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I did mention that I do not hold to "one-naturism" (as some people do). Not sure if you saw that in my post. 
If you mean totally sin free; then I would have to disagree, as 1 John 3:9 testifies.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
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Sure Locutus .
We all start our walk with Christ in the same state of being .
At the start of the Salvation journey we are first drawn or called by the Father . At this first part , as Rom. 8:9 says , because one doesn't have the Spirit of Christ , " we are none of His ". As the result , Christ, His word , and His promises are not ours yet either .
Part two , we respond to the call of the Father by a mental turning from our way , to His way , ( repentance ). Still at part two , no Spirit of Christ , so Christ , His Word , and the promises in His word are not ours to claim yet either .
Part three , is where I ask what we would do to take our first step of Faith , ( faithing or pisteuo )? What would our first step of Faith look like ?
You responded by saying you " believed the Gospel ," and recieved the Spirit of Christ .
If that were possible , you would have reached into God's Word ( that wasn't yours yet) , claimed promises ( that aren't yours yet ) ultimately claiming Christ and His Spirit ( which also aren't yours yet ) .
This is one way to show how there is no such thing as "believing " in God's Word to start a relationship with Christ . That's not what Faith is .
Your caught up .
We all start our walk with Christ in the same state of being .
At the start of the Salvation journey we are first drawn or called by the Father . At this first part , as Rom. 8:9 says , because one doesn't have the Spirit of Christ , " we are none of His ". As the result , Christ, His word , and His promises are not ours yet either .
Part two , we respond to the call of the Father by a mental turning from our way , to His way , ( repentance ). Still at part two , no Spirit of Christ , so Christ , His Word , and the promises in His word are not ours to claim yet either .
Part three , is where I ask what we would do to take our first step of Faith , ( faithing or pisteuo )? What would our first step of Faith look like ?
You responded by saying you " believed the Gospel ," and recieved the Spirit of Christ .
If that were possible , you would have reached into God's Word ( that wasn't yours yet) , claimed promises ( that aren't yours yet ) ultimately claiming Christ and His Spirit ( which also aren't yours yet ) .
This is one way to show how there is no such thing as "believing " in God's Word to start a relationship with Christ . That's not what Faith is .
Your caught up .
I think you are trying to make a case from the wrong scripture:
(Rom 8:5 KJV) For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
(Rom 8:6 KJV) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
(Rom 8:7 KJV) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
(Rom 8:8 KJV) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
(Rom 8:9 KJV) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
(Rom 8:10 KJV) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
I would agree with Paul that while walking after the flesh I was not "pleasing" to God, but on believing the gospel (whatever process was involved on God's part and the missionary I "bumped" into) I received the Spirit of Christ and was then in the spirit.
Paul does not spell out a procedure in the above, just the conditions before and after. What you appear to be doing in my opinion is misapplying this part of Romans.
(Rom 8:5 KJV) For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
(Rom 8:6 KJV) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
(Rom 8:7 KJV) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
(Rom 8:8 KJV) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
(Rom 8:9 KJV) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
(Rom 8:10 KJV) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
I would agree with Paul that while walking after the flesh I was not "pleasing" to God, but on believing the gospel (whatever process was involved on God's part and the missionary I "bumped" into) I received the Spirit of Christ and was then in the spirit.
Paul does not spell out a procedure in the above, just the conditions before and after. What you appear to be doing in my opinion is misapplying this part of Romans.
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If you have the Spirit of Christ , you also have the mind of Christ .
If you know the Scriptures , you can find alot of examples of what happens when one recieves the Spirit of Christ . But not one word about what happens within a person when they have the mind of Christ . This means , the only way to know what happens , and what it's like to live with the mind of Christ is to have the accuall experience . That is one way to confirm His Spirit abides in you .
If you know the Scriptures , you can find alot of examples of what happens when one recieves the Spirit of Christ . But not one word about what happens within a person when they have the mind of Christ . This means , the only way to know what happens , and what it's like to live with the mind of Christ is to have the accuall experience . That is one way to confirm His Spirit abides in you .
other relevant scriptures, like this one maybe?
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
(1 Corinthians 2:14)
i'd say considering this, yes, we all were found in the same human condition: dead, without understanding, unable to see or discern, enemies of God, hopeless & vain, without the Spirit. that's by certain measures 'equal' - though we may have various capacities and aptitudes.
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Your missing the point , in that state of being Scripture is not ours to even talk about , it's not ours yet . I don't need to introduce Rom. 8:9 to make the point , at the start of the Salvation journey , the Spirit of Christ , Christ , His Word , and the promises in His word are not ours to claim yet .
That's the topic of this thread . If you need to remove Rom. 8:9 from the discussion ,, that's ok , it doesn't change the state of being I'm presenting .
One more chance to address the topic . If you agree with the state of being I'm presenting , let's move forward .
That's the topic of this thread . If you need to remove Rom. 8:9 from the discussion ,, that's ok , it doesn't change the state of being I'm presenting .
One more chance to address the topic . If you agree with the state of being I'm presenting , let's move forward .