In Exodus 20:6, God wanted His people to love Hm and obeying His commandments, so obedience to God has always been a matter of the heart and God has always disdained it when His children honored Him with their lips while their hearts were far from him (Isaiah 29:13). Someone having a circumcised heart only refers to them being a doer of the Law of Moses (Deuteronomy 30:6, Romans 2:25) while someone having an uncircumcised heart only refers to them not being a doer of it (Jeremiah 9:25, Acts 7:51-53). Changing the medium upon which the Law of Moses is written from on stone to our hearts does not change the content of what it instructs. For example, the command to keep the Sabbath holy written on stone has the same content of as the command to keep the Sabbath holy written on our hearts. The New Covenant involves God putting the Law of Moses in our minds and writing it on our hearts so that we will obey it, not so that we will concoct reasons for refusing to obey it.
Faith or Law?
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I did reply to that, but you must have missed it. The Law of Moses requires for the sacrifices to be done at the Temple, but there is no transgression for not following laws that can't currently be followed. For example, the Israelites were given a number of laws that had the condition 'when you enter the land..." while they were still wandering the wilderness for 40 years. Likewise, when the Israelites were exiled to Babylon after the destruction of the 1st Temple, then the condition for their return to the land was to first return to obedience to the Law of Moses, which contains laws in regard to Temple practice that they could no longer practice, so when there are laws that we can no longer obey, then we should nevertheless be faith to obey the laws that we can obey, and we can look to what they did for guidance when there is no Temple.
This verses supports that Paul also taught the Gospel of the Kingdom that Christ taught:
Acts 14:21-22 “When they had preached the gospel to that city and had made many disciples, they returned to Lystra and to Iconium and to Antioch, strengthening the souls of the disciples, encouraging them to continue in the faith, and saying that through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God.”
It is not true that the law gives us "knowledge of what sin is". Eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil did that. On the contrary, the law teaches those who read it that God sees their sins, does not like it, has declared them guilty, and has condemned them to eternal death because of it. That is why it is said, "the letter kills" (2 Cor 3:6).
The law, therefore, is our teacher. It teaches us we are sinners in need of a Savior. And when we find the Savior, we don't need the teacher any more. That is why it is said, "24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor." (Gal 3:24–25)
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It is now an internal law, and you know the requirements of that law without having to know of biblical law as Paul tells us. Which shows, much of what you follow was never written in your mind and placed on your heart by God, for you would have known nothing of it had you not read external law
Why do you intentionally misrepresent the word of God like this? It clearly states that the Gentiles were not given the law.
Does that mean they are permitted to sin? No.
What it does mean is…
God did not give them the law.
Those gentiles who believe in Christ don’t need the law because they are given the Holy Spirit to guide them in righteousness.
So then are you deny the truth of Romans 3:20? How can the Law of Moses teach us that we are sinners in need of a Savior if it doesn't teach us what sin is?
No, Adam and Eve were at a crossroads between eternal life and morality before they had eaten from either tree, where eating from the Tree of Knowledge caused them to become mortal while eating from the Tree of Life would have caused them to have eternal life. In Romans 10:5-8, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to the righteousness that is by faith proclaiming that the Law of Moses is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience to it brings death and a curse, so choose life! So the Israelites were at the same crossroads between life and death and the Law of Moses gives us both options.
When we don't see anything wrong with doing what God has commanded against or with not doing what God has commanded, then we have a choice between whether we are going to learn on our own understanding of right and wrong by doing what is right in our own eyes (Tree of Knowledge) or whether we are going to trust in God with all of our heart to correctly divide between right and wrong through obeying His law in all of our ways and He will make our way straight (Tree of Life)(Proverbs 3:1-7, 18). Likewise in Revelation 22:14, those who kept God's commandments are given the right to eat from the Tree of Life.
In Deuteronomy 32:46-47, the Law of Moses is our very life. In Leviticus 18:5, those who obey the Law of Moses will live by it. In Proverbs 6:23, for the commandment is a lamp and the teaching a light, and the reproofs of discipline are the way of life. In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus affirmed that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments of the Law of Moses. In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that the way to enter eternal life is by obeying God's commandments. In Hebrews 5:9, Jesus has become a source of eternal salvation for those who obey him. In Romans 2:6-7, those who persist in doing good will be given eternal life. In Romans 6:19-23, we are no longer to present ourselves as slaves to lawlessness, impurity, and sin, but are now to present ourselves as slaves to God and to righteousness leading to sanctification, and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, which is the gift of God, so being a doer of the Law of Moses is God's gift of eternal life.
