They should shoot to injure.

[Edward429451]

First I'm not a officer, retired state prison who took the same traning.

I say we should always obey the officer.

If the officer is wrong NOW is not is not the time for sure their are some bad ones., matter a fact my wife left for one, who was in trouble for beating up drug dealers for their drugs. Of course it was covered up.

Consider this why is the officer in your life right now?

Something he did?

The problem today is not those who carry weapons, it's the politicians who put a target on their back and when they are doing there job not taking their back.

A few days ago, an officer (don't remember it all, but think this is was the situation) officer pulled an Illegal Alien over he had no id, couldn't speak our language the officer called ICE later the officer was fired or something becasue it was a sanutauay city and aginst their policies.

I don't think officers have a problem with good guys carrying guns.

Keep in mind, if a bad guy is doing something and he sees someone with a weapon, they are his first target.

Nope, I don't think your weird, I think your looking out for yourself we all need to.

I am so glad I was not an officer. I'd prolly have turned into a hard core punk by now. I like helping people but police work isnt helping people as a general thing.

"I don't think officers have a problem with good guys carrying guns."

Some do some don't. I was having engine troubles and had my head under the hood and a cop silently slid in and walked up on me. And he says, engine trouble? I said a little. Sir you prolly should know I am armed and it's on my dash board. He said thanks for telling me.. He didn't even step over and look at it started talking about my truck again! A real nice guy.

Another time I'm pulled over or something, so I put it on the dash real quick and he's telling me to step out, so I do We go back by his cruiser and I tell him right off I am armed, it's on my dashboard. And he freaks out. STarts asking me all sorts of questions and makes 5 or so trip a few steps closer to my truck to look at my gun again? Why do you have a weapon?
For the same reason you do Officer, it is a dangerous planet...Now he had pulled me over for some extra petty traffic thing, I forget what, but he didnt have PC or AS for anything and he knew it and hated it. He didnt like me having a pistol. But he couldnt do anything about it and had to let me go, lol.
I have a bunch of these kind of stories but was totally blessed by God to never having any weapons charge against me. It was actually easy, I just wasnt a punk! Lol. I bet I've beem inside a bank(s) armed to the teeth hundreds of times, maybe thousands (1K maybe ), and never was tempted to rob one! So what you dont do they cant charge you with.

 

[Ouch]

If your life is truly in imminent danger, shooting to "injure" is a good way to die. Cops have always been taught to aim for center mass with multiple rounds. If your life is not in imminent danger, you have no business shooting anyone.

First in NJ there are 13 state prisons or was.

So there were a lot of Corrections officers, the govenrner had a great idea since we all went through the same weapons traing and classs's on deadly force, when to use it when not to.

Why not make them Police also? So we are or were called correction /police officers.

If the police ever need back up for a riot or something just a phone call and hundreds of officers would be available.

I did them training courses 28 times, once a year.

NOT ONE TIME, NOT ONCE was I EVER told to shoot center mass with multiple rounds.

I have been traind to stoot to STOP.

We are also 100% responsible for every round that leaves our weapon.

So center mass is the target, if you were ever being shot (I have not) it's not like at the range and hitting a target.

I would bet it's more like stop who is shotting at you, and your sure not going to be stooting at a leg or an arm.

What happens if you miss that leg or arm, and the bullet goes somewhere and hurts someone else? We are responsbile!

What state teaches "aim for center mass with multiple rounds"???

You say, "If your life is not in imminent danger, you have no business shooting anyone"

What do you call imminent danger? To each their own!!

A 280 pound man with an angry face, approaching an 120 female officer in an imminent danger since she has no idea what his intent is.

v/s a 280 officer approaching a 120 female who was called on the scene for a specific reason.

 

[Ouch]

I am so glad I was not an officer. I'd prolly have turned into a hard core punk by now. I like helping people but police work isnt helping people as a general thing.

"I don't think officers have a problem with good guys carrying guns."

Some do some don't. I was having engine troubles and had my head under the hood and a cop silently slid in and walked up on me. And he says, engine trouble? I said a little. Sir you prolly should know I am armed and it's on my dash board. He said thanks for telling me.. He didn't even step over and look at it started talking about my truck again! A real nice guy.

