Faith or Law?

[Watchman22]

Any wisdom or discernment I may have accumulated is a direct product of turning to God amid suffering. Many of us are so hard headed, it takes a catastrophe or two before we listen. Even then, we can take no credit for what He does through the Holy Spirit.

Ya I'm definitely in that camp also. My suffering is always growing, but the Spirit and mind of Him seems to keep it at bay somehow. Rejoicing in my afflictions is something I'm admittedly not good at.

Any advice on that part?

 

[Toknow]

I suspect the issue is that you don't like what I say to you because I reveal shortcomings in your rationale, behaviour, and views.

Yep.
That's the ticket!

I always listen to MAN when it comes to God things.
And you just don't tell me what I want to hear.

You know...
all that talk of just believing...whatever believe means (who can know)
and how it's probably not even necessary to obey
because
we're saved NO MATTER WHAT!!

Yeah. That reassuring talk is just not palatable to me.

I like to work hard and be legalistic and obey all those Mosaic Laws.
God must probably be really mad at me too...

You know...He doesn't need my help and all that.

SOLA SCRPTURA
SOLA FIDE

It's working out really well for Christianity.

 

[HeIsHere]

I suspect the issue is that you don't like what I say to you because I reveal shortcomings in your rationale, behaviour, and views.

perhaps agenda too.

 

[Watchman22]

Yep.
That's the ticket!

I always listen to MAN when it comes to God things.
And you just don't tell me what I want to hear.

You know...
all that talk of just believing...whatever believe means (who can know)
and how it's probably not even necessary to obey
because
we're saved NO MATTER WHAT!!

Yeah. That reassuring talk is just not palatable to me.

I like to work hard and be legalistic and obey all those Mosaic Laws.
God must probably be really mad at me too...

You know...He doesn't need my help and all that.

SOLA SCRPTURA
SOLA FIDE

It's working out really well for Christianity.

Every once in a great while someone asks the right question, and it makes my heart leap. Thanks Toknow.

 

[TruthDefender]

Hey!
Are you serious!

I took one look at that chart and my brain turned off!

And "a few" languages sounds like a lot.
I doubt I said a few.

I was having a convo with a calvinist a couple of years ago, and he believed that DRAW ALL PEOPLE TO MYSELF meant DRAG.

DRAG is used in Acts (can't remember the verse) but it's a different word in other languages...
in English is was being translated as the same word.

This is the only time I can remember where the Greek was extremely important.

In other cases,,,unless a person is doing a real scholarly study (which most of us do not) I doubt the Greek is really necessary..

EXCEPT

To get some nice deeper meaning that could open up new thoughts/ideas/the oipportunity to understand God/Jesus better.

To “Drag” someone seems so harsh!!

 

[Inquisitor]

So it would seem that you DO understand that BELIEVE must be on-going.
TRUST must be on-going.



So it would seem that you DO believe that we are to SURRENDER to Him.

or do you?

Ah. Maybe not.

However, it is impossible to see the difference because you did not post the opposing view.
You posted only Ephesians 2:8

Where is the opposing scripture??

(I might have missed it).

You are trying to associate your obedience, your surrender, as the underlying reason for your salvation.

Salvation is granted as a free gift and not on the basis of your obedience or your surrender.

There are three verses below you should consider.

Joel 2:32
And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the Lord Will be delivered.

Acts 2:21
And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

Romans 10:13
For whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.

How you use that free gift is up to you but salvation ultimately is by God's grace,
from start to finish.

You gain salvation only by calling on the name of the Lord.