In Acts 5:32, the Spirit has been given to those who obey God. In John 16:13, the Spirit has the role of leading us in truth, in Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Law of Moses, and in Psalm 119:142, the Law of Moses is truth. In John 16:8, the Spirit has the role of convicting us of sin, and in Romans 3:20, it is by the Law of Moses that we have knowledge of what sin is. In Romans 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of Moses. In Galatians 5:16-23, Paul contrasted the desires of the Spirit with the desires of the flesh and everything that he listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Law of Moses while all of the fruits of the Spirit are character traits of God that the Law of Moses was given in order to teach us how to embody. In Romans 2:25-29, the way to recognize that a Gentile has a circumcised heart is by observing their obedience to the Law of Moses and circumcision of the heart is a matter of the Spirit, which is in contrast with Acts 7:51-53, where those who have uncircumcised heart resist the Spirit and do not obey the Law of Moses.
The New Covenant involves God putting the Law of Moses in our minds and writing it on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33) and God taking away our hearts of stone, giving us hearts of flesh, and sending His Spirit to lead us in obedience to the Law of Moses. So the Bible repeatedly states that the New Covenant involves following the Law of Moses, that the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey it, and that obedience to it brings life, so 2 Corinthians 3:6 needs to be understood in a way that is in accordance with the rest of the Bible rather than away that overturns it. If following the letter referred to correctly following God's instructions and that leads to death, then that would mean that God would be misleading us and should not be trusted, but rather there must be something deficient about following the letter that causes it to lead to death rather than life.
In Exodus 33:13, Mosses wanted Go to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the Law of Moses is to graciously teach us how to know God and Jesus by walking in His way, which again is His gift of eternal life (John 17:3).
Someone who disregarded everything that their teacher taught them after they reached the point where they no longer needed a teacher would be missing the whole point of a teacher. The Law of Moses leads us to Christ because it was given in order to teach us how to know Him, or in other words, how to have an intimate relationship with him, but it does not lead us to him so that we can then reject everything that he taught and go back to being workers of lawlessness. In Acts 3:25-26, Jesus was sent as the promised seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness, not in order to curse us by freeing us to become doers of what the Law oft Moses reveals to be wickedness. Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21) it is by the Law of Moses that we have knowledge of what sin is, so Jesus graciously teaching us to be doer of it is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being doers of it. In other words, the Law of Moses does not just teach us of our need for a Savior but also teaches us the way that he is saving us.
These quote things are making me crazy and I KNOW this system can be changed.
Why it is not is a mystery to me.
Simple programming.
Maybe no more space - I don't know.
But I lost my whole post to you because of this.
Anyway, yes, THIS is the problem.
No temple.
Law cannot be followed.
Here's another problem:
I asked if you've stoned anyone lately.
I'd say that you cannot.
Because the laws of your country will not allow it.
The point is: THE LAW CANNOT BE FOLLOWED.
This is besides the fact that the Apostles did NOT TEACH THIS.
Jesus came to FULFILL the Law.
This means that it is now COMPLETE and no longer requires being followed.
Why do you keep mentioning the Kingdom of God?
What does it mean to you?
Another example of people struggling to hold two ideas in their mind at the same time. How many times must it be said,
God lavishes His spirit on you and works miracles among us because you BOTH practice the law AND you hear and believe.
James 2:22
James 2:24
James 2:26
Matt 25: 31-46
Matt 7:21
2Cor 5:10
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So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? Gal3:5
Deuteronomy 30 forms the basis for the New Covenant by prophesying about a time when the Israelites would return from exile, God would circumcise their hearts, and they would return to obedience to the Law of Moses, which is what Jeremiah 31:33 and Ezekiel 36:26-27 are speaking in regard to, where God will put the Law of Moses in our minds and write it on our hearts, and where He will take away our hearts of stone, give us hearts of flesh, and send His Spirit to lead us in obedience to the Law of Moses. In Romans 2:13-15, Paul said that only the doers of the Law of Moses will be justified and that Gentile believers will be nature be doers of the Law of Moses, but he did not say anything about Gentiles being doers of the Law of Moses without knowing it. All of the Laws that God has given are intended to be internalized (Deuteronomy 10:12-16).
