Replacement theology? Yes or No.

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Gpianolf said:
Usually, this debate arises when people compare Dispensationalism and Covenant Theology. I find I can't subscribe to either one fully. There's a healthy middle ground and, if I remember correctly, it's called Progressive Covenantalism. We, as Gentiles, do not replace Israel, but not all Jews are going to heaven either. Belief in Christ is the only prerequisite to entering Heaven, no questions asked. But there aren't two peoples. Since we are grafted in, we are all one branch. So in the end, there are only parts of those two branches of theology that get it right, in my opinion.
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My argument with replacement theology is that is ignores much prophecy and also ignores reality. Israel exists. For some, that is hard to accept. For me, I look on Google Earth and it's there.

It is clear to me that God's plans include literal Israel. Those who argue have to relegate everything to the realm of symbolism. For example, during the great tribulation, 12,000 young men from 12 tribes will preach the gospel to the world. I don't accept that as symbolism.

It is also clear that there is no separate salvation for Jews. That heresy is promoted by John Hagee and some others. I don't know how they get that idea any more than I can understand the replacement people. Sure, when Israel was not a nation, it was understandable. Even then some believers saw it coming, as far back as the 17th century.
 
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cv5 said:
Let me help you : see Ezekiel 40-48.
The chapters that the replacement theologians love to hate....:sneaky:
They have no answer.
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Way too easy.
Those chapters are so clearly and obviously about the second temple restoration that there is nothing left to debate.
God delights in the second temple and gives exact instructions and measurements.
Not the temple of the AC.
Temples are for sacrifice, and Jesus is the final sacrifice.
God does not delight in a third temple made with hands,
because Jesus IS the third temple.
 
Dispys don't have spiritual understanding to realize that the Israel of God, ie, spiritual Israel, ie, Israel ruled by God, never stopped existing and will never cease to exist. Thus the fulfillment of prophecy
 
The bible nowhere literally says that 12,000 young men from 12 tribes will preach the gospel to the world. Yet dispys claim that is literal. Basically dispy sensationalism is just making up stuff and calling it literal.
 
cv5 said:
There was never a gentile who became an Israelite, that much is true.
And not once, ever, is a gentile defined as an Israelite in Scripture.
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There are two different answers to that.
One is physical and the other is spiritual.
The spiritual answer carries more weight, because physical relation to Jacob was not enough in itself to make a person an heir to the promises of Abraham.

There were conditions attached, like circumcision for males (Genesis 17:10-14).
Notice that in v. 14 that the uncircumcised male has broken God's covenant and "shall be cut off from his people".
It is not possible for an Israelite to be cut off from his people and still have a land inheritance in the promised land.
He may technically be a physical descendant of Jacob while living among the Gentiles, but due to his disobedience and unbelief the claim is of little consequence.

There are of course more conditions than that regarding the promise.
Moses added many more terms and conditions, some of which required a temple to obey.

Then there are the blessings and curses of Deuteronomy.
Fail there and the consequences are every bit as bad as refusing to be circumcised.

So who is there that is still faithful in all these things?
I am sure that you know that there has only been one man in the entire history, and He is the one who pays the transgressions of those to whom He extends His mercy.

On these grounds fair to say that the seed of Abraham and the inheritor of all the promises, including the everlasting land promise, is Jesus.
The New Testament supports this view

Consider Hebrews 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Also
Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
 
ThereRoseaLamb said:
I asked a question first. You make my point when you're unable to answer it.
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I do not know which book you have consulted to get your litmus test for racism, but if you can answer my question you will already have the answer to yours without me having to say anything.
My work is done here.
Mathew 7:3
 
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Beekeeper said:
I do not know which book you have consulted to get your litmus test for racism, but if you can answer my question you will already have the answer to yours without me having to say anything.
My work is done here.
Mathew 7:3
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You do know the Book I have consulted. You won't answer, fine, making my point for me.
 
ThereRoseaLamb said:
No. It isn't. This is about prophesy and the end times. You didn't start the thread.
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Here's the thread for the war

Gideon300

Thread 'Revolution in Iran'

47 years ago, with the complicity of America and the UK, Iran underwent a revolution. The end result was a brutal and murderous Muslim regime. The regime stared down America, who allowed their embassy to be occupied for over a year.

Iranians are not a backwards people. They are not ethnically Muslims. Over the years, they have taken to the streets to try and get at least some relief from the regime's brutality. So far, it has not worked. Iranians are desperate. The regime's policies direct vast resources into the military with the intent of destroying Israel. People are hungry, water is...
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~~ Blessed Sabbath Folks ~~

The Lord has impressed upon me that modern "Christianity" is very much simpler than I first thought, almost a year ago, when I first started posting here in these forums.

There are just TWO religious systems in the world TODAY, all the way back to Eden. One the Spirit of Able, the other the spirit of Cain. One of obedience, the other of disobedience.

Satan has been very proficient at deceiving most folks all through history, into believing his Doctrines of Disobedience. So TODAY, most all men are following after and believing Satan, rather than Jesus.

As in the days of Noah. Matthew 24:37-39 , Luke 17:26-27 Most men preferred to believe Satan and continue in their lusts for the world, rather than believing (Noah) Jesus, the Word.

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Here's the thread for the war

Gideon300

Thread 'Revolution in Iran'

47 years ago, with the complicity of America and the UK, Iran underwent a revolution. The end result was a brutal and murderous Muslim regime. The regime stared down America, who allowed their embassy to be occupied for over a year.

Iranians are not a backwards people. They are not ethnically Muslims. Over the years, they have taken to the streets to try and get at least some relief from the regime's brutality. So far, it has not worked. Iranians are desperate. The regime's policies direct vast resources into the military with the intent of destroying Israel. People are hungry, water is...
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