Are the words of the Messiah above all else?

[Shamah]

Well as our Lord Jesus Christ said..IT IS FINISHED!

Indeed He did, im not sure what that has to do with what I said, but did you know there are 2 "It is done/finished" statements?

He came as a Lamb and returns as a Lion:

Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

This is really so awesome to me, Yah's Kingdom,

Ezekiyl 48:35, "“All around: eighteen thousand cubits. And the name of the city from that day is: יהוה is there!” (In Hebrew: יהוה Shammah)

Revelation 21:3-4, "And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father. And YHWH will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away.”


perfect peace!

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

Any verses are fine, but you refuse to explain the main verse that talks about "hearing and obeying the Prophet" (Messiah) and made it about the trinity, something that ignores the OP.

Christ is th prophet we should obey in Deuteronomy . And before we obeyed the apostles obeyed and thus is why they are who they are. Some were simply asked, come follow me and did. Paul was stopped in his tracks through divine intervention as many of us today need. But once intersession came Paul was a wrecking ball, baffling Jewish cats with his amazing transformation. GO PAUL! I love my brothers.God bless!

 

[Deade]

They seemed to all be looking for Him, here we see they did not know that the Messiah and the Propet were on in the same:

John 1:20-21,20 And he confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Messiah.”"21 And they asked him, “What then, are you Ěliyahu?” So he said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.”"

Hello Shamah, I want to share with you what God has led me to believe about Elijah and antichrist. They are both movements. John the Baptist, Christ and the apostles were all part of the Elijah "faith" movement. When the people questioned John they were asking the wrong question and his answer was valid. That means believers in these last days are all Elijah. Just as there are many antichrists. Think and pray about it.

 

[Shamah]

Christ is th prophet we should obey in Deuteronomy . And before we obeyed the apostles obeyed and thus is why they are who they are. Some were simply asked, come follow me and did. Paul was stopped in his tracks through divine intervention as many of us today need. But once intersession came Paul was a wrecking ball, baffling Jewish cats with his amazing transformation. GO PAUL! I love my brothers.God bless!

Yahshua/Jesus can definitly change minds, hearts and lives!

John 13:15, “For I (Jesus) gave you an example, that you should do as I have done to you.”

 

[Shamah]

Hello Shamah, I want to share with you what God has led me to believe about Elijah and antichrist. They are both movements. John the Baptist, Christ and the apostles were all part of the Elijah "faith" movement. When the people questioned John they were asking the wrong question and his answer was valid. That means believers in these last days are all Elijah. Just as there are many antichrists. Think and pray about it.

Interesting parrallel, those guided by the SPirit of Yah are definitly different and set apart... Hmm...

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

John was Elijah but did not know it. He acted as he new himself to be. But Christ new He was Elijah and revealed that to the apostles after John's death. This was after the transfiguration this discussion happened. John (Elijah ) was in his glorified spirit state. The apostles would not have recognized him as John due to that. Just as, even though they saw Christ in His glorified state( the same He would take on at the resurrection) They did not recognize Him when He first arouse. This too with John as Elijah until Christ told them.

SOMETHING NEW TO ADD TO THIS DISCUSSION:
THE TWO WITNESSES-

Who are The two witnesses? They are not Moses and Elijah. Rev. 10:8-11 is very clear, as to one (Then the
voice which I had heard from heaven spoke to me again , saying, "Go, take the the scroll which is open in the
hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land." So I went to the angel and told him to give me
the little scroll; and he said to me, " Take it and eat; it will be bitter to your stomach, but sweet as honey in your
mouth." And I took the little scroll from the hand of the angel and ate it; it was sweet as honey in my mouth, but
when I had eaten it my stomach was made bitter.



And I WAS TOLD , " YOU MUST AGAIN PROPHESY ABOUT MANY PEOPLES AND NATIONS AND
TONGUES AND KINGS." Meaning: He has already prophesied to many peoples and nations and tongues and
kings through the Revelation he received and gave to the world. Now he must again prophesy ABOUT

meaning amongst- before- about them. The scroll was sweet in his mouth because the Word of God in utterance
is sweet but is bitter for the persecution and martyrdom it brings. St. John is the only apostle who did not expe-
rience martyrdom. He will now.

