Pre Trib or Post trib rapture?

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I tell you what. Just in case any posttribber clicked on something someone said about pre trib, and wants to study it a wee bit more for themselves. Maybe, who knows. But here is a list of all of my rapture pre trib scriptures. I don't want to see any of you posttribbers get left behind.

Pre_Trib Rapture Scriptures.

1 Thessalonians 1:10
1 Thessalonians 5:3, 5:9
Revelation 3:10
Isaiah 26:19-21
John 14:1-3
1 Corinthians 15:1-53
Romans 5:9
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
Romans 8:19
1 Corinthians 1:7-8
1 Corinthians 15:21-23
Philippians 3:20-21
Colossians 3:4
1 Thessalonians 2:19
1 Thessalonians 5:10, 5:23
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
1 Timothy 6:14
Hebrews 9:28
James 5:7-9
1 Peter 1:7, 1:13
1 John 2:28-32
Jude 21
Revelation 2:25
Revelation 16:15
1 Thessalonians 1:10

Every single one of those scriptures have something to say about the Pre_Trib Rapture or that we are not subject to or appointed to Wrath.

Look up every one and meditate on it, pray about it...and come back with questions of you like.
I would add that Rev 14:14 destroys the false notion of only one coming,
And ...that all rapture verses have the setting of peacetime, normal life and every day activities, as well as commerce and planning for the future.
....again totally destroying any hope of a postrib rapture, as they need an opposite setting.

Acts 1, can be added also because " like manner" has a solo Jesus, with no setting of rev 19s warrior Jesus in power and glory....and no horses.
( only those that belonged to him were present)
 
This is the Lord I know also who has a plan to save his people from judgment just as in the days of Noah and Lot.

I wouldn't take my Fiancé to a gang fight before the wedding reception, and if I wouldn't do that, how much more so The Lord? !!

This is the Jesus I know. God is Love, He don't do that stuff to the people He Loves! Period.
 
Orange is not my color, so I can't wear it, but I'll try to incorporate the color in stuff I use like notebooks and pens.


You said that you might get mad. That makes me wonder, what do you think we get to do when we go with Jesus to armageddon? While He's coming after satan, the antichrist, and the false prophet, do we get to fight too? Or just stand there to witness Jesus kicking their butts?


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The wedding supper is in heaven.
Reference Rev 19 where the bride has become the wife, and the last supper dialogue, has Jesus making a place in heaven for his bride "that where I am you may be also"

Postrib doctrine has the church never entering heaven.
Once the bride and groom are in the debate, it is a game changer.

But it is actually beyond that, because the entire end time dynamic is the groom coming for the bride.

IOW ....if the main ingredient is omitted, understanding end times will be a fog.
 
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I wouldn't take my Fiancé to a gang fight before the wedding reception, and if I wouldn't do that, how much more so The Lord? !!

This is the Jesus I know. God is Love, He don't do that stuff to the people He Loves! Period.
Yes
Plus there are actually 5 escape verses.
 
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I would add that Rev 14:14 destroys the false notion of only one coming,
And ...that all rapture verses have the setting of peacetime, normal life and every day activities, as well as commerce and planning for the future.
....again totally destroying any hope of a postrib rapture, as they need an opposite setting.

Acts 1, can be added also because " like manner" has a solo Jesus, with no setting of rev 19s warrior Jesus in power and glory....and no horses.
( only those that belonged to him were present)

Revelation 14:14-15
14 Then I saw a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was someone like the Son of Man.[c] He had a gold crown on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand.

15 Then another angel came from the Temple and shouted to the one sitting on the cloud, “Swing the sickle, for the time of harvest has come; the crop on earth is ripe.” 16 So the one sitting on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the whole earth was harvested..../NLT

I see that Brother and I will add this to my notes! So He comes in the clouds, nothing about the Mt. of Olives there. The one on the cloud swings the sickle and (Raptures) the Bride.

Thanks Brother!
 
Bingo
Postrib rapture is not found anywhere.

So, would it be safe to say that post tribbers don't know the Lord? They read the same scriptures as we do (I think), I suppose that we are Blessed to have been given eyes to see.

The Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth. But it takes study to show ourselves approved, and spending time with the Lord. Our Lord is such a good Lord! He does something for me every day. I could flood this board with the Testimonies of them, but, It would likely be for many of them, too small and inconsequential to people and so they wouldn't believe it unless, they spend time with the Lord too and have met Him. It adds to discernment of the truth. I can listen to someone else's testimony and can tell, hey that sounds like something my Lord would do (or not do!). So I know it's true. But if they don't know the Lord they wont know these things. The Lord is a very Nice guy !!

