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I'm not quite sure, because I'm still unsure of your question or point(s).
Does this (below) help you see my perspective?
John 20:31 -
"31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
1 John 5:10 -
"10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son."
Does this (below) help you see my perspective?
John 20:31 -
"31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
1 John 5:10 -
"10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son."
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These Scriptures would become relevant after the state of being I'm presenting .
Was there a point in the beginning of your Salvation journey , where you did not have the Spirit of Christ , Christ , His word , or His promises yet ? That would be the " time or state of being " I'm highlighting .
Was there a point in the beginning of your Salvation journey , where you did not have the Spirit of Christ , Christ , His word , or His promises yet ? That would be the " time or state of being " I'm highlighting .
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We commence our walk as the creature that is still subject to vanity (Romans 8:20). Vanity are the worlds trappings that keep us apart from God.
As we progress in our walk towards God, we groan within ourselves waiting for deliverance from our bondage to our carnal inclinations.
Those of us who overcome and leave the worlds carnal trappings behind, are then adopted by God, and are His children.
Whether or not the Lords promises currently apply to the child of God who is as a servant while subject to vanity, I do not know.
Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Galatians 4:1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
As we progress in our walk towards God, we groan within ourselves waiting for deliverance from our bondage to our carnal inclinations.
Those of us who overcome and leave the worlds carnal trappings behind, are then adopted by God, and are His children.
Whether or not the Lords promises currently apply to the child of God who is as a servant while subject to vanity, I do not know.
Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Galatians 4:1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
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There are some foundational Scriptures that pertain even while outside of Christ , such as Rom. 8:9 .
The understanding I'm asking people to agree or disagree with is , as per Rom 8:9 , there is a point or state of being , where because we have yet to receive the Spirit of Christ , Christ , His word , and the promises there in are not ours yet either .
The understanding I'm asking people to agree or disagree with is , as per Rom 8:9 , there is a point or state of being , where because we have yet to receive the Spirit of Christ , Christ , His word , and the promises there in are not ours yet either .
]When you write "in the BEGINNING of your Salvation journey," I am understanding that phrase to mean [rightly or wrongly] AT/AFTER the point of faith/trust in Christ, but I THINK you are intending it to be referring to some time BEFORE that. Are you? I am yet unclear of your intention, in this regard. I apologize.
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Oh, and here is the Scripture that had come to mind, along with that ^ :
2 Corinthians 5:17 [blb] -
"Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old things have passed away; behold, the new has come into being."
[an altogether NEW CREATION. This is not to say we don't still have a sin nature, as saved persons. I do not hold to "one-naturism"]
2 Corinthians 5:17 [blb] -
"Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old things have passed away; behold, the new has come into being."
[an altogether NEW CREATION. This is not to say we don't still have a sin nature, as saved persons. I do not hold to "one-naturism"]
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