Loss of salvation???

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This is pretty clear:

“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭6‬:‭4‬-‭6‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
Yep. The loss of salvation crowd has fallen away. They crucify Christ over and over and over.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to be "resaved", He did the forever work the moment we trusted in Christ.

The believing Jews did it with returning to the law and sacrifices........The loss of salvation crowd is doing it today.

Eternal life is just that.....eternal life. To say otherwise is putting Christ to open SHAME.
 
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They were saved, they were partakers of the Holy Spirit, but fell back to law keeping.

And since they were saved which is a once in time occurrence it cannot be done again like animal sacrifices and trying to do so puts the final and complete work of Christ Jesus to open shame.

No losable salvation in view.

No
 
loss of God's ETERNAL Salvation?:

Please advise where this ridiculous teaching is in God's PURE Word Of Truth?:

man-made: "Christ always knew those He has Never known"

In Opposition To Sound Biblical Doctrines:

"Christ Has Always Known His Own" cp "Christ Never Knew those Not His"​
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Yep. The loss of salvation crowd has fallen away. They crucify Christ over and over and over.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to be "resaved", He did the forever work the moment we trusted in Christ.

The believing Jews did it with returning to the law and sacrifices........The loss of salvation crowd is doing it today.

Eternal life is just that.....eternal life. To say otherwise is putting Christ to open SHAME.

Wow, the OSAS crowd has comprehension problems in reading.
We are leaving, because we are done trying to explain simple things. It’s a flyover…..

You all are hanging on to a different gospel…heretical.
 
Yep. The loss of salvation crowd has fallen away. They crucify Christ over and over and over.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to be "resaved", He did the forever work the moment we trusted in Christ.

The believing Jews did it with returning to the law and sacrifices........The loss of salvation crowd is doing it today.

Eternal life is just that.....eternal life. To say otherwise is putting Christ to open SHAME.

Exactly, they were trying to be "born again" again...... as they did with sacrifices.
The author is telling them that is not possible.. carry on to the the meat of salvation.
 
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Wow, the OSAS crowd has comprehension problems in reading.
We are leaving, because we are done trying to explain simple things. It’s a flyover…..

You all are hanging on to a different gospel…heretical.

Umm..... you have NO Good News..... heretical did you say.
 
We can personally maintain good standing by keeping the path clean.
The cleaning process is revealed in 1 John 1:9.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins
and purify us from all unrighteousness.
As you know, "good standing" meaning fellowship. Being filled and walking in the Spirit.

It has nothing to do with our eternal life/salvation or INDWELLING of the Spirit.

John 5:24
“Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

John 1:33
And I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.’

John 6:27
Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that lasts for eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal.”

2 Cor 1:22
who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.
 
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In regard to Hebrews 6:4-6, once enlightened, which means to bring to light, to shed light upon or to cause light to shine upon some object, in the sense of illuminating it. John 1:9 describes Jesus, the "true Light," giving light "to every man," but this cannot mean the light of salvation, because not every man is saved. The light either leads to acceptance of Jesus Christ or produces condemnation in those who reject the light.

In regard to partakers of the Holy Spirit, the word translated “partaker” can certainly refer to a saving partaking in Christ, as we read in Hebrews 3:14, yet it can also refer to a less than saving association or participation. See Luke 5:7 and Hebrews 1:9 - "comrades, companions," which describes one who shares with someone else as an associate in an undertaking. These Hebrews who fell away had obviously in some aspect shared in the ministry of the Holy Spirit, but in what way? There are other ministries of the Holy Spirit which precede receiving the indwelling and sealing of the Holy Spirit, which only genuine believers receive.

Those who fall away absolutely could have been affiliated closely with the fellowship of the church. Such people certainly may have experienced sorrow for sin, heard and understood the gospel and have given some assent to it and have become associated with the work of the Holy Spirit while around believers and have tasted the heavenly gift and the powers of the age to come. They may have been exposed to the true preaching of the word of God yet have simply tasted and stopped there. People who have experienced these things may be genuine Christians, yet this alone is not enough to give conclusive evidence that the beginning stages of conversion (repentance unto life, regeneration, salvation, justification, etc..) have taken place for those who fell away. The experiences in Hebrews 6:4-6 are all preliminary to those decisive beginning stages of becoming a Christian, yet those who draw back to perdition after receiving the 'knowledge' of the truth do not believe to the saving of the soul. (Hebrews 10:39)

These certain individuals who fall short of obtaining salvation certainly may have become partakers of the Holy Spirit in his pre-salvation ministry, convicting of sin and righteousness and judgment to come by tasting the good word of God and temporarily responding to His drawing power which is intended to ultimately lead sinners to Christ, yet the writer of Hebrews does not use conclusive terms that these individuals were "indwelled by the Holy Spirit" or "sealed by the Holy Spirit." Genuine believers who have believed the gospel are sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession/unto the day of redemption. (Ephesians 1:13-14; 4:30)

