Hardshell & Primitive Baptist "Conditional Time Salvation" Warning

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

Being born again and being converted are two separate events. Conversion always follows being born again. Paul was regenerated and worshiped God and persecuted the church, in all good conscience and was converted on the road to Damascus. The men in acts that were "pricked" in their heart (conscience) was evidence that they were regenerated. The natural man has no conscience of wrong doing. God does the pricking. Paul was kicking against the pricks. On the other side of the coin, the men that stoned Steven were "cut" to the heart. and their reaction was anger, whereas the men in acts reaction was to ask "what must we do".

Which men? Those who stoned Stephen?

Paul was born again and still fought against Jesus’ body, the church? Man, you’re getting really loopy now my friend. You’ve been inoculated by being indoctrinated.

 

[preacher4truth]

Well, as a friend of mine told me, preachers are a type of commentary, as when they preach, they explain what that verse, or passage of verses, are really saying. @ForestGreenCook needs to stay home with that flippant attitude of his. His ‘me, the Spirit, and my KJV is all I need’ flippant attitude has crippled many many churches.

Yep. People just dont know how anti-biblical that is. When they say that then we know why they're in so much error. It doesn't sound humble either. It is the stench of the flesh and arrogance.

 

[preacher4truth]

As I have stated before, I do not reference other man's writings other than the inspired writers of the KJV of the bible.

That's the problem right there and why you're in error. By the way the "KJV writers" weren't inspired, you're just showing more of your ignorance of truth.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

Yep. People just dont know how anti-biblical that is. When they say that then we know why they're in so much error. It doesn't sound humble either. It is the stench of the flesh and arrogance.

This flies in the face of Ephesians 4:11,12.

 

[preacher4truth]

That is exactly right, preacher, You keep stating what I believe and helping me put the good news of the gospel out there.

Your arrogance is showing.

I'm going to keep exposing your false gospel knowing fully his elect wont be deceived along with you.

 

[preacher4truth]

Think about the arrogance of their "gospel." It's a nothing gospel, some message about hey if you would like a little help, then do some works and you'll be helped. If not, no biggie, see you in heaven. Its inherently weak, false, a mockery of the truth and a dishonor to God.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

The ad nauseam "I follow no man" disease has caused serious problems in the church. It is blatant arrogance and completely unbiblical.

Unbiblical? How?

That's the problem right there and why you're in error. By the way the "KJV writers" weren't inspired, you're just showing more of your ignorance of truth.

2 Peter 1:20-21 - Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scriptures is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old times by the will of man; but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. Of course you probably will not believe this because it came from the KJV. I am surprised that you did not know this, seeing you went to a preaching school.

 

[Laish]

Unbiblical? How?

2 Peter 1:20-21 - Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scriptures is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old times by the will of man; but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. Of course you probably will not believe this because it came from the KJV. I am surprised that you did not know this, seeing you went to a preaching school.

Sir we are even more surprised by what you say . Given that you say you read the Bible.
Blessings
Bill

 

[preacher4truth]

Unbiblical? How?

2 Peter 1:20-21 - Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scriptures is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old times by the will of man; but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. Of course you probably will not believe this because it came from the KJV. I am surprised that you did not know this, seeing you went to a preaching school.

Wow, you really showed me, right? I mean...

Obviously you don't know the difference between the inspired Scriptures themselves and "KJV writers" who put together the KJV who weren't inspired. Funny thing, I knew the difference before I ever went to any school.

Do you know what inspired means, biblically?

 

[preacher4truth]

Sir we are even more surprised by what you say . Given that you say you read the Bible.
Blessings
Bill

He sure schooled me!

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Wow, you really showed me, right? I mean...

Obviously you don't know the difference between the inspired Scriptures themselves and "KJV writers" who put together the KJV who weren't inspired. Funny thing, I knew the difference before I ever went to any school.

Do you know what inspired means, biblically?

No explanation on 2 Pet, just as I figured.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Wow, you really showed me, right? I mean...

Obviously you don't know the difference between the inspired Scriptures themselves and "KJV writers" who put together the KJV who weren't inspired. Funny thing, I knew the difference before I ever went to any school.

