If homosexuality is a sin, then why didn't Jesus say anything about it?

Lets look at Transgender Bathrooms

Targets 2016: that men who identify as women are welcome in the women’s restroom.

A recent study authored by the Woman Means Something campaign, incidents of men
attempting to look up the skirts of women while they use the restroom at Target have
more than doubled since this policy change. And overall incidents of voyeurism
(i.e. Peeping Tom offenses) have almost tripled.
http://womanmeanssomething.com/targetstudy/

Results: Sexual incidents increased over the course of the entire timeframe of the media reports.
In particular, voyeurism-related offenses (Upskirt and Peeping Tom) increased significantly after
the publication of Target’s gender-inclusion policy in April, 2016
https://www.christianpost.com/news/...ike-transgender-bathroom-policy-study-216795/
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http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...hey-say-recorded-girl-at-target-changing-room
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Outraged shoppers threatened to boycott Target for its restroom policies after a man
exposed himself to a child in the women’s restroom at a Target store in Chicago, Illinois.
http://www.businessinsider.com/targ...man-exposes-himself-in-womens-bathroom-2018-4
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YouGov data suggest 47 percent of American women are uncomfortable using a unisex toilet
in public (and there may be more unwilling to admit their discomfort to a YouGov pollster).
of 700,000 males who identify as female.
https://today.yougov.com/topics/lif...x-toilets-british-women-most-reluctant-share-

So Target is potentially alienating 60 million female customers to cater to the demands
of 700,000 males who identify as female.

But Target is not reconsidering its “gender-inclusive” restroom policies.
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Estimate of U.S. Transgender Population Doubles to 1.4 Million Adults
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/health/transgender-population.html
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Despite the fact that only 0.6 percent of Americans identify as transgender, this small but vocal
minority is bending large corporations like Target and numerous politicians and laws to their will.

Normally, endangering women and children to cater to about half a percent of the population would
be a spectacularly poor business decision. But Target executives are worried less about offending
women and children than they are about being labeled “transphobic.” Why?

At the end of the day, the transgender advocacy groups calling for unisex bathrooms are more
vocal and more organized than their opposition. They label as a bigot anyone who says a man
should not enter the women’s restroom. These accusations are successfully dominating the media
cycle and keeping the silent majority of Americans silent—and, in effect, submissive to this agenda
of cultural extremism.
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In the past, protecting women and children from Peeping Toms and sexual deviants was a moral
duty so basic that no one questioned it. Now, making men feel welcome in the women’s restroom is
a moral duty. And social justice moralists must condemn as a bigot anyone who opposes this.

The beliefs that abortion is murder, people are born male or female, and marriage is a union
between a man and a woman were considered obvious a generation ago. Now, expressing such
facts in public can get you into a lot of trouble.

Americans pride themselves on being tolerant, but this liberal “tolerance” runs in one direction.

When most of society strongly opposed homosexuals, transsexuals, abortion advocates and
other liberals, the strategy was to advocate tolerance over and over. But now that radical
liberal causes have grown stronger and the opposition has grown weaker, their strategy is
shifting away from the tolerance ideal and becoming much more aggressive.

This radical transformation in American culture illustrates how a vocal minority can punch
above its weight—to the point of knocking down a silent majority—precisely because that
majority is so weak-willed.

Many people have responded that Jesus spoke "through others" to say that homeosexuality is a sin ... but the real question/statement was that Jesus HIMSELF said the following about the matter:
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Seeing 8 pages of replies, many of them quite angry, many misinformed, many off-topic (eg: transgendered and even one about Target bathrooms . ... which has nothing to do with the topic .... suggests to me that we have been told that homosexuality is a greater sin than all other sins.

If all sin is the same, it can't be and therefore, it is undeserving of our ire and anger. Jesus loved all. I think he would be quite upset to see some of the comments here.

It was rape. You do not "demand" sex if it is consensual.

Many people have responded that Jesus spoke "through others" to say that child sacrifice and bestiality are sins ... but the real question/statement was that Jesus HIMSELF said the following about the matter:
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Many people have responded that Jesus spoke "through others" to say that pedophilia is a sin ... but the real question/statement was that Jesus HIMSELF said the following about the matter:
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Am I married to my wife and having a child because I did not have a choice? Is it not my responsibility?