Another time I'm pulled over or something, so I put it on the dash real quick and he's telling me to step out, so I do We go back by his cruiser and I tell him right off I am armed, it's on my dashboard. And he freaks out. STarts asking me all sorts of questions and makes 5 or so trip a few steps closer to my truck to look at my gun again? Why do you have a weapon?
For the same reason you do Officer, it is a dangerous planet...Now he had pulled me over for some extra petty traffic thing, I forget what, but he didnt have PC or AS for anything and he knew it and hated it. He didnt like me having a pistol. But he couldnt do anything about it and had to let me go, lol.
I have a bunch of these kind of stories but was totally blessed by God to never having any weapons charge against me. It was actually easy, I just wasnt a punk! Lol. I bet I've beem inside a bank(s) armed to the teeth hundreds of times, maybe thousands (1K maybe ), and never was tempted to rob one! So what you dont do they cant charge you with.

Police are people too, I don't understand why any would not like you carring.

When I'm carrying and there is a office in need, I'm would be pulling out my badge so he's knows I'm on his side and help.

If I didn't have one, may be best to stand down you don't know whats going through his mind at that time. BUT if he gets hurt or needs help jump in. Of coures that's if he has no other help.

I like others carring weapons and I appricae you telling the offices you are armed.

Keep in mind, we have officers on the job for the first day and some with many years.

I know it took me a few years to figure out the best way to deal with convicts behind bars with as less as possible aulteracations.

We are trained to NEVER have our weapon off of our body! Not in a backpack or whatever has to be attached somehow.

 

[Charlesiii]

In the late 80's early 90's the police used to shoot criminals to injure them. To immobilize them. They then changed it so it was shoot to kill. They said the reason was it made it cheaper.

So what happens when they shoot to kill rather than injure? There is nothing to investigate. The person who was the cause of this shooter is hidden. This means people can convince other people to go on a shooting. Assassinations can be done and the person who is behind it will be hidden. When the gun man is dead, the police can use their poetry and make it look anyway they want.

Another reason they started shooting to kill, rather than injure is because of sport. The police just wanted to kill people.

I don't know that most police want to kill people. Some evil cops, yeah, but I doubt that it's most of them. Ultimately, killing someone is the best way to know that people are safe. An injured guy with a gun can still kill.

I do agree that the same rule should apply for all, although increasingly difficult in this time where even the judges and politicians are corrupt.

 

[Edward429451]

What do you call imminent danger?

Imminent danger is when there's not enough time to pray.

 

[Edward429451]

Police are people too, I don't understand why any would not like you carring.

When I'm carrying and there is a office in need, I'm would be pulling out my badge so he's knows I'm on his side and help.

If I didn't have one, may be best to stand down you don't know whats going through his mind at that time. BUT if he gets hurt or needs help jump in. Of coures that's if he has no other help.

I like others carring weapons and I appricae you telling the offices you are armed.

Keep in mind, we have officers on the job for the first day and some with many years.

I know it took me a few years to figure out the best way to deal with convicts behind bars with as less as possible aulteracations.

We are trained to NEVER have our weapon off of our body! Not in a backpack or whatever has to be attached somehow.

I don't understand it myself. But they get a dislike from somewhere. Seem like most of them are young cops. Prolly got introduced to guns for the first time on the force. Like it that they can carry, but it's unfair for me to be armed. Honestly, I dont think I would offer to help cops in trouble. Bad idea I think. They dont know me and are in the middle of trouble of their own? That's liable to get you shot! Real life isnt like an action movie. So somebody who wasnt me blew the roof off of the Nakatomi building. Send more police!

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Yeah I have In the Gravest Extreme, and the Truth about Self-Protection, and I very thin one called, Gunproof Your Kids which is exactly how I gun proofed my kids, it worked.



I thought so too, and I don't like people telling me what to do.




I do know about curtilage laws but don't put a heck of a lot of stock in them. If you barely come outside, you are in your curtilage of the house, but...try to go back in now without a fight! They do Not want you in your house unless they are too so it still comes down to the front door! Don't open the door!

Those were excellent books.

Your point is well taken about going outside.

That was weird, it rearranged my post to you and added a quote?

If there's any glitches with the new formatting, I would let RoboOp know so he might be able to fix it.

