Are the words of the Messiah above all else?

Shamah · Aug 18, 2018

praiseYah! may we follow our Shepherd in sincerity and truth!

John/Yahanan 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."

Revelation 19:7-9, “Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him praise, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife prepared herself. And to her it was given to be dressed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteousness of the set-apart ones. And he said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who have been called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’ And he said to me, “These are the true words of יהוה.”

Jewel5712 · Aug 18, 2018

posthuman said:

Lol

BEEF..ITS WHATS FOR SUPPER..LOL

Jewel5712 · Aug 18, 2018

Shamah said:

praiseYah! may we follow our Shepherd in sincerity and truth!

John/Yahanan 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."

Revelation 19:7-9, “Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him praise, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife prepared herself. And to her it was given to be dressed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteousness of the set-apart ones. And he said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who have been called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’ And he said to me, “These are the true words of יהוה.”

Oh my word.. Have been saying tgat about the trinity the whole time..really?

Maybe my answer is too simplistic..i have to attach and explain 10 verses before you get it..ahhh..it was all bout the APROACH. Hmmm

FirstLovedByHim · Aug 18, 2018

posthuman said:

Hebrews 10:1-18
Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All
10 For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices which are continually offered year after year, make perfect those who draw near.[a] 2 Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered? If the worshipers had once been cleansed, they would no longer have any consciousness of sin. 3 But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sin year after year. 4 For it is impossible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins.

5 Consequently, when Christ[b] came into the world, he said,

“Sacrifices and offerings thou hast not desired,
but a body hast thou prepared for me;
6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings thou hast taken no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Lo, I have come to do thy will, O God,’
as it is written of me in the roll of the book.”

8 When he said above, “Thou hast neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9 then he added, “Lo, I have come to do thy will.” He abolishes the first in order to establish the second. 10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when Christ[c] had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 then to wait until his enemies should be made a stool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. 15 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,

16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, says the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,”

17 then he adds,

“I will remember their sins and their misdeeds no more.”

18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.

Shamah · Aug 18, 2018

posthuman said:

I never said other Scripture writes are invalid... I think many people did not read the original post and started off on a false tangent?

Shamah said:

I said the Messiah is above all Scripture writers, He is "the Prophet" and the MEssiah, His words are the standard:

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

The letter to the Hebrews is Yah inspired and has vital Scriptual truth concerning animal sacrifices being empty and useless, a must read , that IMO does not change "The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Shamah · Aug 18, 2018

Jewel5712 said:

The trinity was never on my radar in this thread, this thread was intended to be about if Yahshua/Jesus is "the Prophet" spoken of in Deut 18 and if that makes His words above all Scripture writers. Not sayong others are not inspired but that YHWH says YaHSHUA'S words are the standard and as Yahshua says also.

prove-all · Aug 18, 2018

What Was Christ’s message ?

God the Father had promised to send a messenger into the world from heaven,
bearing a message from Him for all mankind. This promise is recorded in Malachi 3:1:

“Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me [and that
messenger, as explained in Mark 1:2, was John the Baptist]; and the Lord, whom ye seek,
shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in
.…” The “Lord,” here, of course, refers to Jesus Christ.

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God” (verse 1). Then follows the
account of John the Baptist preparing the way before Him. Verses 12 and 13 record the
temptation of Jesus by Satan, wherein Satan sought to destroy Christ spiritually, before
He proclaimed a word of the message He brought from God the Father.

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel .…”
The message He brought was the message about the Kingdom of God.

Christ was called a messenger bearing a message—but moreover,
He is called the “messenger of the covenant"

Jesus said, “I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent” .
Jesus commissioned His disciples to teach the Kingdom of God. “Then he called his twelve
disciples together, and … he sent them to preach the kingdom of God …” (Luke 9:1-2).
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“… he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because
they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear” (Luke 19:11).

