The End of a Nation

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That seems to be a pattern repeated by a lot of people here... like you lie regularly about me. Mostly because you read with the intention of responding not listening, so you hear what you want to respond to and not what the person is actually saying. If one takes in the overall gist of all your political postings here, it's easy to tell that you think Trump is the all-American God ordained savior of the U.S. When the truth is he's just one more stepping stone towards the fall of this country that you have predicted. Which is it D? Is this country going to fall or stand with the world against Israel, or is Trump going to save it? You can't have it both ways.
More deceit above from one who loses salvation every time he speaks.....never have implied and or even indicated the drivel you posted here...you should seriously seek professional help....
 
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Actually, the scripture says that control of the worlds governments to give to whom the devil chooses is given to him.
It is due to mans choice in the garden to believe in the devil, that God gives the devil the right to choose our governments and world leaders (within boundaries).
The Lord will also give (allow) the devil to raise the beast from the sea (the bottomless pit) for his last stand, before the Lord commences to reign on earth.

Luke 4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
Ummmmmm that is what I said........
 

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This threads going the way of the "nation".
 

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You know......men were always destined to live under a Theocracy.....I.E> God ruling among men......and the truth is...the best form of human government given under the sun is failing.......some things to ponder....

Satan showed Jesus ALL the kingdoms of the earth and offered them if he would but fall down and worship Satan....he said they are mine and I give them to whom I will.....and he is called the god of this age (world) and the Prince of the Power of the Air......ALL forms of human government do not come from God.....and we can see this because of their failings.....

Greece gave us Democracy <---the rule of the people----->FAILED
Rome gave us the Republic form and also later on embraced Democracy ------>Failed
Egypt gave us Pharaohs ---> Failed
Babylon gave us Kings --->Failed
Persian kings failed
Assyrian Kings failed
etc........

The U.S. was a blended Republic/Democratic configuration with total freedom......and we can all see (if honest) the writing on the wall based upon the Historicity of EVERY ATTEMPT before us................
This country is coming apart at the seams now. The country is now secular and progressives have taken control of the Democrat Party and all civility and compromise is out the window. Conservatives are attacked verbally, financially, and physically by the very aggressive progressives. It gets worse daily. Sexual lies are told about people and sworn to until the truth makes the light of day but the damage was done.

AA woman who is part of the Trump administration was run out of a restaurant by the waitresses. A man in a band was fired for wearing a MAGA hat. There are videos of people wearing a MAGA hat being attacked physically. Civility is gone.

The concept of I disagree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it is gone!!
 

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Ummmmmm that is what I said........
I totally disagree.

Romans 13 NIV
Submission to Governing Authorities
1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
 

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That seems to be a pattern repeated by a lot of people here... like you lie regularly about me. Mostly because you read with the intention of responding not listening, so you hear what you want to respond to and not what the person is actually saying. If one takes in the overall gist of all your political postings here, it's easy to tell that you think Trump is the all-American God ordained savior of the U.S. When the truth is he's just one more stepping stone towards the fall of this country that you have predicted. Which is it D? Is this country going to fall or stand with the world against Israel, or is Trump going to save it? You can't have it both ways.
ROTFL
Trump is doing good things but like the boy with his thumb in the dike it is too little too late. The country is already secular and the progressives have taken over the Democrat Party. That means their way or the highway. No compromise. Conservatives and liberals could get together and come up with a compromise plan. Liberals out and no compromise. This is shown by the progressives attacking conservatives with words, financial damage, and physical attacks. There are videos of them doing this.

Waitresses saw a member of the Trump administration in the restaurant and yelled and screamed at her until she left. A member of a band was fired for wearing a MAGA hat. There are videos of someone wearing a MAGA hat getting yelled at and physically attacked by those who hate Trump.
 

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Is it due for an endoscopy to see if there are internal problems?
 

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Is it due for an endoscopy to see if there are internal problems?
An endoscope is used to see inside the body with a small cut and another small cut to pump air under the skin. I had surgery once using this method. 2 more small cuts to insert the long handled surgical tools. The small cuts means much less pain and much quicker recovery.
 

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The country>>>> U.S.A. has always been secular.
Absolutely not. All but 2 of our founding fathers were Christians. Jefferson and Franklin were the exceptions. Jefferson was a deist and Franklin was agnostic. Almost all people went to church. Pilgrims were all Christians. Quakers were all Christians. Etc. Etc. Etc.
 
