Hardshell & Primitive Baptist "Conditional Time Salvation" Warning

It has become necessary to post this here since we have this false doctrine being peddled on CC of late. Believe it or not, I care about people and wish to help protect the flock from error! Please note and take time to read Acts 20:28-30 and other Scriptures provided.

Please do not be deceived by the "Conditional Time Salvation" heresy promoted and peddled by Primitive Baptists otherwise known as "Hardshells" or "Hardshell Baptists". They are merely seeking converts to their teaching while at the same time being anti-evangelistic. There has to be another outlet when one turns to such false teaching, and it extends itself in them trying to reach others with their false gospel and to make "converts."

Nearly every post will be about this heresy, they focus on this to poison the well and deceive others.

Understand who this is coming from, and realize that Hardshells or Primitive Baptists are against these things:

1) That preaching the Gospel is God's means to save his people with an eternal salvation in Christ; 1 Corinthian 1:18; Romans 1:16; Ephesians 1, 2 &c.

2) They are against missionary work.

3) They stand against contextual eternal salvation as revealed in the NT Scriptures.

These deny what they call "means salvation" (their terminology) and will ridicule others for their "Gospel means" preaching, in other words for believing Scripture that God uses this preaching to save his people, eternally. Note Romans 10:13-17 for example. So they would call others who believe this in Romans "Gospel means" preachers or "means preachers" and it is meant to be derogatory.

The logical conclusion of their teaching is hyper-Calvinism, and is totally anti-evangelistic, anti-missionary, anti-Gospel. The latter they will deny because they've truncated the Gospel into their meaning of "gospel," making it completely false; note Galatians 1:8-10. They will also deny they are in any fashion "Calvinistic" but only to avoid the fitting label of "hyper-Calvinism."

Please read these excerpts that explain this better than I can. I will provide a link at the end or further reading:

"Secrecy" of some sort is a characteristic of a cult. Christians have their "secrets" (Psa. 25:14; Prov. 3:32), but the distinctive secrets of the Hardshell cult are not the secrets of God or of His kingdom."

"Their primary "secret" revelation concerns the doctrine they call "Time Salvation." You have to be trained in Hardshell "dogma" to know all that the words convey. What the Hardshells believe the terminology, "Time Salvation," represents would never cross the average Bible reader's mind. You have to hear it from a Hardshell to be introduced to and informed in the meaning of its theological “jargon.”

"It is an integral part of the Hardshell DEFENSE and APOLOGETIC, for their "Spirit Alone" and "No-Means Regeneration" theories, to get their opponents or would be "converts" to inbibe <sic> all the teachings involved in this doctrine of "Time Salvation."

"It will become obvious to most who read this essay on Hardshellism, that these Hardshells, who have historically opposed any thing "new," i.e. "inventions," have themselves, ironically and hypocritically, introduced many new things under the Baptist and Christian name, at least in doctrine."

Read more here.

18-21 The Message that points to Christ on the Cross seems like sheer silliness to those hellbent on destruction, but for those on the way of salvation it makes perfect sense. This is the way God works, and most powerfully as it turns out. It’s written,

I’ll turn conventional wisdom on its head,
I’ll expose so-called experts as crackpots.

So where can you find someone truly wise, truly educated, truly intelligent in this day and age? Hasn’t God exposed it all as pretentious nonsense? Since the world in all its fancy wisdom never had a clue when it came to knowing God, God in his wisdom took delight in using what the world considered dumb—preaching, of all things!—to bring those who trust him into the way of salvation.(1 Corinthians 1)

16-17 It’s news I’m most proud to proclaim, this extraordinary Message of God’s powerful plan to rescue everyone who trusts him, starting with Jews and then right on to everyone else! God’s way of putting people right shows up in the acts of faith, confirming what Scripture has said all along: “The person in right standing before God by trusting him really lives.”(Romans 1)

13-14 It’s in Christ that you, once you heard the truth and believed it (this Message of your salvation), found yourselves home free—signed, sealed, and delivered by the Holy Spirit. This signet from God is the first installment on what’s coming, a reminder that we’ll get everything God has planned for us, a praising and glorious life.(Ephesians 1)


14-17 But how can people call for help if they don’t know who to trust? And how can they know who to trust if they haven’t heard of the One who can be trusted? And how can they hear if nobody tells them? And how is anyone going to tell them, unless someone is sent to do it? That’s why Scripture exclaims,

A sight to take your breath away!
Grand processions of people
telling all the good things of God!

But not everybody is ready for this, ready to see and hear and act. Isaiah asked what we all ask at one time or another: “Does anyone care, God? Is anyone listening and believing a word of it?” The point is: Before you trust, you have to listen. But unless Christ’s Word is preached, there’s nothing to listen to.(Romans 10)

Everyone saved has to hear the word.

Wow! You sure don't have a clue how to read the Bible! I suggest you read Gordon Fee's "How to read the Bible for all it's Worth!" He is a Greek scholar, but this book is simple enough for even you to read.

