Should guns be used for self defense?

What you seem to be unable to grasp is that Northern Ireland is considered a nation all by itself. As is Scotland. As is England. They are countries all of their own. Not states. Countries.

We make our own laws. That includes gun laws. Northern Ireland's gun laws are not the same as England, Wales, or Scotland. Nor are our knife laws.

The London based, English government has less say in our affairs than it does England, Wales and Scotland. We're on separate islands.

Northern Ireland has the approximate population of my city, Philadelphia, at under 2 million people.

A staggering 99% of which are white. You are almost completely homogeneous. Illegal immigrants basically have to swim to get to your shores. Aside from sporadic bombings you have never made a concerted effort to break free from Englands grip and experienced total freedom from them.

We have.

That is why so many of us know that relinquishing our constitutional right to bear arms has more to do with the ability to resist a despotic government than solely for self defense.

You've no idea what you're talking about. There are loads of immigrants here. Polish. Lithuanian. German. Czech. Spanish. American etc.

I'm not gonna dignify the rest.

You don't have to dignify it. Here are the statistics:

Demography of Northern Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are lithuanians mostly white? Are Polish people mostly white? Are Czechs mostly white?
Just because a population is white, doesn't mean there are no immigrants.

Second, I doubt the illegal ones put their names down for state benefits.

'Aside from a few sporadic bombings' ...

Three times as many British soldiers were killed during the troubles than in Iraq and Afghanistan. There were 8,000 British Troops in Afghanistan in total throughout the war. There were 28,000 in Northern Ireland during the troubles.

It wasn't a 'few sporadic bombings'.

I don't really see what this has to do with the topic.

I saw what you advocated for Jhana and the results of what you advocated for have already dramatically failed in nations that with large land masses that implemented what you advocated for.

But let's take a look at even your small island example which is the best case scenario for your argument. As usual, your argument fails when the statistics are reviewed.

Norway has a civilian gun ownership rate, per capita, far higher than Ireland. See them compared here: Compare Norway – Rate of Civilian Firearm Possession per 100 Population

BUT Norway has a gun homicide rate far lower, per capita, than Ireland. See them compared here:

Norway: Norway – Rate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People 0.04 stable from 2010 thru 2012.

Ireland: Ireland – Rate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People 0.45 for 2010 to 0.24 for 2012 then up to 0.25 in 2012.

The difference is that Norway has nationwide gun safety training so citizens are comfortable with their weapons and know how to be responsible for them, and less gun control which means they have a lot more guns and of the kind that allow them to adequately defend themselves which acts as a present and very real deterrent to criminals.

You want to use totalitarianism to deprive everyone in the world the ability to adequately defend themselves against illegally armed criminals who can make fully functioning firearms whenever they want to and it isn't working.

Even if you side with the anti-Christ and require everyone to register to buy and sell anything, you won't be able to stop the world from making firearms Jhana. All you'll do is make it easier for criminals and the government to severely persecute unarmed moral people that follow your inane laws that put them at risk from both.

And you apparently never got this memo: Republicans in Northern Ireland look to Taliban for weapons - Crime - UK - The Independent

Ireland is not Northern Ireland. There is a border. the IRA have been dealing with the Taliban, Mujahideen, Russians, and whoever else for years, nothing new. So have the US Department of Defense and NORAID, where plush American celebrities buy guns for Irish Republican Terrorists.

You like to use your pointing finger, don't you? I want less people dead. That's what I want.

You don't know me.

EDIT. Apparently Sweden has several figures for the same year, and more firearm deaths per capita than Ireland now.
Compare Norway – Rate of All Gun Deaths per 100,000 People

Just so happens all my previous statistics were pooled from lots of different, official government website publications and police reports. It's all well and good saying it doesn't work, but the proof is in the pudding. Guns in NORTHERN IRELAND are illegal as are knives. Knife crime is very low, gun crime and gun related death is very low.

What happens when ya can't buy or sell to get food unless you show your allegiance to the enemy
What are you gonna hunt with? Where will you get food?

Do you think a knife is the problem?
What about the enemy satan himself getting Christians to think its best to have no form of self defense so all he has to do if Christians are disarmed is say..." ok now send in the troops who do have guns"

And its Nazi Germany all over again.

