Why Is It So Wrong?

[Outcast4God]

Dear Friends,

I have been struggling with this question for a few years now. If you could please help me understand. I would greatly appriciate it.
Why is being homosexual/ bisexual a sin? Why is it so wrong?
I have a lot of friends and family who are gay, lesbian or bi. Some of them are very strong christians. I know in the Bible it says that homosexuality is a sin. What I don't understand is why God would make you one way & then condemn you to Hell for being that way. It makes no sense. And if you love God and follow him, being strong in your faith, why should you be judged?
Even if someone is gay or lesbian or bi why does the Church have to descriminate? Jesus died FOR THE SINNERS. He dined with them, talked with them, healed them. Why does the church preach fear and hate against these people? Aren't we, as the Church, the Body of Christ, supposed to be an example and bring these people into our midst? Instead of pushing them away and making them more distanced from God... why don't we get out of our shallow mindsets, see that they are people too, and invite them to find Christ and see the truth?

Thank you.

 

[flight316]

God makes the rules. He designed us to engage with the opposite sex. That's how the plumbing works. If you choose something different than that the consequences are yours to face. I know that the gay lifestyle is everywhere theses days and I understand people wanting to live a certain way. But God says no. You have the free will to do what you please. But you will have to deal with God on that matter. LoveAlways

 

[MidniteWelder]

And if you love God and follow him, being strong in your faith, why should you be judged?

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Well, what If a man says he Loves his wife, and he very well may mean so yet still continually makes the choice to keep cheating on his wife choosing his own way...............
Is that so wrong,
and just what if he says well God made me this way honey, cmon just accept me, I still love you TOOOOOOOO as much as my selfish desires

Get my point

We cant serve two masters, it just dont work that way
This means we cant serve ourselves and God
and we cant serve satan and God either
we cant serve the flesh AND the spirit if we really love God Jesus said we will OBEY him
obey means just do it whether we understand it like it or agree with it or not
The understanding may come later after he offers it to us for choosing him first and believing he is right first without questioning him or his reasons or his rules or his commands.

Yet within our free will
On ones judgement day God will say...

Yes I know what YOU wanted, and I went ahead and let you do that
But you were suppose to choose me
You were suppose to make yourself a sacrifice to me as I made myself a sacrifice to you so you
WOULD NOT have to be condemned.

Yeah I know, we all want to be accepted the way we are no matter what
THis is what Satan actually tricks people to believe
This isnt what God nor the bible teaches for his followers
Satan is the one who actually accepts people to HIS side no matter what to let them remain as they were before accepting God
Offering people a multitude of excuses to think they can use against Gods commands
But what God says is this
We are suppose to crucify ourselves to the flesh and serve God in spirit, die to our old self
And be born again to him

Its all in the bible if one chooses to read it

22Many will say to me on that day, &#8216;Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?&#8217;</SPAN> 23Then I will tell them plainly, &#8216;I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!&#8217;

Sexual sin is one of the greatest sins
Its an abomination against natural relations the way God designed it to be

People may believe there is a God and they may even love him
Yet if one constantly chooses to serve themselves over God in ANY way
They're cheating on God the very same as a man telling his wife he loves her and keeps hurting her by being faithful to serve more than just her with himself as a sacrifice.

If you were the wife being pushed to the side and chosen last all the time over others after sacrificing yourself completely for his salvation
How would you feel
You may eventually say...I never really knew you

 

[jimmydiggs]

The marriage relationship is one of the strongest symbols of the relationship between Christ and his Bride (The Body of Christ) that we have on earth. To violate that is kind of a big deal. You are taking what God has set forth as a symbol of the relationship for us, and violating it.

 

[jimmydiggs]

The marriage relationship is one of the strongest symbols of the relationship between Christ and his Bride (The Body of Christ) that we have on earth. To violate that is kind of a big deal. You are taking what God has set forth as a symbol of the relationship for us, and violating it.

Felt I should state that, this is in addition to other matters.

 

[Spenney7]

I hope my answer doesn't seem too harsh, because I mean it with the greatest intentions and love...