Then He gave the parable of the nobleman going to a far country to receive for himself
a kingdom and to return—the picture of Christ’s ascension to heaven, where the coronation
ceremony shall take place, and His return to Earth to rule all nations, as King of kings and
Lord of lords, in all the supreme power and glory of the great God.
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Christ was speaking to His disciples about “the things pertaining to the kingdom of God”
after His resurrection. They, then, just before He ascended into heaven, asked Him:
“Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?”

The apostles seemed never to understand that the Kingdom of God was not to be set up on
Earth in their lifetime, even though Jesus’s teaching—especially the parable of the pounds
(Luke 19)—should have made it clear to them.

Jesus spoke of His message—the Kingdom of God—as the “word” that He spoke.
The message sent by God to all mankind, by His divine Messenger Jesus Christ.

Shamah · Aug 18, 2018

gb9 said:

You must have missed this:

Shamah said:

It is essentiall the same thing but shortened.

Peter, James and John are with Yahshua and YHWH tells them "HEAR HIM!" Of course it was "hear with implied obedience" just the same as shamah in Deut 18:

"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

however the second part, v19 is not said, so that would be the only difference IMO, but Yahshua Himself re states that part in John 12:48...

To sum it up, Yahshua the Messiah is the King, the Judge, and the ONLY Shepherd.

John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 – poimén)."

Shamah · Aug 18, 2018

prove-all said:

Psalm 68:19, "Blessed be יהוה, Day by day He bears our burden, The Strength of our salvation! Selah."

Isaiah 53:67-9, “We all, like sheep, went astray, each one of us has turned to his own way. And יהוה has laid on Him the crookedness of us all. He was oppressed and He was afflicted, but He did not open His mouth. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, but He did not open His mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment. And as for His generation, who considered that He shall be cut off from the land of the living? For the transgression of My people He was stricken. And He was appointed a burial-site with the wrong, and with the rich at His death, because He had done no violence, nor was deceit in His mouth.”

Psalms 2:1-12, "2:1, "Why do the nations rage, And the peoples meditate emptiness? (Mat 4:25-26. See also Dan 2:44, Dan 7:13-28, Hag 2:22, Zec 14:9 and Rev 11:15) The sovereigns of the earth take their stand, And the rulers take counsel together, Against יהוה and against His Messiah, and say, Let us tear apart Their bonds, And throw away Their ropes from us.”"2:4, " He who is sitting in the heavens laughs, יהוה mocks at them. Then He speaks to them in His wrath, And troubles them in His rage, saying,"2:6, "“ But I, I have set My Sovereign on Tsiyon, My set-apart mountain. I inscribe for a law: יהוה has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have brought You forth. Ask of Me, and I make the nations Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth Your possession. Break them with a rod of iron, Dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel. And now, be wise, O sovereigns; Be instructed, you rulers of the earth. Serve יהוה with fear, And rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son lest He be enraged, And you perish in the way, For soon His wrath is to be kindled. Blessed are all those taking refuge in Him.”

prove-all · Aug 18, 2018

Hebrews 2:8 (KJV)
Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection
under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things
put under him.

1 Corinthians 15:24 (KJV)
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God,
even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

1 Corinthians 15:27 (KJV)
For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him,
it is manifest that he is excepted which did put all things under him.

Shamah · Aug 18, 2018

Daniyl 7:13-14, “I was looking in the night visions and saw One like the Son of Enosh, coming with the clouds of the heavens! And He came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. And to Him was given rulership and preciousness and a reign, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His rule is an everlasting rule which shall not pass away, and His reign that which shall not be destroyed.”

prove-all · Aug 19, 2018

Jesus is the spirit of prophecy

“And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not:
I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethrenthat have the testimony of Jesus:
worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy” (Rev. 19:10).

God designed Bible prophecy to be a beacon of understanding in a dark, confused world.

“Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret
unto his servants the prophets” (Amos 3:7)

“We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye
take heed, as unto a light that shinethin a dark place, until the day dawn,
and the day star arise in your hearts:

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake
as they were moved by the Holy [Spirit]” (2 Peter 1:19-21).