I was behind $2000 on rent, had a $300 shut off notice for Monday (this was Saturday) and I was having a garage sale to make it through my slow season. ...and, my landlord showed up with my 3 day notice. He said I like you Ed but I have bills too and you're too far behind...He left and I got scared. I've never been homeless before and didn't have the money to move. So I prayed and asked the Lord for Help, Amen.

It was dusk by then so I closed up the garage and went in the house. As soon as I sat down, the phone rang. Some guy seen my garage sale ad on Craigslist and wondered if he could come by after he gets off work. I said yes and he showed up right on time and as soon as we stepped in the garage he says, How much do you need? What kind of question is that? I ignored it and went into salesman mode, picking up knick knacks and telling him about them and he says again, How much do you need? I didnt know how to answer such a strange question. I didn't know he was an Angel of the Lord yet. Then he says well, how about $1900 for everything on that table?

That stuff wasn't worth that much! I knew he was joking but the question gave ne brain lock and I just looked at him. Then he said, ok how about $2400 then? By this time, I wanted to hear the punch line! So I said, sure, that's fine. And the punch line was, he counted out 24 $100 bills and handed them to me. He asked if I had a box or two to gather the stuff. Sure. I was helping him load up the stuff from the table and he says I wont need that what you just put in there...and then he says that either, or that. You can hang on to this too...?? Now something aint right here. Garage sale customers do not act like that! I helped him load up what he wanted and he left prolly 25% of the tables contents on the table and he just paid for them! We shook hands and he left. As I was walking inside back down the stairs to the family room I slid my hand into my pocket and felt that wad of $100 bills, and I said, Praise the Lord! And it hit me, I had prayed not quite two hours ago for help and I got it!. I figured the amount, $2000 for the behind rent, $300 for utilities and...$100 bucks for groceries! The Lord is soo Good!

He helps me find stuff that I misplace at home, I was out of coffee once and thought about praying for help, more work or something. Then I remembred God's word says He knows our needs before we ask, so don't worry about what you will eat or wear. SO I thought, ok so I dont have to pray about it, He knows. And in less than 30 minutes a 2 LB bag of coffee knocked on my door!

That, is my Lord.
 
So, would it be safe to say that post tribbers don't know the Lord? They read the same scriptures as we do (I think), I suppose that we are Blessed to have been given eyes to see.

The Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth. But it takes study to show ourselves approved, and spending time with the Lord. Our Lord is such a good Lord! He does something for me every day. I could flood this board with the Testimonies of them, but, It would likely be for many of them, too small and inconsequential to people and so they wouldn't believe it unless, they spend time with the Lord too and have met Him. It adds to discernment of the truth. I can listen to someone else's testimony and can tell, hey that sounds like something my Lord would do (or not do!). So I know it's true. But if they don't know the Lord they wont know these things. The Lord is a very Nice guy !!

I was behind $2000 on rent, had a $300 shut off notice for Monday (this was Saturday) and I was having a garage sale to make it through my slow season. ...and, my landlord showed up with my 3 day notice. He said I like you Ed but I have bills too and you're too far behind...He left and I got scared. I've never been homeless before and didn't have the money to move. So I prayed and asked the Lord for Help, Amen.

It was dusk by then so I closed up the garage and went in the house. As soon as I sat down, the phone rang. Some guy seen my garage sale ad on Craigslist and wondered if he could come by after he gets off work. I said yes and he showed up right on time and as soon as we stepped in the garage he says, How much do you need? What kind of question is that? I ignored it and went into salesman mode, picking up knick knacks and telling him about them and he says again, How much do you need? I didnt know how to answer such a strange question. I didn't know he was an Angel of the Lord yet. Then he says well, how about $1900 for everything on that table?

That stuff wasn't worth that much! I knew he was joking but the question gave ne brain lock and I just looked at him. Then he said, ok how about $2400 then? By this time, I wanted to hear the punch line! So I said, sure, that's fine. And the punch line was, he counted out 24 $100 bills and handed them to me. He asked if I had a box or two to gather the stuff. Sure. I was helping him load up the stuff from the table and he says I wont need that what you just put in there...and then he says that either, or that. You can hang on to this too...?? Now something aint right here. Garage sale customers do not act like that! I helped him load up what he wanted and he left prolly 25% of the tables contents on the table and he just paid for them! We shook hands and he left. As I was walking inside back down the stairs to the family room I slid my hand into my pocket and felt that wad of $100 bills, and I said, Praise the Lord! And it hit me, I had prayed not quite two hours ago for help and I got it!. I figured the amount, $2000 for the behind rent, $300 for utilities and...$100 bucks for groceries! The Lord is soo Good!

He helps me find stuff that I misplace at home, I was out of coffee once and thought about praying for help, more work or something. Then I remembred God's word says He knows our needs before we ask, so don't worry about what you will eat or wear. SO I thought, ok so I dont have to pray about it, He knows. And in less than 30 minutes a 2 LB bag of coffee knocked on my door!

