angel, of the apocalypse, and co-prophet of the end times, and has 1061 videos to date, but his prophesies, and what he believes is crazy, and silly at times.

Anyone that says that about themselves God is not giving them any prophesy, and they will have crazy prophesies, and beliefs, for how can he make a claim that he is the third angel of the apocalypse.

That would seem like the devil could influence him for his arrogance of thinking he is something that he is not by saying that he is the third eagle, angel, of the apocalypse, and co-prophet of the end times, as if he is number two of the prophets on this planet.

I like Paul's attitude when he said that he is the least of the least of the saints, and the Bible says esteem others higher than yourself, and the Pharisees liked people to think they were great men of God to give glory to themselves, which Jesus said they have their reward, for they loved the praises of men more than the praises of God.

God resists the proud but gives grace unto the humble so let us not think we are greater than we are, for God said if you think you are something, when you are nothing, then you deceive yourself.

I like how God said it in the Old Testament that the nations are less than nothing to stress how we are nothing but mere physical matter that God could disassemble back to its original state, and it does not matter if the being is one trillion miles long it is child's play to reduce it from whence it came, broken down.

Who do we think we are that we would say I am great in the eyes of God above the common pew sitter, and lowly saint.

I played the same game back to William Tapley by saying I am the first eagle, angel, of the apocalypse, and the main prophet of the end times, and said that thou is wrong in your claim so respect what I am saying as your master above you, but he was not buying it, lol.

So I suppose we are both wrong so I also go with number 3 in this case.
 

Dino246

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Pride and fear.

If "we" disagree, and "I" am right, it necessarily means that "you" are wrong, and "I" will be happy to tell you so; or, "you" are right, and that necessarily means that "I" am wrong, and because "I" don't want to humble myself and admit that "I" may be wrong, "I" denigrate "your" understanding if not "you" personally.

Or, "I" am afraid of the implications of being wrong so "I" avoid considering the possibility and instead don't even give proper consideration to "your" position.

Or perhaps "I" believe that "God" really did reveal something to me and so "my" position must be right and cannot be wrong... because if it is wrong, then "I" didn't hear God at all and "my" faith can't handle that.
 

BenFTW

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Pride and fear.

If "we" disagree, and "I" am right, it necessarily means that "you" are wrong, and "I" will be happy to tell you so; or, "you" are right, and that necessarily means that "I" am wrong, and because "I" don't want to humble myself and admit that "I" may be wrong, "I" denigrate "your" understanding if not "you" personally.

Or, "I" am afraid of the implications of being wrong so "I" avoid considering the possibility and instead don't even give proper consideration to "your" position.

Or perhaps "I" believe that "God" really did reveal something to me and so "my" position must be right and cannot be wrong... because if it is wrong, then "I" didn't hear God at all and "my" faith can't handle that.
Now how will we hide behind our facades? Gosh Dino, ruining the mystery.
 

Nehemiah6

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Which is correct, the KJV or the NIV?
The NIV is INVARIABLY false, and the KJV is INVARIABLY true.

So here are the literal words from the Hebrew order:

לְתֹורָ֖ה וְלִתְעוּדָ֑ה אִם־לֹ֤א יֹֽאמְרוּ֙ כַּדָּבָ֣ר הַזֶּ֔ה אֲשֶׁ֥ר אֵֽין־לֹ֖ו שָֽׁחַר׃

TO THE LAW AND TO THE TESTIMONY. IF NOT THEY DO SPEAK ACCORDING TO WORD, THIS [IT IS] BECAUSE [THERE IS] NO IN THEM LIGHT.
 

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The NIV is INVARIABLY false, and the KJV is INVARIABLY true.

So here are the literal words from the Hebrew order:

לְתֹורָ֖ה וְלִתְעוּדָ֑ה אִם־לֹ֤א יֹֽאמְרוּ֙ כַּדָּבָ֣ר הַזֶּ֔ה אֲשֶׁ֥ר אֵֽין־לֹ֖ו שָֽׁחַר׃

TO THE LAW AND TO THE TESTIMONY. IF NOT THEY DO SPEAK ACCORDING TO WORD, THIS [IT IS] BECAUSE [THERE IS] NO IN THEM LIGHT.
Did God tell you that? lol
 

Dino246

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The NIV is INVARIABLY false, and the KJV is INVARIABLY true.
Bahahahahahaha! Now THAT is funny!

Now I wonder what happens to your ridiculous assertion when the KJV agrees with the NIV....
 
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Locoponydirtman

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I like what you are saying there.
How would you apply that to the topic question?
The idea is that God reveals truth to each of us and that in discussion and debate those truths come together for a complete picture.
 

Sketch

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The idea is that God reveals truth to each of us and that in discussion and debate those truths come together for a complete picture.
Yes, in a perfect world. But what is the reality?
 

marinerscatch

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There is a big difference in, I read the Bible and feel the Holy Spirit led me to view it this way (vs) My great great grand pappy, my great grand pappy, my grand pappy, and my pappy all believe this scripture means it this way. And that is good enough for me.

In a sense, we do get some understanding from God because the first idea that pops up we go into interpretation by revelation mode.

My goal is when something seems to appear I never noticed before in scripture, I begin asking God to make this become clearer to me and then I wait upon God to see if something else I notice that I had never noticed before. I have been asked to teach before and I always begin with this:

1. Need pen and paper
2. Every scripture reference I use you, copy it down
3. Jot a quick note based upon how I believe this passage of scripture is interpreted
4. Go home and read my scripture references and definitions and see if God gives you the same meaning
5. Do Not take my word as it is solid gold - challenge me by you actually doing some studying yourself.
6. If you believe there is something you can add based upon what God has revealed to you, SHARE IT WITH ME
7. I am a student learning God's Word the same as all of you
 

Endoscopy

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Don't you think that often is the case that there is some truth within most posts, or opinions, even if we don't agree with all of what anyone says, (with exception of Him, of couse)? I think this is a valid question, you bring forward, maybe because I have asked it before, quite often. I am an agreeable sort, teetering on the fence of peace and on the fence of too much of an open mind. I think when weighing and discerning balance plays an important role. With that said, we must always stand in His truth, but best make sure we are. I have often thought i was so spot on with regards to what He wants or what He is teaching me. But thanks be to Him, I realized I was mistaken. So we keep going back to the drawing board which is Him.

My sister says, pssst, you are being a ppl pleaser, and I say, hmmmm, you know there is truth in your perception, Sis, so I receive it. I will seek more to please Him than others. However, lol, I like to look at it differently. We are suppose to be peaceful and tender hearted, humble and teachable, but also alert, and bold in His truth, wise and discerning, resolute in His convictions and teachings. So I believe, thus far, lol, that when discerning right and wrong, we serve ourselves and others when we acknowledge the wrong, but focus on the right, seeing all oportunity to find edifying take aways, even in opposing views. Sometimes though, there is zero middle ground, sometimes as you said, all sides miss the mark. But if many sound minded, God fearing, ppl are wrong, we have to be open to our perceptions and opinions lacking spot on accuracy as well
The real issue is claiming the are getting a message from God!! At that point I ignore anything they say.
 

Sketch

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The real issue is claiming the are getting a message from God!! At that point I ignore anything they say.
Right. As soon as someone plays the "God" card to win an argument, something is majorly wrong.