People should not read their own personal interpretations into Bible prophecies.
Only God can interpret His prophecies. The prophets are part of the foundation of
God’s true Church.“And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets,
Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone” (Eph. 2:20).

Paul taught the Ephesians that they were to pay close attention to the
teachings of Jesus Christ, His apostles, and the prophets!

Jesus Christ promised the disciples that God’s Spirit would help them understand
prophecy. Christ is quoted as saying God’s Holy Spirit, the spirit of truth, would
show us “things to come.”

Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are
not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Set forth your case, says the Lord; bring your proofs, says the King of Jacob.

22 Let them bring them, and tell us what is to happen.
Tell us the former things, what they are, so that we may consider them,
and that we may know their outcome;or declare to us the things to come.

23 Tell us what is to come hereafter,that we may know that you are gods;
do good, or do harm, that we may be afraid and terrified.

dcontroversal · Aug 19, 2018

Jewel5712 said:

Yeah I hear ya..............the bible is clear on this issue and many go to seed on trying to elevate the word of God above the word of God....it is rather idiotic at the end of the day especially when it states clearly that EVERY word of God is inspired....Paul was taught by DIRECT REVELATION from JESUS, was INSPIRED to write what was written and JESUS was clear that he had many things to say and teach, but they were not yet ready <--HENCE the N.T. beyond the Gospels and the O.T.

Jewel5712 · Aug 19, 2018

dcontroversal said:

He had his own agenda from the very begining..i called him on it..he didnt like it and its now tail chasing time cause theres already been multiple tangents hes gone off on

So..either his OP wasnt correct since he ONLY wants to discuss the verses hes continued to post or he doesnt know the answers himself or pushing his own agenda..hmmm

Shamah · Aug 19, 2018

dcontroversal said:

So aare you saying Paul is "the Propet we must hear and obey" or is it Yahshua/Jesus? Or what is the meaning of YHWH mentioning a sigle "Prophet" "the Prophet"?

Shamah · Aug 19, 2018

Jewel5712 said:

Any verses are fine, but you refuse to explain the main verse that talks about "hearing and obeying the Prophet" (Messiah) and made it about the trinity, something that ignores the OP.

Jewel5712 · Aug 19, 2018

Shamah said:

Jesus the Messiah is NOT a prophet first off..He is the Son of God..part 9f the Trinity..so in knowing that of COURSE his word is absolute! I dont know how many different ways i need to say this to you...maybe standing on my head rubbing my belly..and saying it backwards..THEN will you understand???? I DOUBT it bevause you dont WANT to! And THERE it is ladies n gentlmen!

Shamah · Aug 19, 2018

Jewel5712 said:

Yes He is the Messiah and no He is not "a prophet" He is "The Prophet"... You are freaking out while all I am doing is quoting Scripture, this is what YHWH said, Mosheh wrote and Peter quoted...

Well YHWH calls HIM "THE PROPHET" as does Peter in Acts. Yahshua is also The Messiah, The Suffering Lamb, The Conquering Lion (still future), The King of Kings, but also "The Prophet"

Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”

Acts 3:19-23, “ 19Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out, 20that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, 21whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago. 22Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’

Jewel5712 · Aug 19, 2018

Shamah said:

Yes He is the Messiah and no He is not "a prophet" He is "The Prophet"... You are freaking out while all I am doing is quoting Scripture, this is what YHWH said, Mosheh wrote and Peter quoted...

Well YHWH calls HIM "THE PROPHET" as does Peter in Acts. Yahshua is also The Messiah, The Suffering Lamb, The Conquering Lion (still future), The King of Kings, but also "The Prophet"

Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”

Acts 3:19-23, “ 19Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out, 20that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, 21whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago. 22Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. 23And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’

Well as our Lord Jesus Christ said..IT IS FINISHED!

tourist · Aug 19, 2018

Jewel5712 said:

Yeah, that means stick a fork in it 'cause it's done.

Are the words of the Messiah above all else?

Are the words of the Messiah above all else?

Yes the Messiah's words are of the highest authority

No every Biblical writer is equal

Other (please explain)

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