 

[Ouch]

I don't understand it myself. But they get a dislike from somewhere. Seem like most of them are young cops. Prolly got introduced to guns for the first time on the force. Like it that they can carry, but it's unfair for me to be armed. Honestly, I dont think I would offer to help cops in trouble. Bad idea I think. They dont know me and are in the middle of trouble of their own? That's liable to get you shot! Real life isnt like an action movie. So somebody who wasnt me blew the roof off of the Nakatomi building. Send more police!

I sure do understand, I'm old they all look 20 lol.

I have to tell you being a JESUS follower I was not liked by some fellow officers.

I made it clear to them not to do stupid things in front of me, I wan't one to lie for them.

I'm more afraid of JESUS than them.

When I say do something stupid, we are to use as much force as nessary, when we get the cuffs on a convict the fight is over. Anything after that.

I'm a part of them so if I can, I'm diving in I sure do understand why others may not, no one is obligated in any way to help. It also may be a bad idea.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Coolio Police Chase

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

 

[Edward429451]

I'm a part of them so if I can, I'm diving in I sure do understand why others may not, no one is obligated in any way to help. It also may be a bad idea.

Yeah it depends on the situation, and what the Spirit says. If the cop was shot and no other backup around I couldn't walk away from him to fend for himself. But if his backup is on scene, later dudes !

 

[Ouch]

Yeah it depends on the situation, and what the Spirit says. If the cop was shot and no other backup around I couldn't walk away from him to fend for himself. But if his backup is on scene, later dudes !

Yea man, I sure would be out then also.

 

[ZNP]

Yeah it depends on the situation, and what the Spirit says. If the cop was shot and no other backup around I couldn't walk away from him to fend for himself. But if his backup is on scene, later dudes !

In your dreams. You are a witness. You will have to speak to the cops, to the lawyers, you will be deposed by both sides in the trial, you will be brought in as a witness, and it is likely this trial will be very high profile. Pray that this person who shot the cop is not connected to a gang or cartel, because then your family and jobs will likely be threatened.

 

[Edward429451]

In your dreams. You are a witness. You will have to speak to the cops, to the lawyers, you will be deposed by both sides in the trial, you will be brought in as a witness, and it is likely this trial will be very high profile. Pray that this person who shot the cop is not connected to a gang or cartel, because then your family and jobs will likely be threatened.

I didn't see anything. I'm almost totally blind, who said that? Lol

They couldn't make me do anything I don't want to do.

 

[ZNP]

I didn't see anything. I'm almost totally blind, who said that? Lol

They couldn't make me do anything I don't want to do.

Good luck with that when you have to appear before the Lord Jesus for the things you have done on this earth.

 

[Edward429451]

Good luck with that when you have to appear before the Lord Jesus for the things you have done on this earth.

I wondered about that before. I don't normally lie to people but at some time it isn't worth it. Some times you have to like when you work. if a customer says how much did the part cost, the guy is going to lie. I worked at a company that if the part was less than $50 our cost then, triple the price. If it cost more than $50 charge double.

Now If I had just fixed your furnace and was explaining the bill to you and how we came to that price...would you be angry? Right, so we had to lie and justify it. Let's call it 40 or 50% on the parts and I have one that you need on my truck, we stock what you need sir and that costs money. Now you dont have to wait on the part to come in!

I get it that they should make something on the parts.Stocking parts does cost money. But we cant argue about it all day long. So I lied.

And when one is dealing with Cops it a matter of personal security. That kind of situation can follow you home like you say. So if the government can have National Security and deny people, then so can I as a Citizen, Personal Security, code tlk for I don't trust cops. It is legal for cops to lie to us, so I'm'a keep secrets inside my 5th admendment. What? I can hear you talking. Who are you? I cant see.

I'll have to tell Jesus it was situational ethics? I don't see how anyone could profit by being 100% truthful with Cops and their, may be used against you in a court of law...

 

[Karlon]

One time a female cop pulled me over. Well I had just pulled in and parked on the street, going somewhere. I had my Glock 45 with me and I had it on the passenger seat. So I had a genius stroke of an idea! I quickly exited my vehicle, I was in my wife's mini van. And I locked it as I got out and closed the door, so I was separated from my weapon and maybe she wouldn't pee herself when I told her because it was out of my reach and locked up when I would tell her. Laying right on the passenger seat, open carry!