Being homosexual is wrong. It is a sin because The Bible says it is. ( Leviticus 18:22, 20:13; I Cor 6:9, 10, 13, 18) Now, the big question that most people don't get an answer for is why would God say homosexuality is a sin? Well, the average homosexual lives 24 years less than the average heterosexual. It is dangerous. God said do not lie with a man as you do a woman for the same reason he says to wash your hands, dont eat pork, or stay away from people when they are sick. Another reason God created us was to reproduce. (Genesis 1:28, 3:16; Psalm 127:3-5, 128:5)

Now for the second half of my answer, I would like to apologize to you on behalf of the church. It sounds like you have been judged and condemned. That is not the place of man, but of God. (Matthew 7:1; Luke 6:37, 41; John 8:7; Romans 2:1, 14:10, 14:13; I Corinthians 4:5; James 4:11) I can see that you have a good understanding of what it means to be a Christ-like character. My advise is to live like Christ, just like the Bible says to do. Forgive everyone an unlimited amount of times, and love them like God loves them. God does not see bad in people, and people should work everyday to see through God's eyes and not our own.

Austin

 

[Ugly]

Firstly, God did not 'make' people homosexual. We are all born with the desire to sin. Some people have a tendency to sin by being violent, some by drinking to much, some by drugs, some by sleeping around, some by stealing.. etc... and some by homosexuality. Its not that God made anyone gay, its that we have a desire to sin, and that sin manifests itself differently in different people. God did not make a person homosexual, his sinful desires did.

While i know there are some churches that teach a hateful message, and i do not accept those churches as part of the body of Christ (personal opinion), but the average church i've yet to hear any 'hate' towards gays. This is a propaganda technique put out by gays that anyone who speaks against homosexuality is automatically hateful and homophobic, but that is simply not true. I am against homosexuality, i am not hateful of gays, nor am i homophobic. Most people don't even seem to know what the word 'homophobic' even means, judging by its regular misuse. So i think the claims of discrimination against gays by the church is blown way out of proportion. Most Christians i've ever known well were all against homosexuality, but never treated one badly. All of them would have loved to have seen them saved.

Also, you have to bear in mind the homosexual movement is very aggressive and forceful. And much of the movement is very anti-Christian as well. They are not stopping at asking for a few rights, but there is a strong agenda to push homosexuality onto our children at very young ages. There is a push that if you don't fully support the homosexual agenda you are an enemy of the cause and automatically deemed hateful and a homophobe. They don't allow any in between. For them or against them, black and white. Its easy to see how people who are forced into this choice could become frustrated, angry and defensive. The extreme mentality of the homosexual movement actually creates a level of hostility by not allowing middle ground and attacking anyone that doesn't support them.
I know for me, i am against it, but i have known and worked with a number of gays, and had no trouble with them. I don't hate or fear them, but i am against their lifestyle. But i do get frustrated sometimes, at the homosexuals, because though i'm not a person to trash homosexuals, or be mean or hateful to them, because i disagree i'm labeled a homophobe, yeah, it pisses me off and can sometimes cause me to have negative feelings towards them and can at times make it harder to be accepting of them as people. They bring a lot of the negativity down on themselves.

 

[Jordache]

God did not create people with homosexual desires. Homosexuality is a result of Adam's sin. It occurs because of the fall. It is not biological in the sense that the world wants you to believe. God has the power to overcome all sin.

 

[Shaije]

Dear Friends,

I have been struggling with this question for a few years now. If you could please help me understand. I would greatly appriciate it.
Why is being homosexual/ bisexual a sin? Why is it so wrong?
I have a lot of friends and family who are gay, lesbian or bi. Some of them are very strong christians. I know in the Bible it says that homosexuality is a sin. What I don't understand is why God would make you one way & then condemn you to Hell for being that way. It makes no sense. And if you love God and follow him, being strong in your faith, why should you be judged?
Even if someone is gay or lesbian or bi why does the Church have to descriminate? Jesus died FOR THE SINNERS. He dined with them, talked with them, healed them. Why does the church preach fear and hate against these people? Aren't we, as the Church, the Body of Christ, supposed to be an example and bring these people into our midst? Instead of pushing them away and making them more distanced from God... why don't we get out of our shallow mindsets, see that they are people too, and invite them to find Christ and see the truth?

Thank you.