In regard to tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, they may have tasted in such a way as to give them a distinct impression of what was tasted, yet they still fell away. Inherent in the idea of tasting is the fact that one might or might not decide to accept what is tasted. For example, the same Greek word (geuomai) is used in Matthew 27:34 to say that those crucifying Jesus "offered him wine to drink, mingled with gall; but when he tasted it, he would not drink it." We do not merely taste, but drink into one Spirit. (1 Corinthians 12:13)

In regard to renew them again unto repentance, this does not specify whether the repentance was merely outward or genuine accompanied by saving faith. They have in some sense "repented," there may be sorrow for sins and an attempt to turn from them (moral self-reformation) that non-believers can experience. There is repentance that falls short of salvation, which is clear from Hebrews 12:7 and the reference to Esau, as well as the repentance of Judas Iscariot in Matthew 27:3. Paul refers to a repentance “without regret that leads to salvation,” which shows there is a repentance that does not lead to salvation. As with “belief/faith”, so too with “repentance,” we must always distinguish between what is substantial and results in salvation and what is spurious. Renew them again "unto salvation" would be conclusive evidence for the argument of a loss of salvation.

In Hebrews 6:7-8, we read - For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; but if it bears thorns and briars, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned. In this metaphor relating to agriculture, those who receive final judgment are compared to land that bears no vegetation or useful fruit, but rather bears thorns and thistles. We see in scripture where good fruit is the evidence of spiritual life and a lack of good fruit is a sign of false believers (Matthew 3:8-10; 7:15-20; 12:33-35) so we have an indication that the trustworthy evidence of one's spiritual condition is the fruit they bear (whether good or bad), suggesting that those who fell away in Hebrews 6 were not genuine believers.

*Verse 9 sums it up for me. The writer is speaking to those truly saved (refers to them as BELOVED). He says that even though he speaks like this concerning THOSE types of people, He is convinced of better things concerning YOU. Things that ACCOMPANY SALVATION. Thorns and briars and falling away permanently do not accompany salvation and are not fruits worthy of authentic repentance.

It's generally stated by those who believe that salvation can be lost that it can be regained again, yet that would not be the case here if the writer of Hebrews was teaching a loss of salvation. I have heard certain individuals state they know someone who was truly saved, but later lost their salvation, yet only God truly knows the heart of individuals. Certain people "on the surface" may do a good job of looking like the real deal for a while (like Judas Iscariot, who was an unbelieving, unclean devil who betrayed Jesus - John 6:64-71; 13:10-11) yet to the other 11 disciples, he looked like the real deal, but Jesus knew his heart. There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers and you can't always tell them apart at first.

Word salad with man’s ideas and opinions….. yada, yada
 
We can personally maintain good standing by keeping the path clean.
The cleaning process is revealed in 1 John 1:9.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins
and purify us from all unrighteousness.


Yes, but once again, what happens if someone doesn’t confess those sins? You’re so myopic!
 
Exactly, they were trying to be "born again" again...... as they did with sacrifices.
The author is telling them that is not possible.. carry on to the the meat of salvation.
We find this with the reformed/calvie/tulip folks and the loss of salvation crowd........They have face planted at the starting line and the meat is foreign to them. The race for them is still the milk.
 
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Grace. Mercy. Patience. ......Then discipline and possible harsh discipline. Just not loss of salvation(ETERNAL LIFE.)

How can you guys not understand eternal life yet? God can "possibly" lose eternal life?

How can they receive "a gift" if they still have something in their hand, need to be empty handed. :unsure:
 
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The heresy that has plagued the truth of secure salvation from the OT onward to the NT is the non-Good News you assert >>>that God is ineffectual to do what He promised and keep those who are His.

Not at all! What I’ve been saying is from His word, not mine. 😇
Warnings come from Him.
 
Grace. Mercy. Patience. ......Then discipline and possible harsh discipline. Just not loss of salvation(ETERNAL LIFE.)

How can you guys not understand eternal life yet? God can "possibly" lose eternal life?
Oh we do!! You’re just not getting the whole gospel.
 
Not at all! What I’ve been saying is from His word, not mine. 😇
Warnings come from Him.

There is no warning from God that He will un-justify someone who He has declared justified.

The "loss of salvation" crowd twists scripture to make it fit their faulty doctrine.
 
We find this with the reformed/calvie/tulip folks and the loss of salvation crowd........They have face planted at the starting line and the meat is foreign to them. The race for them is still the milk.
Not at all. Those fingers are pointing right back at you for bottle feeding.
Comprehension dilemmas, much!
 
Grace. Mercy. Patience. ......Then discipline and possible harsh discipline. Just not loss of salvation(ETERNAL LIFE.)

How can you guys not understand eternal life yet? God can "possibly" lose eternal life?

When we consider the horror of being under a fickle god whose word you can't trust because of such a god going back on his word, I'm glad we have the God described within scripture who means what He says.

MM