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Gentiles are not under the law and Gentiles were not covenant people.
The written law was only given to Israel in a covenant, that is, the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Jesus was circumcised but Gentiles cannot be circumcised; checkmate.
We can't earn our entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven even as there result of having perfect obedience to the Law of Moses because it was never given as a way of doing that. In Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven in contrast with saying that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the reason why our entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven requires us to choose to be workers of lawfulness is not in order to earn our way there but because that is the way to know Jesus.
You contradicted yourself, "saying that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him".
At the same time you stated that your not fully obedient to the law.
No one has perfect obedience to the law, you said.
"saying that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him".
Stop contradicting yourself.
Grace is a gift and gifts can't be earned, so grace is incompatible with works insofar as they are done in order to earn a wage (Romans 11:6), however, there are other reasons that works can be required that are compatible with grace. For example, a gift can be the experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari, where the gift intrinsically requires them to do the work of driving it in order to have that experience, but where doing that work contributes nothing towards paying for the opportunity to experience driving it. Our salvation from sin would be incomplete if we were only saved from the penalty of our sin while our lives continued to be directed being being doers of sin, so there is an aspect of our gift of salvation that we are experiencing in the present by repeating and redirecting our lives towards being doers of the Law of God.
In Titus 2:14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so we are not extrinsically required to have first done those works in order to earn our salvation as the result and we are not extrinsically required to do those works as the result of having first been saved, but rather God graciously teaching us to be a doer of those works is part of His gift of salvation.
In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus affirmed that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments, and something that we inherit is a gift, so he was speaking about what is intrinsically required in order to experience to gift of eternal life, not about the way to be good enough to earn it or pay God back for it.
In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Law of Moses, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith.
In Exodus 33:13, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the Law of Moses is to graciously teach us how to experience knowing God and Jesus, which is His gift of eternal life (John 17:3).
In Genesis 6:8-9, Noah found grace in the eyes of God, he was a righteous man, and he walked with God, so God was gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way and he was righteous because he obeyed through faith.
In Ephesians 2:8-10, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so while Paul denied that we can earn our salvation as the result of our works lest anyone should boast, God graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of good works in obedience to the Law of Moses is nevertheless intrinsically part of His gift of salvation.
God has not commanded anything that is not in accordance with walking in the Spirit, but rather the Law of Moses is God's instructions for how to embody His character traits and His character traits are the fruits of the Spirit, which is why the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey it.
In John 16:13, the Spirit has the role of leading us in truth, in Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Law of Moses, and in Psalm 119:142, the Law of Moses is truth.
In Romans 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of Moses.
In Galatian 5:16-23, Paul contrasted the desires of the flesh with the desires of the Spirit and everything that he listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Law of Moses while all of the fruits of the Spirit are aspects of God's character that the Law of Moses was given in order to teach us how to embody.
In Romans 2:25-29, the way to recognize that a Gentile has a circumcised heart is by observing their obedience to the Law of Moses and circumcision of the heart is a matter of the Spirit, which is in contrast with Acts 7:51-53, where those who have uncircumcised hearts resist the Spirit and do not obey the Law of Moses.
In Hebrews 1:3, the Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character, which he embodied through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of what can equivalently be described as walking in the Spirit or as walking in obedience to the Law of Moses.
In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Law of Moses was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom/Grace. If a Gentile were to under the Law of Moses, then they would have no need of the Gospel, no need of the light, no need to refrain from sin, no need for salvation from sin, no need for grace, no need for faith, no need for the Spirit, and no need for Jesus to have given himself to redeem us from all lawlessness. The Law of Moses was given to Israel in order to equip them to be a light and a blessing to the Gentiles by turning them from their wickedness and by teaching them to walk in God's way in obedience to His law in accordance with the promise and with spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom/Grace.