She got out and screamed at me to get back in the vehicle. I stood by my driver door and did not approach her. I said, why? you pulled me over so must want to talk about something!! and took a couple steps towards her. She was still screaming get back in my vehicle. And I said, Mamn please listen. I have a firearm in the vehicle and want to declare it to you...

Get away from the vehicle! Come here! SO I walked back and said very politely, yes mamn, what can I do for you? And it was something petty, the license plate light I think. Then she remembered the gun and wanted to talk about it. I carry for the same reason you do mamn. Dangerous world. Then she wants to retrieve the weapon. I said that isn't necessary at all. You are here over a license plate light my vehicle is locked and it is in plain view like the law says, but the issue is the light not the gun. Here I am let's get this light thing out of the way, do I get a ticket or what?

Do you mind if I search the vehicle?

Mamn, I can't let you search the vehicle. This is my wife's truck and she didn't authorize me to let people search it.

This went back and forth and I would not approach my truck until she calmed down. Then she got tired of it and left just like that. No ticket! No search. The weapon was out of my control in the locked vehicle and beyond my easy reach, so she didn't have PC for anything!

from the beginning, police are trained falsely because they don't want the leniency of law to control them. a great example in the past 15 years is the police auditors. they are exposing police inefficiency, corruption, lies, dishonesty & the corrupt unity amongst the police. big time. they never want to show they are backing down from the truth so they remain loyal to dishonesty. however, in the past year, police departments are changing their ways to not be sued anymore. 1,000,000's of dollars have been paid out all over the country. this occurs by the auditors suing rightfully according to law. & we all know, film never lies.

 

[Ouch]

I wondered about that before. I don't normally lie to people but at some time it isn't worth it. Some times you have to like when you work. if a customer says how much did the part cost, the guy is going to lie. I worked at a company that if the part was less than $50 our cost then, triple the price. If it cost more than $50 charge double.

Now If I had just fixed your furnace and was explaining the bill to you and how we came to that price...would you be angry? Right, so we had to lie and justify it. Let's call it 40 or 50% on the parts and I have one that you need on my truck, we stock what you need sir and that costs money. Now you dont have to wait on the part to come in!

I get it that they should make something on the parts.Stocking parts does cost money. But we cant argue about it all day long. So I lied.

And when one is dealing with Cops it a matter of personal security. That kind of situation can follow you home like you say. So if the government can have National Security and deny people, then so can I as a Citizen, Personal Security, code tlk for I don't trust cops. It is legal for cops to lie to us, so I'm'a keep secrets inside my 5th admendment. What? I can hear you talking. Who are you? I cant see.

I'll have to tell Jesus it was situational ethics? I don't see how anyone could profit by being 100% truthful with Cops and their, may be used against you in a court of law...

I sure do understand.

When we stand in front of JESUS we will be held accoutable for every word out of our mouth.

So if I lie to you, who is at fought?

JESUS was facing death, did HE lie to get out of it?

He KNEW the outcome but HE still didn't lie.

Do Police officers lie, but citizens lie?

So who is right?

The ONLY thing that matters is what happens when we stand in front of JESUS.

If we lie it the outcome will not be good.

If we don't have anything to lie about there will never be a problem, as JESUS followers we are suppose to set an example.

When my boy was young, something happened, I told him to get in his room I was going to beat his butt. Come to find out he was not the problem, so I went to his room and told him. BUT then I told him the problem is I told you I'm going to beat your butt! I pulled out my belt and just let the weight of the belt fall on his butt.

 

[Ouch]

from the beginning, police are trained falsely because they don't want the leniency of law to control them. a great example in the past 15 years is the police auditors. they are exposing police inefficiency, corruption, lies, dishonesty & the corrupt unity amongst the police. big time. they never want to show they are backing down from the truth so they remain loyal to dishonesty. however, in the past year, police departments are changing their ways to not be sued anymore. 1,000,000's of dollars have been paid out all over the country. this occurs by the auditors suing rightfully according to law. & we all know, film never lies.

So do you belive 100% of the officers lie?

 

[Karlon]

So do you belive 100% of the officers lie?

a lie in particular or any lies?