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Absolutely not. All but 2 of our founding fathers were Christians. Jefferson and Franklin were the exceptions. Jefferson was a deist and Franklin was agnostic. Almost all people went to church. Pilgrims were all Christians. Quakers were all Christians. Etc. Etc. Etc.
The U.S. is a secular society and always has been, the country is based on law and with a clear division between church and state.

There is no government mandated religion.
The fact that founding fathers had a religious view, as did some the settlers, does not translate into the United States being a Christian nation.
 

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The U.S. is a secular society and always has been, the country is based on law and with a clear division between church and state.

There is no government mandated religion.
The fact that founding fathers had a religious view, as did some the settlers, does not translate into the United States being a Christian nation.
a grace-o-cratic nation would be :D
 

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An endoscope is used to see inside the body with a small cut and another small cut to pump air under the skin. I had surgery once using this method. 2 more small cuts to insert the long handled surgical tools. The small cuts means much less pain and much quicker recovery.
Endoscopy is a nonsurgical procedure used to examine a person's digestive tract. Using an endoscope, a flexible tube with a light and camera attached to it, your doctor can view pictures of your digestive tract on a color TV monitor.Oct 25, 2017
https://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/digestive-diseases-endoscopy#1
 

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I have to disagree that it is too late for America. God's Word tells us there is always hope. It also tells us to pray without ceasing. It also tells us if we believe, we will receive.
Amen brother, I know the power of Jesus and it is no different today than it ever was, other than how blessed we are with things like travel capability, food production and storage, ready water supply at the twist of a knob, sewage systems, medicine, lights, the list goes on and on . I also read that He is seated At the right hand of God, it is finished, All authority in heaven, and on earth is His, and He is truth so cannot be refuted by any mean, but I also do not think that any amount of "age of the earth", debates, or on evolution will convince anyone, although I love that stuff too, and I love seeing the truth all fit together perfectly, but the problem is mans hard heart in the flesh.

The fallen man does not want God, and like us all, can only interact with the world in every way by the flesh, that's what "born to the flesh" means and is the condition to which we are all born. Only the truth, Jesus the Christ, can change anyone, and He does so through His people (us), He changes us and tells us "go", and tells them "come", we plant seed and water, and He gives the growth.

Back to the being seated thing, He is seated and God's right hand, ruling until ALL enemies have been made His footstool. I am commanded to "go make disciples of all nations", and like the mustard seed, like the leaven through the 3 measures of meal, He will rein until EVERYTHING is under Him, and every knee will bow and tongue confess. I believe He already has all victory and we are to spread the good news until everything is under His feet, I'm not looking for defeat (just had to through the rhyme in there). I have of course felt His power through my rebirth and reconciliation with God, praise Jesus name, but now He has even blessed me with seeing personally the power of proclaiming His glorious truth and seeing it truly sink in and break them, it is amazing and I know where it comes from, and am just in such awe that He can take someone like me, so unworthy, such a wicked heart and use me for His glory, oh my goodness His power is so good. While I have to go a step higher and say, I don't think it's too late for the world, I believe it's all His, He had all victory, and has all authority and will rein until all is under the name above all name Jesus. Praise Jesus our King and Savior.

Oh I could go on forever, but I love all of you guys and pray He draw each and everyone of us ever closer each minute of every day, and use us for Your glory as we were created to. Amen
 
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The U.S. is a secular society and always has been, the country is based on law and with a clear division between church and state.

There is no government mandated religion.
The fact that founding fathers had a religious view, as did some the settlers, does not translate into the United States being a Christian nation.
Not my point and I did not say the U.S. is.....just that it has been perceived as such and from this NATION many Christian and so called Christian religions or ways have been propagated to the rest of the world.......and the primary reason for the settlement of America was for the sake of religious freedom to WORSHIP as we PLEASE <---NOT of God by the way.....
 

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More deceit above from one who loses salvation every time he speaks.....never have implied and or even indicated the drivel you posted here...you should seriously seek professional help....
So since you couldn't answer the question you fall back to your position of comfort, the attack.
 
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So since you couldn't answer the question you fall back to your position of comfort, the attack.
When you quit falsely accusing me of something I never said and or implied, be honest and ask a valid question I will answer.....
 
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Not my point and I did not say the U.S. is.....just that it has been perceived as such and from this NATION many Christian and so called Christian religions or ways have been propagated to the rest of the world.......and the primary reason for the settlement of America was for the sake of religious freedom to WORSHIP as we PLEASE <---NOT of God by the way.....
I was quoting Endoscopy...... yes I agree that it is a general perception.