That, is my Lord.
Wow.
That is amazing and a great testimony.

Concerning postribbers and salvation, I do think most of them are saved.

My eschatology is not part of determining salvation.

Most of us are passionate about our beliefs. So, if not careful , our investment in study can become a battle when challenged.
I always try to go concept vs concept, so I have no need to belittle or call my challenger names.
( not always, but I try to stick with the bible and not emotions.)

Usually though if they go personal and get radical, I push back.

Some in here are trolls. They seem miserable and hateful.

I hope they get some Jesus time in, and He will make them sweet.
 
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Ok so post them Brother! Maybe I don't have them in my notes?
1) Noah escaped into the ark preflood.
2) Lot escaped the fire pre judgement.
3) The baby Jesus escaped herod and went to Egypt.
4) Jesus said to pray that you may escape the things about to come upon the world and stand before the Son of God.
5) Jesus said " because you have kept the word of my testimony, I will keep you from the hour of trial about to come upon the world." ( in the 7 letters to the 7 churches).

I pray that prayer all the time that Jesus commanded us to pray.
" Lord don't let me miss the rapture."

No postrib can pray that prayer. If they did, it would be fake.
Their faith is not "come Lord Jesus".
Their faith is ;" I know you aren't coming"

So they will be rewarded for their faith, and stay to be beheaded. ( The virgin parable. The foolish virgins are saved believers that were carnal. They get martyred)

Or walk is a walk of Faith.
I can line up with Jesus and be benefitted with his intentions for me, or I can miss out and receive a bad reward....due to a misplaced emphesis...FAITH.
 
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1) Noah escaped into the ark preflood.
2) Lot escaped the fire pre judgement.
3) The baby Jesus escaped herod and went to Egypt.
4) Jesus said to pray that you may escape the things about to come upon the world and stand before the Son of God.
5) Jesus said " because you have kept the word of my testimony, I will keep you from the hour of trial about to come upon the world." ( in the 7 letters to the 7 churches).

I pray that prayer all the time that Jesus commanded us to pray.
" Lord don't let me miss the rapture."

No postrib can pray that prayer. If they did, it would be fake.
Their faith is not "come Lord Jesus".
Their faith is ;" I know you aren't coming"

So they will be rewarded for their faith, and stay to be beheaded. ( The virgin parable. The foolish virgins are saved believers that were carnal. They get martyred)

Or walk is a walk of Faith.
I can line up with Jesus and be benefitted with his intentions for me, or I can miss out and receive a bad reward....due to a misplaced emphesis...FAITH.
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I would have to disagree that post-trib christians would be excluded from the rapture. We all have many many mistakes and yet forgiven.

They too are forgiven by faith even tho their journey of understanding is not yet complete.
 
this whole debate is so pointless. once you understand daniel's 70 weeks have been fulfilled, the idea of pre or post or mid trib becomes meaningless. there is no 7 year tribulation.
 
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I would have to disagree that post-trib christians would be excluded from the rapture. We all have many many mistakes and yet forgiven.

They too are forgiven by faith even tho their journey of understanding is not yet complete.
They are not waiting for Jesus.

The rapture is the saved bride gathered.
That bride is worthy.
Not all the church is the bride.
JESUS tells BELIEVERS " ... Pray that you may be counted worthy to escape the things that are about to come upon the Earth, and stand before the son of man"

Postribbers do not pray that. They actually say "he can't come in the rapture until after the trib"....so that command is rejected by them.
Then, In the 7 letters to the seven churches. Jesus says; "because you have kept the word of my testimony. I will also keep you from the hour of trial about to come upon the whole world."

In both escape verses by Jesus, I am required to meet conditions, apart from salvation.


In all the escape verses, only the worthy ones escaped.
In the virgin parable and mat24 we see believers left behind.
 
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They are not waiting for Jesus.

The rapture is the saved bride gathered.
That bride is worthy.
Not all the church is the bride.
JESUS tells BELIEVERS " ... Pray that you may be counted worthy to escape the things that are about to come upon the Earth, and stand before the son of man"

Postribbers do not pray that. They actually say "he can't come in the rapture until after the trib"....so that command is rejected by them.
Then, In the 7 letters to the seven churches. Jesus says; "because you have kept the word of my testimony. I will also keep you from the hour of trial about to come upon the whole world."

In both escape verses by Jesus, I am required to meet conditions, apart from salvation.


In all the escape verses, only the worthy ones escaped.
In the virgin parable and mat24 we see believers left behind.
Amen Brother. Some are left behind and are believers and they dont lose their salvation by being left behind, unless they take the Mark of the Beast.