This is a very good question. Even though i can't hear your voice, i can sense your pain over this issue. My heart goes out to you. I dont know if you are gay or just struggling with it because of the pain you have seen others go through. Either way....here's my 2 cents. I do NOT condone, nor do i condemn homosexuality. I DO, however trust in the Lord to be a just God. Having said that, God and Jesus hate the sin of homosexuality....BUT They LOVE the sinner. And you are right, we are Not to be judging others, (with a condemning heart) BUT we are suppose to call people to follow the Lord in righteousness. Homosexuality isn't natural. Ephesians 5:30-31 For we are members of "His body," of "His flesh," of "His bones." "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."> We are called to LOVE one another...Jesus told Peter that if he loved Him, "to feed His sheep." (john 21:15-17) Keep this in mind, Jesus is the judge, He doesn't need our help. So, while we are called to be loving, kind, compassionate, giving and forgiving....we are not told to "indulge in" or "overlook" what the Lord has deemed sinful. And one of the BIG lies that the devil has perpetrated upon and amongst Gods people is that, "God made you that way!" WRONG! don't buy what the devil is selling. Homosexuality is a CHOICE. Just like being a drunk, a drug addict, an adulterer, a child abuser...etc. The devil has his hand in ALL of these things. God LOVES all of us...BUT HE does NOT love sin....plain and simple....CUT and DRY. My suggestion to you is to pray to the Creator and Overseer of YOUR soul, and ask Him to bring you comfort. He wont let you down. I too, have struggled with this very thing. He is in control, we don't need to, nor should we worry about things that we CANNOT control. Gods speed young follower, i will leave you with this....Philippians 4:4-7 Rejoice in the Lord always. Again I will say rejoice! Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand. Be Anxious for nothing, but in EVERYTHING by prayer and supplication, with Thanksgiving, let Your requests be made known to God; And the PEACE of God, which surpasses ALL understanding, WILL guard your hearts and minds through CHRIST Jesus. AMEN

 

[Shaije]

This is a very good question. Even though i can't hear your voice, i can sense your pain over this issue. My heart goes out to you. I dont know if you are gay or just struggling with it because of the pain you have seen others go through. Either way....here's my 2 cents. I do NOT condone, nor do i condemn homosexuality. I DO, however trust in the Lord to be a just God. Having said that, God and Jesus hate the sin of homosexuality....BUT They LOVE the sinner. And you are right, we are Not to be judging others, (with a condemning heart) BUT we are suppose to call people to follow the Lord in righteousness. Homosexuality isn't natural. Ephesians 5:30-31 For we are members of "His body," of "His flesh," of "His bones." "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."> We are called to LOVE one another...Jesus told Peter that if he loved Him, "to feed His sheep." (john 21:15-17) Keep this in mind, Jesus is the judge, He doesn't need our help. So, while we are called to be loving, kind, compassionate, giving and forgiving....we are not told to "indulge in" or "overlook" what the Lord has deemed sinful. And one of the BIG lies that the devil has perpetrated upon and amongst Gods people is that, "God made you that way!" WRONG! don't buy what the devil is selling. Homosexuality is a CHOICE. Just like being a drunk, a drug addict, an adulterer, a child abuser...etc. The devil has his hand in ALL of these things. God LOVES all of us...BUT HE does NOT love sin....plain and simple....CUT and DRY. My suggestion to you is to pray to the Creator and Overseer of YOUR soul, and ask Him to bring you comfort. He wont let you down. I too, have struggled with this very thing. He is in control, we don't need to, nor should we worry about things that we CANNOT control. Gods speed young follower, i will leave you with this....Philippians 4:4-7 Rejoice in the Lord always. Again I will say rejoice! Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand. Be Anxious for nothing, but in EVERYTHING by prayer and supplication, with Thanksgiving, let Your requests be made known to God; And the PEACE of God, which surpasses ALL understanding, WILL guard your hearts and minds through CHRIST Jesus. AMEN

Let me be clear with this statement: (i too have struggled with this very thing.) I am NOT gay. My struggle has been with how to be in line with the Lords wishes... loving His people, NOT judging them.

 

[shawntc]

I would also like to add this: having homosexual desires is not sinful, anymore than me (a heterosexual) having desires for women. The sin comes in when you act upon them in ways God does not approve. For homosexual and heterosexual alike, it's when we act upon those desires by lusting after someone or trying to have sexual activities with them. A person who has homosexual desires is not automatically condemned. It's the behavior that God said we should not do. But as always, there's the good news. If a person has engaged in homosexual behavior, they can find forgiveness by turning away from it and seeking to please God with how they handle themselves sexually. Is it a tall order? Perhaps, but I think everyone has some kind of sin or another that they struggle to completely stay away from.