Paul was a servant of God who therefore never spoke against obeying what God has commanded, though he did speak against obeying what God commanded for incorrect reason. For example, he spoke against Gentiles becoming circumcised for the purpose of becoming saved/justified, but never spoke against Gentiles becoming circumcised in order to eat of the Passover lamb (Exodus 12:48).
There is a difference between someone falling short of perfect obedience to the Law of Moses and them being a worker of lawlessness. While all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, there is nothing in this passage that suggests that Jesus would tell everyone to depart from him. In case you haven't heard we can repent from our sins. In Matthew 7:24, Jesus did not end the Sermon on the Mount by saying that he was just kidding and that we can't actually do as he said, but rather he said that everyone who hears his words and does them would be a like man who builds his house on a rock, so there is a clear expectation that at least some people would do the will of the Father even though all have sinned.
I think I understand what you are saying.
In that particular passage in Matthew we see that Jesus never knew them at the judgement. Many prophesied, cast out devils, and did many works in the name of Jesus. It doesn't seem to me like they just weren't trying hard enough. It seems like Jesus:
A. Didn't consider their own righteousness as adequate to atone for sins. They had nothing to offer other than sinful self righteous acts of service. Their faith was in themselves in service to the Lord rather than the Lord's finished work for them. That's why I reject the statement "give your life to Christ" that is so common.
B. They didn't do the will of the Father. John 6
"40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."
They are those who knew about Jesus and believed that they were representatives of Him at the judgement. However, they will be surprised because the object of their faith is self rather than the Savior.
The reason why God gave the Law of Moses was not in order to teach us how to become self-righteous, but in order to teach us how to embody His righteousness. Relying on ourselves does not involve relying on anyone else, so it would be contradictory for someone to rely on themselves by obediently relying on God's instructions. God is trustworthy, therefore the Law of Moses is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so the way to rely on God is by obediently relying on His instructions, and it would be contradictory for someone to think that we should rely in God instead of on His instructions.
The Hebrew word "yada" refers to intimate relationships/knowledge gained through experience, such as with Genesis 4:1 where Adam knew (yada) Eve, she conceived and gave birth to Cain. God's way is the way to know (yada) Him and Jesus by experiencing embodying His character traits, which is the narrow way to eternal life (John 17:3). For example, in Genesis 18:19, God knew (yada) Abraham that he would teach his children and those of his household to walk in His way by being doers of righteousness and justice that the Lord might bring to him all that he has promise. In Exodus 33:13 Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know (yada) him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the Law of Moses is to graciously teach us how to know (yada) God and Jesus by walking in His way.
The problem is that people can go through the motions of obeying the Law of Moses while neglecting to be a doer of the character traits that it was given in order to teach us how to embody and thus neglect to know God and Jesus and still be counted as workers of lawlessness. For example, in Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that tithing was something that they ought to be doing while not neglecting weightier matters of the Law of Moses of justice, mercy, and faithfulness. In Philippians 3:8, Paul was in a similar situation where he had been obeying the Law of Moses, but not while being focused on knowing Christ, so he had been missing the whole goal of the law and counted that as rubbish.
We embody what we believe to be true about God through our works, such as with James 2:18 saying that he would show his faith by his works. In other words, the way to believe in God is by walking in His way. For example, by being a doer of good works in obedience to the Law of Moses we are embodying God's goodness, which is why our good works bring glory to Him (Matthew 5:16), and by embodying God's goodness we are also embodying the belief that He is good. Likewise, the way to believe that God is compassionate is by being compassionate (Luke 6:36), the way to believe that God is holy is by being a doer of His instructions for how to be holy as He is holy (1 Peter 1:16), and so forth. This is exactly the same as the way to believe in the Son, who is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses. So the problem that they did not do the will of the Father by being workers of lawlessness is the same as not believing in the Son.
that word "fulfilled", please explain?
are you saying Christ lived by the law to perfection - not one sin, which freed mankind from the responsibility of obeying the law and not sinning?
