What must I do to be saved

I thought 'real' believers never leave. So, you are either saying that the Parable of the Prodigal Son is not a proof text for 'once saved always saved', or you believe the new Freegrace version of once saved always saved which says that even if you leave the faith you are still saved. Which are you?



No, salvation is lost due to your unbelief.



This is the MAIN reason people can not hear what I'm saying. They instantly think that I'm saying salvation is lost by sinning. I'm saying salvation is lost by a return to unbelief. That is what the Galatians were doing. Paul warned them they will lose the efficacy of Christ in justification and will not be heirs if they fall away from faith and trust in Christ for justification.


No. Once God turns you over to your unbelief and you lose salvation, that's it. You don't get a second chance to be born again. God does not allow his Son to be re-crucified and put to open shame that way.




Ultimately, unforgiveness is a sign of unbelief. Ultimately, the forgiven Christian who does not forgive is living away from God in unbelief. If he does not repent in the space God provides, he will be condemned as an unbeliever when Jesus comes back to settle accounts.


Reread Matthew 18:23-35 again. He WILL do that. Or do you not believe the scriptures?

Like I say, getting red-pilled is not easy:


Red pill and blue pill
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill

The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are a popular cultural meme, a metaphor representing the choice between:

• Knowledge, freedom, and the brutal truths of reality (red pill)
• Security, happiness and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)

The terms, popularized in science fiction culture, are derived from the 1999 film The Matrix. In the film, the main character Neois offered the choice between a red pill and a blue pill by rebel leader Morpheus. The red pill would free him from the enslaving control of the machine-generated dream world and allow him to escape into the real world, but living the "truth of reality" is harsher and more difficult. On the other hand, the blue pill would lead him back to stay in the comfortable simulated reality of the Matrix.

Amen brother! Also NO CROP/FRUIT "except" in the 4th soil. It amazes how the same people who point to James chapter 2 and shout "faith without works is dead" from the roof tops will turnaround and say that "fruitless" faith (shallow, temporary belief) in the parable of the soils represents saving faith.

If soil #2 was fruitless you'd have a point for discussion. But as it is, Jesus plainly said the word was growing in that person and produced the fruit of joy.

Whew...anyway..either you have faith or you dont..people accept jesus all the time but CHOSE to do things THIER way instead of GODS way..does that mean that God stomps his feet..gets vengeful and says "just for that im taking your salvation away? ABSERD

..besides if you dudnt have faith how could you concieve Gods love for you to accept him anyway...?

Btw..not blue or red pill..purple please?

If soil #2 was fruitless you'd have a point for discussion. But as it is, Jesus plainly said the word was growing in that person and produced the fruit of joy.

Faith without works is not faith at all.

the fruits of the spirit are manifested essence of the faith inside that are nurture ir cut off (pruned) ..question is..what kind of "fruit" are we bearing?

Soil #2 was fruitless, so I do have a point. I already refuted your argument in post #476. - https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/what-must-i-do-to-be-saved.177680/page-24

Whew...anyway..either you have faith or you dont..

Its offucial..youre completely off your rocker..lol. You dont listen to other people but are entagled with confusion and wish to bring tgat on others dispite others showing you truth. Its not my job to argue with you but pray that God will open your eyes and give you wisdom and understanding as people have been patient with your continued stubborness...

You hit the nail on the head!

BANG!

If soil #2 was fruitless you'd have a point for discussion. But as it is, Jesus plainly said the word was growing in that person and produced the fruit of joy.

Hey, mailman, if you want to keep your blinders on and prefer to only see what 'once saved always saved' let's you see that's your privilege. Prolly best you just move on and don't look at my posts anymore.

Joy is a fruit of the spirit.

please, quit trying to make a science project out of salvation. The printing press was only invented about 500 years ago. Since there were almost no books, most people couldn't read. Jews being a notable exception. Reading the scrolls was required in order to become a man. Their was no new testament before the Counsel of Trent. People still got saved.

If someone wants to read the bible and sees it as some kind of theological OBSTICLE course, and argue like opposing lawers about the finer points of scripture, Fine, they'll make goo d seminary students but Grace dosn't depend on your or my point of view or education. JESUS SAVES!

please, quit trying to make a science project out of salvation. The printing press was only invented about 500 years ago. Since there were almost no books, most people couldn't read. Jews being a notable exception. Reading the scrolls was required in order to become a man. Their was no new testament before the Counsel of Trent. People still got saved.

If someone wants to read the bible and sees it as some kind of theological OBSTICLE course, and argue like opposing lawers about the finer points of scripture, Fine, they'll make goo d seminary students but Grace dosn't depend on your or my point of view or education. JESUS SAVES!

I made my point (that Ralph twisted) in post #476. - https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/what-must-i-do-to-be-saved.177680/page-24

It sounds like what you're saying is I'm talking over your head. Which I probably am. I know that most people in the church have little personal knowledge of the Bible to have even a reasonable base knowledge of scripture from which to understand what I'm saying. I'm well aware of this.