This is the same kind of irresponsible destructive reasoning used by murderers on death row, pedophiles, drug addicts, and the list goes on.
Everyone has a choice. You might feel like a slave to your actions at times, but you are not. Everyone has been faced with questionable actions and everyone has given in to them at one point or other. The real problem is not that you gave in, but rather gave up. This is what causes people to live in the same cycle over and over.
Porn addiction is real. People have a choice. Buying into "I just can't help myself" is enabling the behavior.
There are a lot of sins that are not documented that Jesus spoke about. It doesn't mean he didn't. And you know that. But that is not what matters to you right now. You want justification. There isn't any. If you find anything that appeases you, I can assure you that it is more destructive and irresponsible nonsense. What you need is to turn away from the darkness that is searing your conscience. That is the truth. I tell you this because I care.

Posted this awhile back Blanche. These ARE Jesus' Words. I didn't see a response from you: Thanks



Jesus TWICE quotes Moses from Genesis: Matthew 19:
4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who[a]made them at the beginning ‘made them MALE and FEMALE,’ 5 and said,‘For this reason a MAN shall leave his FATHER and MOTHER and be joined to his WIFE, and the two shall become ONE FLESH’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”


Jesus does not even allow for the POSSIBILITY of homosexuality.

ANY sexual relationship outside of marriage between ONE woman and ONE man is sin.

That should answer the OPs question. Somehow I don't think it will. We'll see.

Markum, yes, of course you chose to marry and have a child BUT your choice is based on your sexual orientation (whom you are attracted to) ... and that sexual orientation ... heterosexual .. is NOT a choice. Honestly, I never chose to be straight and I am betting if we are all honest, the answer would be that we made no conscious choice. We just realized in early puberty that we were attracted to the opposite sex. No choice made. It is the same way for homosexuals. No choice. That IS what orientation means. That is what medical science says.
Why is this concept so difficult for other straight people (a few, not most) to understand? Let's leave the sinful part out for just one moment. If it is not a choice, and one is homosexual ... and it is a sin, the only choice they have is to be celibate.

I would agree with you that if a person feels attracted to somebody who am I to say that they really don't?
Where I would definitely disagree is that We can leave sin out of it on this discussion.

I'm pretty sure I was born with the desire to have sexual relations with just about any woman I find desirable. Does my desire therefore make it ok for me to indulge the lusts my flesh have?
This is why it is so vital that we preach Jesus Christ as the ONLY Way of Salvation.

I do not believe it is possible to DESTROY these sinful desires WITHOUT The Holy Spirit In us after being born again.

So it is an entirely irrelevant point as to whether homosexuals were born that way. We ALL have a sin nature. We are broken, and our hearts are desperately wicked. That's why Jesus came. To give us NEW hearts, and make us a NEW creation. Not for us to excuse our sin, but for Him to pay our sin debt and give us the power to deny our sinful lusts.

The same people who say homosexuality is not sin are the same people who will say child sacrifice, bestiality and pedophilia are not sins at some point. Many of them already do.

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Your attempt of ...slanting....towards ...ok...is glaring.
The Bible says ...homosexuality.... is an abomination. Is n't that enough?
If He addressed it ...on a Tuesday...you would say He didn't address it on Sunday, etc.

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Were you taught this or do you honestly feel this? I was never taught that I am inherently bad and wicked or that I have no heart. I feel quite the opposite in fact. Yes, I am a sinner, but wicked and evil .... no way. Humans possess compassion and empathy .. some lesser and some more ... but being in possession of this, one cannot be "desperately wicked". Essentially, babies are not born evil .. they learn to be or not to be. There are a number of tests done on very young babies that demonstrate that we all start out essentially empathetic.

Where did you learn this idea? I have never heard of anyone who says homosexuality is not a greivous sin also say that child sacrific, bestiality and pedophilia (all horrendous acts) that HARM OTHER UNCONSENTING people) is okay. No one.