Do you know what inspired means, biblically?

The prophets of old in 2 Peter were. Is that not who the scriptures are quoting? So, do you also think the words written in red are not inspired either?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

He has at the least a double standard with 1 Corinthians 2:14. Any hint of believing in a happy hunting ground? *BAM* They're converted! The issue is they can hate the Gospel, think it foolish, hate the God of Scripture, have a hostile mind toward him, showing an unregenerate state, (note Romans 8 &c) and they say they are still regenerate.

But the text says this "...they are foolishness to him." and the "him" it is foolish to is the unregenerate natural man, not someone regenerate.

He, as all other PB's are clearly wrong here.

Then there is this:

The context of 1 Corinthians 2:14 is the things of the Gospel. These things are what it is being rejected by the natural man. The PB has this person rejecting all things spiritual, even if God exists, the afterlife &c. This is where they take the text too far and arrive with regenerate men everywhere on the planet.

The context is back to chapter 1 and it is all about the gospel of eternal salvation. Some of these natural men had their own gods, believed in earning favor, after life. The PB has them converted, and has to, it is their "precious evidence" to their false gospel, yet the text they use proves their error. The PB has this mantra "They believe the Gospel because they're already regenerate!" and "They can not believe the Gospel, cast it off as foolish and they're still regenerate!" and many of those they claim as regenerate do this with the Gospel.

The issue is, as with all sects, they take Scripture out of context. They attempt to refute this with the old tiresome false humility of "God taught me all by my lonesome after years of study." Funny thing how all PB's say this and they all come up with the same false gospel. Quit blaming your false teaching on God. Don't people realize God is going to judge them according to truth?

You misquote me in almost all of your posts and that makes you think you are refuting the truth. I do not think you have a clue as to my explanation of the scriptures. but that does not surprise me.

 

[Laish]

No explanation on 2 Pet, just as I figured.

Question do you know the difference between exegesis and eisegesis ? Or perhaps understand proper biblical hermeneutics. Because you original statement then connecting it to 2nd Peter stretches the imagination . God inspired the original writers . Not the KJV translators. This reminds me of the RCC where they consider those other than the original writers of scripture to be inspired. Disappointing no tragic .
Blessings
Bill

 

[ForestGreenCook]

No my friend. They happen simultaneously.

It would be helpful if you would back up your statements with scripture and not someone else's interpretation.,

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Question do you know the difference between exegesis and eisegesis ? Or perhaps understand proper biblical hermeneutics. Because you original statement then connecting it to 2nd Peter stretches the imagination . God inspired the original writers . Not the KJV translators. This reminds me of the RCC where they consider those other than the original writers of scripture to be inspired. Disappointing no tragic .
Blessings
Bill

Rev 22:18-19 - Was John inspired when he wrote these verses?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

The ad nauseam "I follow no man" disease has caused serious problems in the church. It is blatant arrogance and completely unbiblical.

I ask you why it is unbiblical and you ignored it.

 

[Laish]

Rev 22:18-19 - Was John inspired when he wrote these verses?

Ok then the KJV translators are I deep water if we take things to your extreme . They added conjunctions and English parts of speech in order to get the Greek text to make sense to a English speaker . Drop that book boy learn you some Greek it’s your only hope sense they added to the scriptures.
Blessings
Bill

 

[cv5]

Ok then the KJV translators are I deep water if we take things to your extreme . They added conjunctions and English parts of speech in order to get the Greek text to make sense to a English speaker . Drop that book boy learn you some Greek it’s your only hope sense they added to the scriptures.
Blessings
Bill

The VAST majority of the KJV came from the Tyndale bible. I recall on the order of 80% or so.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Ok then the KJV translators are I deep water if we take things to your extreme . They added conjunctions and English parts of speech in order to get the Greek text to make sense to a English speaker . Drop that book boy learn you some Greek it’s your only hope sense they added to the scriptures.
Blessings
Bill

You call me "boy" and I have children older than you. You probably have your own version of the bible that has changed the wording to say your eternal salvation is by the works of man. You continue to study and form your false doctrine and I will continue studying from one that gives God all of the credit for my eternal salvation.