Christ showed us how to live by the law perfectly and now we do not have to live by the law at all??
that makes perfect sense -- but not to me.
The Torah reveals how God judges, how He rewards, how He shows love and kindness and what He expects from me.
I am not "condemning" any one, I am expressing the Truth that I read in the WORD of God. and I judge according to God's law. judging is required, we are not to condemn. I must judge whether something is right or wrong according to the Word.
when I see 40,000 churches on 40,000 paths, some doing this, some doing that, I know something is not right, I must judge using the mind of Christ to make sure I do not go off the narrow Path, the paths the Many are on.
Christ came to reveal the perfect WAY of God the Father, the ONE lawful Way that mankind is to follow into the perfection revealed to us by the way Jesus Christ lived and Christ said "follow me", follow what I say and what I do. And thats what I agreed to do when the Father called to to follow Christ.
Christ did not say I am living this perfect WAY for you so you do not have to. that makes no sense,
It like saying I will show you how to safely drive a car, but you do not need to follow my safe way of driving.
Why come and show men the correct way, the way of perfection, the way that is sinless according to Just and Good Law and then say, but don't follow me. live by how ever you want.
I have posted these words of Christ here many times, all know them; these words all require action.
Christ did His Father's will to perfection and then told us we must do as HE has done, we are to copy Christ in doing will of the Father, those that refuse to follow Christ's lawful example, refuse to DO! Christ said "you that work iniquity (lawlessness) I don't know who you are. and "they" are the MANY
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
I must do the sayings of Christ and He says I should Obey, doing the will of His Father. end of story!
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No gentiles are not under the law/righteousness of obeying the law, no one is under the new covenant
The purpose of the Law of Moses is to teach us how to embody Gods character traits and sin is what is contrary to God's character traits, which is why sin is the transgression of the Law of Moses. God's character traits are eternal, so any instructions that God has given for how to embody His character traits are eternally and cumulative valid regardless of which covenant someone is under. For example, God's righteousness is eternal (Psalms 119:142), therefore all of God's righteous laws are also eternal (Psalms 119:160), but if the way to embody God's righteousness were temporary, then God's righteousness would also be temporary. For instance, being a doer of charity was a way to embody God's righteousness before God made any covenants with man, so that is an eternally valid way to know God. Sin was in the world before the law was given (Romans 5:13), so there were no actions that became righteous or sinful when the law was given, but rather it revealed what has always been and will always be the way to do that. The Law of Moses was not given as away to become righteous, but to describe the life of someone who is righteous, so it what someone becomes a doer of by becoming righteous. Jesus was sent us the promised seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26), not to curse us by causing us to be free to become doers of what the Law of Moses reveals to be wickedness. Jesus did not come with the Gospel message to stop repenting because the Law of Moses has ended now that he has come and we are now free to become doers of wha it reveals to be wickedness, but rather he came with the message tp repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand.
In Psalms 119:29, he wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Law of Moses, and in Psalms 119:42, the Law of Moses is truth, so grace and truth came through Jesus because he fulfilled the Law of Moses by teaching us how to correctly obey it by word and by example. It is contradictory to preach Christ instead of what he taught or to preach God's Word made flesh instead of God's Word.
The Hebrew word “yada” refers to intimate relationships/knowledge gained by experience, such as with Genesis 4:1 where Adam knew (yada) Eve, she conceived, and gave birth to Cain. God’s way is the way to know (yada) Him and Jesus by experiencing being in His likeness through embodying His character traits, which is the narrow way to eternal life (John 17:3). For example, in Genesis 18:19, God knew (yada) Abraham that he would teach his children and those of His household to walk in His way by being doers of righteousness and justice that the Lord might bring to him all that He has promised. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know (yada) Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the purpose of the Law of Moses is to graciously teach us how to have an intimate relationship with God and Jesus by walking in His way, which is His gift of eternal life.