Will less people die that way?

Paranoid much?

You're myopically focused on a small portion of a relatively small island involved in a long running religious civil war Jhana and trying to extrapolate that to the entire world. It's ignorant. And you're doing that in the face of repeated refutation of your false assertions. You're acting like a developmentally disabled person.

And what I said exactly was:

"All you are doing is depriving people of their human right to self-defense against armed criminals which makes you morally complicit in their victimization (e.g. murder, maiming, robbery, etc...).

You're a perpetrator of criminality because you ensure that people are unable to defend themselves against criminals who always have access to firearms which, as has been shown to you in this thread, are easily made from completely benign parts obtainable from any local hardware store."

... which is true.

So while you may want less people dead, your misinformed position ensures more people die (specifically unarmed moral people).

Lol no, open your eyes and look around
its called being prepared.

Wait...you don't know how to hunt for your own food do ya?
Ok sorry never mind...

You know gun rights folks are right and aren't paranoid when the liberal president of the USA is sending your tax money to help rebels over seas get guns so they can overthrow their tyrannical government. That's almost as crazy as the Pope buying birth control for Sandra Fluke.

And who would those rebels in other countries now be loyal to?

Here's Norway, Sweden, and Ireland's civilian gun ownership rate: Compare Norway – Rate of All Gun Deaths per 100,000 People

Here's Sweden's gun homicide rate per capita: Sweden – Rate of Homicide per 100,000 People (any method)

Here's Ireland's gun homicide rate per capita: Ireland – Rate of Gun Homicide per 100,000 People

As you can see, Sweden is at 0.9 while Ireland is at 0.25.

What you're omitting; however, is the mass immigration of violent non-Swedes into Sweden are committing the bulk of gun homicides in Sweden.

Immigrants are overrepresented in Sweden's crime statistics. In a study by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention in 1997-2001, 25% of the almost 1,520,000 offences were found to be committed by people born abroad, while almost 20% were committed by Swedish-born people with a foreign background.

In the study, immigrants were found to be four times more likely to be investigated for lethal violence and robbery than ethnic Swedes. In addition, immigrants were three times more likely to be investigated for violent assault, and five times more likely to be investigated for sex crimes. They commit the bulk of gun homicides with those from North Africa and Western Asia the primary offenders.

Sweden made the mistake of importing violent criminals into their midst who illegally obtained guns and used them to commit homicides which greatly drove up their gun homicide rate per capita.

Gun control will only empower this demographic. The only thing holding them in check are guns in the hands of law enforcement and the law abiding citizenry. Sweden recently voted to reduce immigration of these people into their nation. Crime was the reason cited.

Apples and oranges as usual Jhana. You're off again.

Unfortunately to Allah, Islam, Jihad, etc.

Them dudes you've mentioned yes and possibly since them Gods aren't real and can't provide nothing, could it also possibly be the one providing them their toys along with the most handsome paycheck?

Your Knife Is Your Life

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Ray Mears - How to sharpen a knife at camp, Bushcraft Survival - YouTube

These people truly understand the need for an armed citizenry.

Ukrainian Citizens Demand Their Own Second Amendment in Constitution | The Gateway Pundit

How do I 'ensure' that people are unarmed? How is it, that in any way, shape or form, I 'ensure' that? Am I a law maker? How can I deprive people of anything, if I have no authority to deprive them of those things, by choice? I do not vote for this simple reason. I am not a politician. I do not stand for office. I do not work in government. I do not perpetrate any criminality in depriving people of the right of defense, because although I share the statistics from my own country, which has laws that I had NO part in implementing, I do not take part in the making or implementing of any such laws.

How, then, do I 'perpetrate criminality in disallowing people to defend themselves'?

How can I cause innocents to be killed by armed men, when I have no part in the laws of disarmament except to comment on how they have, for all intents and purposes, reduced gun and knife crime?

How can you condemn me as a perpetrator of criminality?

Jesus said 'put away your sword, because any who live by the sword, die by the sword'. And I will assume what he meant was also 'put away your gun' or 'put away your knife'.

How is it that I am condemned by you for causing people death by advocating such a practice, even though I have no secular authority to make this law?