Jesus and the Beloved Apostle John 21:21-23Enoch is the other witness. TO WITNESS- meaning: to give ac-
count of those things which have already been seen. St. John and Enoch saw the end days in their entirety and
the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven. They both heard the thunders of God.

Jesus and the Beloved Apostle John21:21-23

…21When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?” 22Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain until
I return, what is that to you? You follow Me!” 23Because of this, the rumor spread among the brothers that this
disciple would not die. However, Jesus did not say that he would not die, but only, “If I want him to remain un-
til I return, what is that to you?”…

Elijah already came- Matthew 17:10-13 And the disciples asked Him, " Then why do the scribes say that first
Elijah must come?"

He replied, " Elijah does come, and he is to restore all things; but I tell you that Elijah has already come, and
they did not know him, but did to him whatever they pleased. So also the Son of man will suffer at their hands."



Then the disciples understood that He was speaking to them of John the Baptist.
There is what is called" Order
of Events." Elijah could not come after Christ's first coming but had to prepare souls for His first coming.
He instituted in Christianity a preexisting cleansing for the Hebrews -the Rite of Ritual washing or baptism, which makes clear or straight the path of the Lord. This had to be transformed and instituted among the gentiles.

The scriptures do not lie. People sometimes misinterpret them unintentionally not saying anyone here did. It is just popular opinion that Elijah and Moses are the Two Witnesses. Never assume anything about the will
of God.?
John (Elijah) -He made straight and clear the way of the Lord then and still does, through this Rite ,of baptism by
water in the Holy Spirit. This cleanses use of original sin and all believers are required to do it. Yes you must accept Christ and yes the Holy Spirit has come upon people by fire but all precede to receive water baptism as well. And water baptism too can be applied upon simply hearing and believing like the Ethiopian Eunuch in the NT . Thus, prepares the way of the Lord to our souls. All must be applied to begin you full restoration= receiving of Spiritual gifts. Deade is correct to say Elijah is here , because what He instituted as (John) still applies today and continuously makes straight the way of the Lord through all generations. God Bless!

 

[Shamah]

John was Elijah but did not know it. He acted as he new himself to be. But Christ new He was Elijah and revealed that to the apostles after John's death. This was after the transfiguration this discussion happened. John (Elijah ) was in his glorified spirit state. The apostles would not have recognized him as John due to that. Just as, even though they saw Christ in His glorified state( the same He would take on at the resurrection) They did not recognize Him when He first arouse. This too with John as Elijah until Christ told them.

SOMETHING NEW TO ADD TO THIS DISCUSSION:
THE TWO WITNESSES-

Who are The two witnesses? They are not Moses and Elijah. Rev. 10:8-11 is very clear, as to one (Then the
voice which I had heard from heaven spoke to me again , saying, "Go, take the the scroll which is open in the
hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land." So I went to the angel and told him to give me
the little scroll; and he said to me, " Take it and eat; it will be bitter to your stomach, but sweet as honey in your
mouth." And I took the little scroll from the hand of the angel and ate it; it was sweet as honey in my mouth, but
when I had eaten it my stomach was made bitter.



And I WAS TOLD , " YOU MUST AGAIN PROPHESY ABOUT MANY PEOPLES AND NATIONS AND
TONGUES AND KINGS." Meaning: He has already prophesied to many peoples and nations and tongues and
kings through the Revelation he received and gave to the world. Now he must again prophesy ABOUT

meaning amongst- before- about them. The scroll was sweet in his mouth because the Word of God in utterance
is sweet but is bitter for the persecution and martyrdom it brings. St. John is the only apostle who did not expe-
rience martyrdom. He will now.

Jesus and the Beloved Apostle John 21:21-23Enoch is the other witness. TO WITNESS- meaning: to give ac-
count of those things which have already been seen. St. John and Enoch saw the end days in their entirety and
the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven. They both heard the thunders of God.