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In Galatians 5:16-23, Paul contrasted the desires of the flesh with the desires of the Spirit and everything that he listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Law of Moses while all of the fruits of the Spirit are aspects of God's character traits that the Law of Moses was given to teach us how to embody. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law. The only way to abolish instructions for how to embody the divine nature would be by first abolishing God.
Paul frequently referred to multiple categories of law other than the Law God, such as with the law of sin and works of the law, so it would be in error to assume that he was always referring to the Law of God. For example, in Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin and contrasted the Law of the Spirit of life with the law of sin and death. In Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted the law of works with the law of faith, in Galatians 3:10-12, he contrasted the Book of the Law with "works of the law", and in Romans 3:31 and Galatians 3:10-12, he said that our faith upholds the Law of God in contrast with saying that "works of the law" are not of faith, so that phrase does not refer to the Law of God, which is why it is not of faith.
Why would a Gentile want to eat the Passover lamb?
Jesus was the perfect lamb that was sacrificed for us, that festival belongs to the Jews.
Exodus 20:1-2
Then God spoke all these words, saying, I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt,
out of the house of slavery.
Jesus did not lead my grandfather out of the house of slavery.
What has the Passover got to do with me?
Jesus was only sent to the Jews!
Paul in Galatians 5, was not talking about circumcision for the purpose of being saved.
Paul specifically said that circumcision is the entry ticket for obedience to the whole law.
Galatians 5:1
It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.
What is the yoke of slavery?
Galatians 5:3
And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law.
As I said previously; circumcision means you must then follow and keep the whole law.
Galatians 5:4
You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
Christians cannot be justified by obedience to the law, in fact, obedience to the law is rebellion against God.
Galatians 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.
Now repeat this verse over and over again.
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything
The way to love God is by embodying His character traits, so for example the way to love justice is by being a doer of justice, the way to love holiness is by being a doer of God's instructions for how to be holy as He is holy, and so forth. In other words, the goal of everything that God has instructed is to teach us how to love different aspects of His character traits, which is why the Bible repeatedly states in both the OT and the NT that the way to love God is by obeying His commandments. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character, which he embodied through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses, so the way to love the Father is exactly the same as the way to love the Son. For example, in John 14:23-24, Jesus said that if we love him, then we will obey his teachings, if we don't love him, then we will not obey his teachings, and that his teachings were not his own but that of the Father, so he did not teach his own commandments. Likewise, in John 15:10, Jesus used a parallel statement to equate his commandments with that of the Father, so Jesus was not in disagreement with the Father about which commandments we should follow.
In Matthew 4:4, Jesus said that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God, so there is no justification for thinking that the commands of Jesus are not in perfect accordance with every word that has come from the mouth of God.
So you transgress the law and for some reason you believe that you are not lawless?
That is a paradox.
Well that statement of yours is both not true and a failure to understand what Paul said.
"everything that he listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Law of Moses"
Galatians 5:20
... impurity, sensuality strife disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness...
Where in the law of Moses is there a law against drunkenness, disputes, factions, strife, sensuality?
In 1 Corinthians 5:6-8, Paul spoke in regard to how Passover foreshadowed Christ by drawing the connection of him being our Passover lamb and then concluded that we should therefore continue to celebrate Passover. If you think that the think that Passover teaches us about God are true, then you should live in a way that testifies about them by following Christ example of celebrating it.
In Matthew 28:16-20, Jesus commissioned his disciples to teach to the nations everything that he taught them, so he did not intend for what he taught to just be followed by Jews.