He goes through basic hermeneutics, genre and explains them using many Bible examples!

Oh wait! You don't read any books except the Bible, Left Behind leader guides and Schofield notes in your Bible, right?

Here's a clue! Read a wide range of books on eschatology, then draw your own conclusions. You may find you have been deceived by these Dispensationalists!

As for our culture being the worst? Guess again! How about all the emperor cults with no laws, and rape/pillage/burn being the standard? Like the Mongols, the Vikings, the Canaanites, Babylonian etc, etc. Maybe read something about history. Then read about biblical anthropology, and how we are all sinners, saved by grace. In fact, western culture is highly moral, compared to many pagan societies!

Going on vacation for a week, sure going to miss your funny assumptions.

It would be helpful if you would back up your statements with scripture and not someone else's interpretation.,

Going on vacation for a week. Sure going to miss your funny conclusions.

Unbiblical? How?

2 Peter 1:20-21 - Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scriptures is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old times by the will of man; but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. Of course you probably will not believe this because it came from the KJV. I am surprised that you did not know this, seeing you went to a preaching school.

Going on vacation for a week, sure going to miss your funny assumptions.

Wow! You sure don't have a clue how to read the Bible! I suggest you read Gordon Fee's "How to read the Bible for all it's Worth!" He is a Greek scholar, but this book is simple enough for even you to read.

He goes through basic hermeneutics, genre and explains them using many Bible examples!

Oh wait! You don't read any books except the Bible, Left Behind leader guides and Schofield notes in your Bible, right?

Here's a clue! Read a wide range of books on eschatology, then draw your own conclusions. You may find you have been deceived by these Dispensationalists!

As for our culture being the worst? Guess again! How about all the emperor cults with no laws, and rape/pillage/burn being the standard? Like the Mongols, the Vikings, the Canaanites, Babylonian etc, etc. Maybe read something about history. Then read about biblical anthropology, and how we are all sinners, saved by grace. In fact, western culture is highly moral, compared to many pagan societies!

I ask you why it is unbiblical and you ignored it.

Rev 22:18-19 - Was John inspired when he wrote these verses?

I ask you why it is unbiblical and you ignored it.

Rev 22:18-19 - Was John inspired when he wrote these verses?

Yes, which should serve as a harbinger to you when coupled with Galatians 1:8-10.

This flies in the face of Ephesians 4:11,12.

How can a person believe in Christ if they have never heard of who Christ is and what He has done?

Very strange to say you believe what the bible says and yet still have a theology that teaches against what Christ has Said.

Once again preacher has led his lock down the broad road.

Once again "preacher" has led his "flock" down the broad road.

Baptists are like Baskin-Robbins, there are about 31 flavors of them but they are all baptists who believe in the basics of Christianity. Some like old way, like foot washing, some prefer to be conservative and some have become quite liberal, like the American Baptist group. In 1832 there was a rash of unbibical teachings infiltrating the mainline churches, and this group of Baptists met at Black Rock Maryland to lay down some guidelines for themselves. They basically hold to the doctrines of grace with some diverting to the free will side of the aisle in the 20th century. To mock and savage the characters and faith of these people is nothing short of an attack by Satan on people of faith.

Generally speaking, groups that identify themselves as Primitive Baptists fit within the ranks of orthodox Christianity. As with most church groups, however, Primitive Baptists espouse a spectrum of beliefs that cannot be pinned down in one article. The word Primitive in their name refers to their desire to adhere to the original teachings and methods of the early church rather than the newer traditions that have accumulated over the years. The Primitive Baptists have also been called “Particular Baptists,” “Regular Baptists,” “Old School Baptists,” and “Hardshell Baptists,” though “Primitive” has become the preferred name in most cases.

The Primitive Baptists first became an identifiable group after meetings in Black Rock, Maryland, in 1832, in which they expressed concerns about extra-biblical groups like tract societies, Sunday schools, cooperative missions programs, and theological training schools. After the Black Rock meeting, the Primitive Baptists separated from all such “innovations,” claiming to follow only the New Testament model for church practice. Primitive Baptists are strongly Calvinistic, but they do not apply that term to themselves, preferring to be identified as predestinarian. Primitive Baptists are to be distinguished from Missionary Baptists, General Baptists, and Southern Baptists, being more devoted to the 'free will' theory, although they all share a common lineage.

Um...not quite.

Care to address the false doctrine espoused by PB's or do you just want to attack your straw man and tie it with your outright false accusations? It appears all the times I've corrected you online has left you with quite the grudge.

Do show us all where I've lead any down a false road. You've said it happened "once again" so show the evidence or put an end to the above.

The teachings that the PB's and ForestGreenCook espouse are not orthodox unless you also buy its false gospel. Quoting a source that only supplies the rosy part of the PB's isn't true as is no half-truth. It conveniently, like yourself, only presents what it likes to present.

The PB cult began around the time of William Carey's mission endeavors and that's when its errant gospel began.

You really have a serious problem of not knowing what you're talking about. A lot.