Jesus and the Beloved Apostle John21:21-23

…21When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?” 22Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain until
I return, what is that to you? You follow Me!” 23Because of this, the rumor spread among the brothers that this
disciple would not die. However, Jesus did not say that he would not die, but only, “If I want him to remain un-
til I return, what is that to you?”…

Elijah already came- Matthew 17:10-13 And the disciples asked Him, " Then why do the scribes say that first
Elijah must come?"

He replied, " Elijah does come, and he is to restore all things; but I tell you that Elijah has already come, and
they did not know him, but did to him whatever they pleased. So also the Son of man will suffer at their hands."



Then the disciples understood that He was speaking to them of John the Baptist.
There is what is called" Order
of Events." Elijah could not come after Christ's first coming but had to prepare souls for His first coming.
He instituted in Christianity a preexisting cleansing for the Hebrews -the Rite of Ritual washing or baptism, which makes clear or straight the path of the Lord. This had to be transformed and instituted among the gentiles.

The scriptures do not lie. People sometimes misinterpret them unintentionally not saying anyone here did. It is just popular opinion that Elijah and Moses are the Two Witnesses. Never assume anything about the will
of God.?
John (Elijah) -He made straight and clear the way of the Lord then and still does, through this Rite ,of baptism by
water in the Holy Spirit. This cleanses use of original sin and all believers are required to do it. Yes you must accept Christ and yes the Holy Spirit has come upon people by fire but all precede to receive water baptism as well. And water baptism too can be applied upon simply hearing and believing like the Ethiopian Eunuch in the NT . Thus, prepares the way of the Lord to our souls. All must be applied to begin you full restoration= receiving of Spiritual gifts. Deade is correct to say Elijah is here , because what He instituted as (John) still applies today and continuously makes straight the way of the Lord through all generations. God Bless!

I want you to clairfy one thing before I read the entire post so I may understand what you are saying, if I continue now I may misunderstand.

Do you mean John the Baptist was literally Elijah?

or

That John the Baptist is "spiritually" Elijah, like in the same mold type thing, a "typeology"?

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

I want you to clairfy one thing before I read the entire post so I may understand what you are saying, if I continue now I may misunderstand.

Do you mean John the Baptist was literally Elijah?

or

That John the Baptist is "spiritually" Elijah, like in the same mold type thing, a "typeology"?

No mold type. As Christ clearly said 'Elijah has already come and they have done to Him whatever they pleased" Elijah was taken up to heaven in the old testament he never died. You can do nothing to the spirit concerning killing it , (by men) . So it was the body of Elijah they killed. God sent him down again in the same role and same garments by the way to prepare the way for the Lord. This has only happened to three men Elijah and John the Beloved (Who is to remain until Christ returns then he will die as a witness ) and Enoch the second Witness with John the Beloved. NO ONE ELSE. Today it is correct to say only in the Spirit of Elijah upon men is Elijah here among men . This due to the Rite of baptism and the fire preaching of repentance which believers apply today. SO A RESOUNDING YES FROM ME! God is truly amazing! Do you think God could not do this or would not do this, and why?

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

I notice things get awfully silent in here when I post something BOLD . Are you all in cahoots here???????

 

[Shamah]

No mold type. As Christ clearly said 'Elijah has already come and they have done to Him whatever they pleased" Elijah was taken up to heaven in the old testament he never died. You can do nothing to the spirit concerning killing it , (by men) . So it was the body of Elijah they killed. God sent him down again in the same role and same garments by the way to prepare the way for the Lord. This has only happened to three men Elijah and John the Beloved (Who is to remain until Christ returns then he will die as a witness ) and Enoch the second Witness with John the Beloved. NO ONE ELSE. Today it is correct to say only in the Spirit of Elijah upon men is Elijah here among men . This due to the Rite of baptism and the fire preaching of repentance which believers apply today. SO A RESOUNDING YES FROM ME! God is truly amazing! Do you think God could not do this or would not do this, and why?

Well Elijah had "a doubleportion of the SPirit of YHWH" and Yah can do what He pe=leases, I would say Yah;s SPirit is upon His, in the same manner as Elijah, but I would have to study what you are saying.

