The False Church

When we get the fundamental facts wrong, we end up with a different Gospel to the one described in the Bible.

I used to listen to Sermons by Charles Lawson, on sermonaudio.com I liked his sermons until I found out that he is anti Calvin. I asked our pastor if I can still listen to him and he told me most certainly not, he quoted Galatians 5:9 "a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump" he said we need to watch out for the false prophets who pervert the Gospel by adding their own private view to it.

The text say's "the Day of Christ." The interlinear says, "the day of the anointed." The word Christ means Anointed. Strong's says, the word Christ in "the Day of Christ", is "Christos".

Christ = "anointed"

1. Christ was the Messiah, the Son of God
2. anointed

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G5547&t=KJV

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

"Except" is a conjunction particle and means 'unless'. Thayer says, "a particle of negation". A conjunction is what's added to a statement opposed to a previous statement or was previously said. That means the verse should be accepted as it is written. Meaning...

The Day of Christ and the gathering will NOT come (negation)-unless/until/except there's first an apostasy. THEN the man of sin is disclosed.

Do you think Calvinist perverts the gospel by adding their own private view? It doesn't take much to become an anti-Calvanist. He has a horrendous record of persecuting people, even children.

We don't know who Gods elect are, only the believer himself and God know but nobody else can be sure.

Here is that heretic Charles Lawson below trying to convince his Church that they are in safe hands with him. I feel sorry for those poor people in his Church, he's leading them all astray. I was going to put a link up to one of his may attacks on Calvinism, but I won't in case you are led into further deception by him.

My pastor told me it's not good for me to fellowship with people like him, because they can poison the mind.

I haven't found anything added in the Calvin's teaching, he expounded on the scripture faithfully. He had the courage to deal with the hard doctrines and accept them as they are, while Arminius caved into to the demands of sinful men and took Gods glory and gave it to sinners to apiece them.
The Bible left nothing for man to boast about, all the honor and glory is ascribed to God so sinful man demanded some glory for himself and Arminius conjured up his man made gospel which puts wicked men on Gods throne.

Well I have never listened to him nor can I attest to his being a saved man but I would not tell someone to not listen to anyone who is anti-Calvinist just because they do not worship Calvin.

Now most Calvinists are far more rabid in their Calvinism that Calvin himself would have been. Modern Calvinists grossly over state all the five points of the TULIP.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Pardon me but you only know what your Calvinist teachers have told you about Calvin. Just the way you fashion your argument reveals that you because of what you have been taught feel it necessary to slay the straw man of Arminianism. Calvin started a religious movement that was part of the reformation. The reformation was in response to the Roman Catholic church teaching that salvation was based on works.

A little truth here and a little truth there four hundred years latter where did the truth go? Stop framing your beliefs on mans reasoning and reason from the scriptures. Not the reasoning that men have used to create isms to enslave people but the truth that Christ gives which sets men free.

My observation would be that Calvinists have more zeal for Calvin than they demonstrate for Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Those two ways are the only way of understanding that doctrine, there is no third way.

Are you a Jew under the law? In Exodus 16:23, we read - “This is what the Lord has said: Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning." In context, who was Moses speaking to? The children of Israel (verses 1,2,3,6,9,10,12,15,17).

Once again, Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

How are believers disregarding what God did at creation by not disregarding what Paul said in Colossians 2:16-17?

Whilst I do thoroughly enjoy slaying Arminian straw men, it must be remembered that there are only two ways to understand the scriptures which deal with how a person is saved. You know that the Bible supports Calvin's view far far far more than it does Arminius, if you only acknowledged that fact I would rest my case. Those two ways are the only way of understanding that doctrine, there is no third way.

Believing is not a work [...].

Correct, according to Romans 4 -

"5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

Are you a Jew under the law?

My observation would be that Calvinists have more zeal for Calvin than they demonstrate for Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Let me address this ^ here briefly with a question of my own. Do you believe Jesus [presently, ascended/exalted] STILL does not "know" (the following)? :

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.


I hear it repeatedly, that if you don't believe Jesus STILL does not "know," then you are calling God a LIAR! Because THESE VERSES SAY SO! (these are the ONLY two options the person allows for).


If you answer "yes, He still does not 'know'...," then I would say I disagree with you.

Here's my explanation of why:

--the CONTEXT is His Second Coming to the earth (not our Rapture--though there IS a Rapture as well, this context is not covering that subject)

--"know" is in the "perfect tense," which means that it is true up until another truth UPDATES it with further-info/any-changes

--in the Matt22 passage, verses 7-8 supply a specific SEQUENCE, with verse 7 referring to the events of 70ad ('burned up their city') and verse 8 telling of what happens AFTER THAT, "THEN SAITH HE to His servants"... Jesus was in Heaven during the "after 70ad" events, recall... yet this passage states "THEN SAITH HE to His Servants...". What we have in The Revelation, is (as stated in verse 1), "The Revelation of Jesus Christ WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM, TO SHEW UNTO His servants things which must come to pass [4:1] IN QUICKNESS [noun]..." [not events over the course of some 2000 yrs], and there He discloses FURTHER INFORMATION on THAT very subject


... therefore (and without explaining in detail, for lack of time), I believe Jesus has "known" ever since His resurrection/ascension/exaltation

... and later [95ad] gave FURTHER INFO on THAT very subject, which (especially for those living IN that future specific time period [see "servants of our God" in 7:4, for example]) ought to be able to come to "know"/understand, as well, if they will heed His Word (or those who are bringing it, at that time--We see the "a great multitude... of all the nations" in 7:9,14 who have responded favorably to the particular message of that future time period, for example). The thing is, we are told that many will disregard His Word at that time (just as in Noah's day... ).


[in the case of the Revelation (95ad) and the "THEN SAITH HE to His servants" v.8 of the Matt22 passage. From there, one can view what the earlier part of the passage says, and who and what THAT previous part is specifically referring to...]

Wow so you believe scripture based on what Calvin did? I highly doubt that the Lord intended for men to believe because of what Calvin is reported to have believed.

You really should listen to yourself sometime. Calvin this and Calvin that down with mean old Arminius. Wow where does Jesus fit into Calvinism?

Believing is not a work but working begins when you first believe.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I don't think the doctrine needs to be over complicated, most scriptures are plain enough to understand just as they are written. I think that predestination, election and free choice are plain enough so we don't need to compare the way they were spoken with those you outlined above.

To that, I will just say, I don't know how many Calvinist friends of mine have completely misquoted Eph1:4 to be saying [instead], "hath chosen us before the foundation of the world" (completely leaving out the very important fact and phrase of "IN HIM"... "hath chosen us IN HIM..."); and repeatedly say that there is no discernable difference (in their opinion) between the phrases "BEFORE [G4253 - pro] the foundation of the world" (as it says here) and "FROM [G575 - apo] the foundation of the world," of which [and this is just one thing], I believe there is a world of difference; and have incorrectly designated the "us" (of this text) to mean "all believers of all time periods" as a blanket statement applicable to all saints from the beginning of time (and even all throughout the future promised and prophesied earthly MK, following His "return" to the earth at His Second Coming [that is, clear to the GWTj]). Context is often disregarded. I agree it's plain, but changing such things to have them say something else is what I continually hear from my Calvinist friends, as I said.