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I only needed to read your first line. The basis of the new covenant is found in Heb10:15-18, or Jeremiah 31
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This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[b]
17 Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.
It is what God said he WILL DO, He can be relied upon to do what he promised. Its a new covenant now, NOT the old one!
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But as Jesus said:
And many after drinking the old wine don't want the new, for they say: The old is better Luke5:39
And many after drinking the old wine don't want the new, for they say: The old is better Luke5:39
I'm sorry that happened to you. I just manually type the quote tags, but I agree I'm not sure why they don't make it easier.
No one has have been required to follow every single law and not even Jesus obeyed the laws in regard to giving birth or to having a period, so the fact that there are laws that we can't currently follow doesn't mean that we shouldn't be faithful to obey the laws that we can follow.
The Apostles certainly did teach against sin and say that it is by the Law of Moses that we have knowledge of what sin is.
Jesus did not invent the concept of fulfilling the law, so we should seek to understand what he meant within the context of what it meant within Judaism before Jesus said that he came to fulfill it in the way that his audience would have understood him. In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law in contrast with saying that he came not to abolish it and he warned against relaxing the least part of it or teaching others to relax the least part of it, so Jesus fulfilling the law should not be interpreted as meaning the same thing as abolishing it or as relaxing even the least part of it. Rather, "to fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be (NAS Greek Lexicon: pleroo), so Jesus proceeded to fulfill the law throughout the rest of the chapter by correcting what the people had heard being said and by teaching how to correctly obey it as it was originally intended.
According to Galatians 5:14, anyone who has loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire law, so again it refers to correctly obeying it as it should be, moreover, it refers to something that countless people have done and should continue to do in perpetuity, not to something unique that Jesus did on the cross. In Galatians 6:2, bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, so you should interpret that in the same way that you interpret fulfilling the Law of Moses.
In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Law of Moses was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom/Grace, and I have been trying to establish that Paul also taught the same Gospel. The Kingdom of God was the main topic that Jesus taught about and refers to the Messianic Era.
I see no point conversing with someone who can't or won't read what we just written. Did you not see or did you not understand what I posted? I can't talk with someone who can't or won't hold more than one idea in their mind at a.time. There's no point to it.
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If you love God and in your heart desire to please him, you won't need to look to an external law, you can look to Christ and trust in the sanctification of the Spirit to bring you, your hearts desire. The result of which are the fruits of the spirit in your life, against that fruit there is no law. For that fruit is the embodiment of how God wants you to live your life
Deuteronomy 30 is the basis for Jeremiah 31, which is what Hebrews 10:15-18 is quoting. The context of Jeremiah 31 is in regard to the Israelites returning from exile, God circumcising their hearts, and them returning to obedience to the Law of Moses, which is in accordance with what Deuteronomy 30 prophesies.
Indeed, and that is what God says that he will do in Deuteronomy 30:6. I agree that the New Covenant is not the old one, though it is still made with the same God with the same eternal character traits and therefore the same eternally and cumulatively valid instructions for how to embody His character traits. For example, being a doer of charity was a way to embody God's righteousness before He made any covenants with man, so that is an eternally valid way to know God regardless of which covenants someone is under, if any.
You are blatantly using that parable out of context. Jesus had just finished selecting his disciples and was being questioned about his selection in regard to why they were not fasting, so he answered their question by giving a couple of parables in regard to the types of disciples.
The way to love God is by experiencing embodying His character traits, such as the way to love justice is by being a doer of justice, the way to love holiness is by being a doer of His instructions for how to be holy as He is holy, and so forth. In other words, the goal of everything that God has commanded is to teach us how to love different aspects of His character traits, which is why the Bible says repeatedly in both the OT and the NT that the way to love God is by obeying His commandments. Moreover, God's character traits are the fruits of the Spirit, which is why the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Law of God (Ezekiel 36:26-27). We can't embody God's character traits instead of following His instructions for how to do that.
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I understand your new covenant, a person must read all the mosaic laws, internalise them and live by them, except, that is NOT the new covenant. It is what God says He WILL DO, not what man will do!!
You must know in your mind what God has placed in your mind!!
Looking to an external law is old covenant, not new:
You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Cor3:3
Again, I agree that God said he would do that in Deuteronomy 30:6, which is the basis for the New Covenant. If someone wants nothing to do with obeying the Law of Moses, then they also want nothing to do with being under the New Covenant.