Oh goody another OSAS thread!

How is what you listed (new creation, having eternal life, being dead/alive) following Christ?

I have just done a quick search on fell away, fallen away, fall away, abandoned as in abandoned their faith, turned away.

This doesn't fit that criteria:
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. (Heb 6:4-6 KJV)

Neither does this, but they are both concerning:
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
2 Timothy 4:3-4

Other verses that speak of the perils that beset us are:
Heb_6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Mar_4:15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

Luk_9:25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?

1Ti 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

2Ti_4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Heb_12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

2Pe_3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

Rev_22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

I care. You need to tell me what NOSAS is.

I would suggest it is only them that could follow seeing no nan can come unless the father is drawing new creatures, or as many as the father has given to the Son

That is true, but it didn't answer the question.

I have had endless discussions on another forum with people who insist Jesus was only a man like Moses. I have shown them scriptures that speak of Christ's divinity, which they deny. Do you think they are saved if they accept a man into their lives?

The debate I had with them is similar to the debate I am having with you regarding OSAS. There seems to be a shallowness of understanding. For all I know OSAS could be a drink you find on the supermarket shelves.

And if they refuse to believe in the divinity of the Saviour, what then, will they be saved?

If a topic continues being debated is why nobody peruses the Holy Scripture enough to find out the truth.

It would depend on how we define the word faith as a work or called a labor of love as to where it comes from and who it belongs to , The scripture defines natural man as having "no faith", not little, but none.

If a person defines faith as the imagination of one own heart then they simply would follow their conscience as if they were in the place God. But God is greater than our heart he knows all things and is able to discern what is on the inside as to intent. Man who is left with the imaginations of his own heart can only see what is on the outside .

We guard of new heats... they provide the well spring (gospel) of eternal life not seen

Timed out......

Many?...I haven't seen one ....yet.....for OSAS.......do you plan to post one?

(what you are taking out of context is;.....when G-d says we are ...saved....we are eternally saved. That does not happen until after physical death). That cannot be applied to our earthly existence when we repent and are baptized.

If you are not saved now you will not be saved after death. The presence of the Holy Spirit is the seal and the evidence of our salvation right here and now.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Read John, chapter 8 Jesus is explaining Who He is, and says, "if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

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(obviously per scripture).

That is a ...spin....unrelated to the question.

These questions are to make people think, but nobody did. You knew.

All these topics have been debated since Christ. Hundreds of books have been written, besides which the answers are in the Bible, but for some reason, people who in the main haven't had the teaching, think they have all the answers. The result is that error is compounded with error.

I agree for the most part.

However, faith without the corresponding act of obedience is dead, or inactive, and will not produce the intended divine result.

JUst as a body, without the spirit is dead, or inactive.


This is the law or principle by which faith operates or functions.



JPT

No.

They were making themselves slaves under the law. And Paul explains in chapter 4 that slaves under the law are not heirs with the sons of the New Covenant.



It's clear that they had not fallen away so as to be beyond correction, yet. God had not turned them over to their unbelief. If he had there would be no letter to the Galatians written to be in our Bibles. Paul would have had nothing to do with them.



Yes, they are trying to justify themselves. They are trying to earn God's pronouncement of righteous perfection. I thought we all understood this.



Yes, still time to correct the error for these Galatians. The simple fact Paul is trying to do that shows us that. So, no argument here. Perhaps you can explain this to EG.



Because they hadn't lost it yet. He is warning them that they will because slaves of the old covenant are not heirs along with the sons of the New Covenant. He explains this to them in the hope they will turn back to justification in Christ. Obviously, this indicates they still can come back and that God has not turned them over to their unbelief. Continuing in their sin would most certainly eventually result in them forfeiting their salvation and becoming the enemies of God (Hebrews 10:26-29).



Missed this. No time to respond. Time out looming.....


Since you have been taught to basically ignore everything to the left of Matthew you don't know that he is not using hyperbole at all. Do you know why Paul would wish that these Pharisees who are teaching justification by works of the law would go the whole way and emasculate themselves? What does the law say happens to such a person that Paul would want that to happen to them?



Ah, yes. The famous 'black and white' thinking of the church.

Stop thinking that since a group of people are lost that means absolutely nothing of what they say or believe is true. This is the very thing that makes dogmatic, closed-off Christians quite distasteful to the world.[/QUOTE]