 

[Aqua_Girl09]

I compare it to lieing. everyone has the compulsion to lie. and many people struggle with it. but its a SIN none the less. not something that should just be accepted but those people shouldn't just be condemned either. the sin itself is what bad, not the person.

some people have it confused that they should hate the person doing the sin. but its the sin that God dislikes. he Love the person.

 

[Jemuel]

well i came into a conclusion of this matter. K.I.S.S them.

K- Keep
I- It
S- Short and
S-Simple

Everyone is not always right BUT we have to treat them right.

And as bible believing peeps, we do commit mistakes and also would like to be treated right......

God bless everyone

Glory to the risen king

 

[jimmydiggs]

@shawntc and aqua_girl

I think we have to be more careful about the question of desire. Is wanting to lie a bad thing? Yes. Is wanting sexual activity outside of marriage wrong? Yes. The latter we call lust.

 

[Sonofjesuschrist]

If they were strong christians they would fear God, and stop being Gay or lesbian, some of us are called to stay single and just love god.
So if Ur gay and love God stay single thats it. we try and build a god that wont judge Ur sins. thats and Idol.
The god of the bible hates sin,
He loves the sinner But hates there sin.
wages of sin is hell. god cant not forgive a sin if ur still in it. Now if Ur gay but stay away from doing it thats different.
Jesus said Repent and sin no more. I know we all sin, what he meant dont keep doing the samething.
Peace and love Brethren.

 

[oracle2world]

I have a question for you Outcast4God. Why are you advancing the gay agenda at a Christian chat site?

No culture throughout history that has embraced homosexuality has lasted. Cultures that cast out homosexuals (usually in unpleasant ways) have done fine over the millennia. No judgement of right or wrong, fair or unfair.

Catholics forbid birth control. There are lots of Catholics in the world. The Shakers practised celibacy, there are no more Shakers. You do not tinker with the one most important behaviour in all of life, reproduction, and expect anything good to come out of it.

Right now the GLBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender) legal juggernaut is obsessed with pushing homosexuality in everyone's face, whether you like it or not. But there is a big difference between tolerance and approval. GLBTs have received a lot of tolerance in America. Now they want approval. It won't happen. So in my opinion Christians can (and should) practise tolerance as much as possible, but you have to draw the line at approval. And if that means a parishioner is cast out of a church so be it. They knew the rules going in.

There is a book "King and King" written for 2nd graders to read in school. At the end two men kiss, and it presents homosexuality in a favourable light. The most offensive part of the book, in my opinion, was to present divorce as okay, normal, nothing much to worry about. Divorce is incredibly devastating to children. If divorce and gay behaviour is okay, is it everything goes? What moral line exists they will not cross?

So again Outcast4God I ask you, if the Christian beliefs at CC are so antithetical to you, why are you here? You knew the rules coming in.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Catholics forbid birth control. There are lots of Catholics in the world. The Shakers practised celibacy, there are no more Shakers. You do not tinker with the one most important behaviour in all of life, reproduction, and expect anything good to come out of it.

Haha, I liked this. Especially the line about the Shakers from the New England area.

 

[pusparinjani]

God created man and woman not only man and man or woman and woman

 

[funkyjoy101]

Question for Oracle2world, i completely understand the point you're trying to make however conserning the questioning of why Outkast4God is here, is like asking yourself why you are here (on this site) Did you ever think maybe this person may be having a deep struggle with the subject and is looking for guidence from more experienced Christians from this site? I just think instead of discouraging Outkast4God by asking why they're here and bringing up this subject, i think you should be encouraging instead with scripture that actually matters, rather than quoting a 'offensive' (in your opinion) book? Also suggesting that Outkast4God feels the Christian beliefs on CC are antithetical is wrong as they never actually stated that.

As for Outkast4God feel free to message me as i too struggle with the subject (As a teenager baring in mind) as i too have friends of the Gay/Lesbian/Bi gender, some christian and others non.

 

[Outcast4God]

@ oracle2world...

I am not advancing the gay agenda. I am not saying I condone it. I am not saying that it is not a sin.
What I am asking is why do some people, find a need to treat these people (homosexuals/ bisexuals) with fear & hate? I don't understand. And for someone to tell me that isn't Christian-like is wrong. We are called to love others. No matter who they are or what they're like. That is the best way to bring others to the Lord. Not, like some show, by fear & hate.