In Galatians 5:1-4, Paul is clearly speaking against becoming circumcised/obeying works of the law in order to become justified. If Paul had been speaking against circumcision for any reason and not just against incorrect reason, then Galatians 5:2 would mean that he caused Christ to be of no value to Timothy when he had him circumcised and Christ is of no value to roughly 70% of the men in the US. In Acts 15:1, men from Judea were wanting to require Gentiles to become circumcised in order to become saved, however, that was never the reason for why God commanded circumcision, so the Jerusalem Council upheld the Law of Moses by correctly ruling against requiring circumcision for an incorrect reason. In Exodus 12:48, Gentiles who want to eat of the Passover lamb are required to become circumcised, so the Jerusalem, Council should not be interpreted a ruling against Gentiles correctly obeying what God has commanded as if they had the authority to countermand God.
If God had saved the Israelites out of slavery in Egypt in order to put them under slavery to His law, then it would be for slavery that God sets us free, however, Galatians 5:1 says that it is for freedom that God sets us free, so the yoke of slavery is not the Law of Moses. In Psalm 119:142, the Law of Moses is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is the transgression of the Law of Moses that puts us into slavery while the truth sets us free.
God wanted His children to repent and to return to obedience to the Law of Moses all throughout the Bible, and even Christ began his ministry with that Gospel message (Matthew 4:15-23), so it would be absurd to interpret Galatians 5:4 as Paul warning against doing that and as saying that we will be cut off from Christ is we repent and believe the Gospel of Christ. In Psalm 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Law of Moses, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith, and it would again be absurd to interpret this as him wanting God to be gracious to him by teaching him how to fall from grace.
In 1 Corinthians 7:19, Paul said that circumcision has no value and that what matters is obeying the commands of God, so he equated the commands of God with faith working through love. In Romans 3:1-2, Paul also said that circumcision has much value in every way, and in Romans 2:25, he said that circumcision conditionally has value if we obey the Law of Moses, so the issue is that circumcision has no inherent value and that its value is entirely derived from whether we obey the Law of Moses. Physical circumcision is a sign of having a circumcised heart, which is evident by our obedience to the Law of Moses, so it only has value insofar as what it is a sign of is true.
It's not clear to me why you are acting like repentance is not a thing.
Do you think that those things were ok in the OT and suddenly became not ok in the NT?
No, but i don't see you on the forums all the time, and this may be the only time i can give you a heads up!
Endure!
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If God had saved the Israelites out of slavery in Egypt in order to put them under slavery to His law, then it would be for slavery that God sets us free, however, Galatians 5:1 says that it is for freedom that God sets us free, so the yoke of slavery is not the Law of Moses. In Psalm 119:142, the Law of Moses is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is the transgression of the Law of Moses that puts us into slavery while the truth sets us free.
God wanted His children to repent and to return to obedience to the Law of Moses all throughout the Bible, and even Christ began his ministry with that Gospel message (Matthew 4:15-23), so it would be absurd to interpret Galatians 5:4 as Paul warning against doing that and as saying that we will be cut off from Christ is we repent and believe the Gospel of Christ. In Psalm 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Law of Moses, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith, and it would again be absurd to interpret this as him wanting God to be gracious to him by teaching him how to fall from grace.
In 1 Corinthians 7:19, Paul said that circumcision has no value and that what matters is obeying the commands of God, so he equated the commands of God with faith working through love. In Romans 3:1-2, Paul also said that circumcision has much value in every way, and in Romans 2:25, he said that circumcision conditionally has value if we obey the Law of Moses, so the issue is that circumcision has no inherent value and that its value is entirely derived from whether we obey the Law of Moses. Physical circumcision is a sign of having a circumcised heart, which is evident by our obedience to the Law of Moses, so it only has value insofar as what it is a sign of is true.
It's not clear to me why you are acting like repentance is not a thing.
Do you think that those things were ok in the OT and suddenly became not ok in the NT?[/QUOTE]
Comment: Things OK even in the NT are not OK today!
The Father and Jesus Christ, in their Plan of bringing many sons into THE Family, do so, using the same methods, the same steps, the same procedures, the same orderly plan.
one of these "steps" --- The physical comes first - followed by the Spiritual.
the first man Adam, physical, is followed by the spiritual man - Jesus Christ. per Paul.
the Physical Passover, bleeding to death a lamb on the afternoon of the 14th day of God's first month, came first.