We are children of Adam, and therefore are born with a fallen, sinful nature. This all throughout Scripture. I believe babies, and children under the age of accountability, although sinful, are blameless before God, and are ALL saved.

Yes our hearts are desperately wicked. That's why we need a new heart, that Jesus gives us when we are born again. In fact, the Bible says we are DEAD in our sin. Now you either believe the Word, or you don't. God's Word is our ultimate teacher.
Jeremiah 17:9 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 “The heart is deceitful above all things,
And [a]desperately wicked;
Who can know it?
2 Timothy 3:16-17 New King James Version (NKJV)
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [a]instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Now can you please address post 167? Thank you

But there definitely are people who believe that bestiality and pedophilia are OK between CONSENTING parties, and that abortion is OK. Are you one of these?

Am I one of these? are you joking? Why would you even ask me such a question? You brought it up trying to conflate it with homosexuals. It does not conflate. The studies prove me out.

Neither bestiality (animal cannot consent with human) nor pedophilia (child cannot consent with adult) are consensual. Never. Ever. There may be some very sick, perverted people who believe this, but they are in the huge minority.

I will give a piece of my own experience.
Ive noticed that often spiritual factors end up in desires like "homosexual orientation"
Often when people partake in cults, rtuals, or have been abused (or family members) often people become "bi" or "gay"
now in the time that I was into occultism i suddenly started having exacly that issue that I started to find woman attractive.
I sat myself down and comppletely rejected these thoughts (Ive had God in my heart somewhere all along the way) and after rejecting them it was gone. Then when I got saved it tried to pop back up and in Jesus name I completely got rid of all desires of the same sex.
It IS a choice. When we accept a title like being gay, you let the enemy get you and keep you in that place.
If you take it and cast it away from you, resist it, it will be gone. It doesnt matter if its an urge to same sex, murder or theft. That is how it works. Once you accept it into your life, it will stay as long as it can. The longer you let it stay the stronger it will become.
If you immedeately refuse it and dont partake in it, it cant get a hold and its done.

All in the end is a choice because u can do or be nothing without agreeing with it in your head first. That is how we are created. A man cannot lay with a woman if he doesnt want to in his head. unless its rape. Even there, u cannot rape someone without agreeing to to it in your mind first.
One problem that I find with "gay christians" is that they feel comfortable in their gay lifestyle and make loopholes in their own minds to keep them there. As soon as u confront them with their false life or preaching, they either break down in shame or get agressive.
Its simply people lying to themselves.
rant over lol

I ask such a question because your reasoning and words are indistinguishable from those used by the secular world.

Yet those sick, perverted people do exist and are clamoring for normalization of their views, just as you are for the sick, perverted homosexual view. And their views would become the norm if perversion of the truth is allowed to continue, just as you are preverting the truth and trying to make it appear normal. Your appeal to "science" is completely bogus because science is servant to the money that funds it; whatever the money wants is whatever the science produces. Take it from one trained in science.

You seemed to have missed the group that believes that children are able to give consent, or that consent is not the issue since all beings are sexual from birth and therefore there is no choice to be made.

This actually aligns very well with your misguided notion that homosexuality is a birth right and not a compulsion.

Btw they are not a huge minority....do some real research.

The majority of your information is based on inconclusive information that cannot be refuted because of a lack of knowledge. In other words, a person states that they don't recall making the decision and comes to the conclusion that it therefore must have never happened. I am sure you can see the fallacy in that.

So you have to broaden your view on it. Simple logic can give you the answer.

Are you asserting that all of the people that claim that they recall when they first had "urges" are wrong? I have met many that claim they remember when they first "decided" they were gay. Yet according to you, they are mistaken?

Also, what about all of people that were gay, but are no more. You would have them still labeled as gay because somehow their preference was preordained in their DNA (which is NOT medical as you have stated)?

Finally, how can you claim that one sexual preference is predetermined, but others aren't? That defies all reasoning. One person was born gay, while another CHOSE bestiality? That kind of self-serving logic is called "hypocrisy".

I find it disturbing that you think men and women are programmed in such a way that subverts their free will. And yet, if that were true, how could such a horrible thing not be considered horrid.