 

[Shamah]

I notice things get awfully silent in here when I post something BOLD . Are you all in cahoots here???????

Me personally I am haveing a conversation with someone not on the internet so I am focusing on that right now.

 

[Deade]

No mold type. As Christ clearly said 'Elijah has already come and they have done to Him whatever they pleased" Elijah was taken up to heaven in the old testament he never died. You can do nothing to the spirit concerning killing it , (by men) . So it was the body of Elijah they killed. God sent him down again in the same role and same garments by the way to prepare the way for the Lord. This has only happened to three men Elijah and John the Beloved (Who is to remain until Christ returns then he will die as a witness ) and Enoch the second Witness with John the Beloved. NO ONE ELSE. Today it is correct to say only in the Spirit of Elijah upon men is Elijah here among men . This due to the Rite of baptism and the fire preaching of repentance which believers apply today. SO A RESOUNDING YES FROM ME! God is truly amazing! Do you think God could not do this or would not do this, and why?

Are you saying that Elijah's and Enoch's spirit, the actual essence of their being, are reincarnated? It is the actual person of Elijah that lived as John the Baptist? You do realize that Enoch, Elijah and Moses all have died, right?

 

[calibob]

Are you saying that Elijah's and Enoch's spirit, the actual essence of their being, are reincarnated? It is the actual person of Elijah that lived as John the Baptist? You do realize that Enoch, Elijah and Moses all have died, right?

I though Enoch and Elijah were taken?

 

[Nehemiah6]

I though Enoch and Elijah were taken?

Correct. They did not die but were taken up to Heaven.

 

[UnderGrace]

Yeah, that means stick a fork in it 'cause it's done.

Ohh you are so funny.....hahaha now I am craving steak, but not well done!!

 

[UnderGrace]

John was Elijah but did not know it. He acted as he new himself to be. But Christ new He was Elijah and revealed that to the apostles after John's death.

So God reincarnated Elijah as John the Baptist, but John was in the dark about it...... how convenient

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

So God reincarnated Elijah as John the Baptist, but John was in the dark about it...... how convenient

Would not expect you to get it.

 

[gb9]

Would not expect you to get it.

Would not expect you to get it.

maybe because you there is no " it " to get.

 

[UnderGrace]

Would not expect you to get it.

Neither do I want to.

I could type it all out but it has been sufficiently repudiated here, just so people know what scripture actually teaches not what people like to speculate on.

https://www.gotquestions.org/John-Baptist-Elijah.html

 

[MattforJesus]

Jesus is God so all the words of the Bible are the words of Jesus, so all the writers were writing the authority of Jesus.

No person writes their own authority but the authority of God.

Paul wrote the words of Jesus as well as the Gospels, but it is not their authority, or words, but Jesus' authority, and words, so it is all the authority of Jesus and His words, and people cannot glory.

But God does not command us to obey the Old Testament, but the New Testament, therefore the words of Jesus, and the New Testament, have the highest authority, and above the authority of the Old Testament and that covenant, except the spiritual laws carried over from the Old Testament that are always in place no matter the time period.

The New Testament has the highest authority, and we are commanded to obey it, which God commands people everywhere to repent and accept it, and the New Testament is the words of Jesus, for all the Bible is the authority of Jesus and His words.

But we are commanded to obey the New Testament, so it is a higher authority above the Old Testament, and it came from Jesus and His words, so His words would have the highest authority, but all the word of God is the authority and words of Jesus.

Paul's words have authority because they are Jesus' words, and they are not Paul's words, so Paul's words do not have the highest authority, for he speaks the words of Jesus, and His words have the highest authority for all the Bible is the authority of and words of Jesus.

It does not matter who writes the words it is still all the words of Jesus, so Jesus words have the highest authority because it is all His words.

This is a strange question is Jesus' words the highest authority when it is all Jesus' words, and a person writing them in the Bible does not give them authority in the words, for it is still all the words of Jesus.

And it is strange that a person would say Jesus' words are the highest authority, as if to say it is above what Paul wrote, when it was not Paul's words but the words of Jesus.

It is all the words of Jesus throughout the whole Bible which makes this question strange.