Then came the Spiritual; Jesus Christ, became our Spiritual Passover, and instituted the Spiritual Passover on the night, darkness, of the 14th of God's first month of God's year.
We are to no longer eat a lamb, but as Christ explained we must eat His flesh and drink His blood if we desire eternal life.
we do so by following His example; by eating unleavened bread and drinking red wine on the night of the 14th, per the example set by Jesus Christ on the night He was taken to be slain, on the day, "light",, on the afternoon of the 14th at our 3 PM. the hour the Passover Lamb was bleed to death.
once a year, not monthly nor weekly, at the exact time, after the sun has set -- year by year.
The 40,000 changed the Spiritual Passover to a sunday morning 'sun rise' church service followed by easter eggs, chocolate rabbits and easter bonnets ??????
Can someone explain why this drastically change has occurred ?
from after the sun has set -- to -- as the sun rises?
Please do say because of a sunday morning resurrection. not true
Jesus Christ set the example to follow; after the sun had set, once a year on the night of the 14th.
There are zero scriptures setting up sunday morning as Passover.
God wanted His children to repent and to return to obedience to the Law of Moses all throughout the Bible, and even Christ began his ministry with that Gospel message (Matthew 4:15-23), so it would be absurd to interpret Galatians 5:4 as Paul warning against doing that and as saying that we will be cut off from Christ is we repent and believe the Gospel of Christ. In Psalm 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Law of Moses, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith, and it would again be absurd to interpret this as him wanting God to be gracious to him by teaching him how to fall from grace.
In 1 Corinthians 7:19, Paul said that circumcision has no value and that what matters is obeying the commands of God, so he equated the commands of God with faith working through love. In Romans 3:1-2, Paul also said that circumcision has much value in every way, and in Romans 2:25, he said that circumcision conditionally has value if we obey the Law of Moses, so the issue is that circumcision has no inherent value and that its value is entirely derived from whether we obey the Law of Moses. Physical circumcision is a sign of having a circumcised heart, which is evident by our obedience to the Law of Moses, so it only has value insofar as what it is a sign of is true.
It's not clear to me why you are acting like repentance is not a thing.
Do you think that those things were ok in the OT and suddenly became not ok in the NT?[/QUOTE]
Comment: Things OK even in the NT are not OK today!
The Father and Jesus Christ, in their Plan of bringing many sons into THE Family, do so, using the same methods, the same steps, the same procedures, the same orderly plan.
one of these "steps" --- The physical comes first - followed by the Spiritual.
the first man Adam, physical, is followed by the spiritual man - Jesus Christ. per Paul.
the Physical Passover, bleeding to death a lamb on the afternoon of the 14th day of God's first month, came first.
Then came the Spiritual; Jesus Christ, became our Spiritual Passover, and instituted the Spiritual Passover on the night, darkness, of the 14th of God's first month of God's year.
We are to no longer eat a lamb, but as Christ explained we must eat His flesh and drink His blood if we desire eternal life.
we do so by following His example; by eating unleavened bread and drinking red wine on the night of the 14th, per the example set by Jesus Christ on the night He was taken to be slain, on the day, "light",, on the afternoon of the 14th at our 3 PM. the hour the Passover Lamb was bleed to death.
once a year, not monthly nor weekly, at the exact time, after the sun has set -- year by year.
The 40,000 changed the Spiritual Passover to a sunday morning 'sun rise' church service followed by easter eggs, chocolate rabbits and easter bonnets ??????
Can someone explain why this drastically change has occurred ?
from after the sun has set -- to -- as the sun rises?
Please do say because of a sunday morning resurrection. not true
Jesus Christ set the example to follow; after the sun had set, once a year on the night of the 14th.
There are zero scriptures setting up sunday morning as Passover.