The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[TMS]

Do you understand the distinction between "valid" and "void"? I'm sure you do, and your comment is just carelessness.

Don't treat the words of others (or the words of Scripture) with carelessness, lest you be accused of bearing false witness.

The commandments are part of the Law. We are not under the Law.


If I follow the guidance of the indwelling Holy Spirit, I keep the commandments by default.

So should we, or should we not keep the 10 commandments?

All 10 were perfect when God gave them, and nothing has been said that makes the law void today.

 

[Cameron143]

From my experience you don't need to give the devil or the flesh permission to take control. We are naturally carnal. But walking in the Spirit is a choice we make by choosing to surrender self.

When we choose to follow the Spirit we are saying not my will be done but thy will. We are choosing to let the Spirit control us rather then the flesh.

Prayer, study, praise, all helps to maintain your connection with Jesus.
Be more specific, I'm not sure what you mean by Spiritual disciplines.. like I said prayer, bible study and praising God are important.

You don't seem to be getting my point. My point is: we don't practice obedience by trying to practice obedience. We simply obey as we walk according to the Spirit.

The reason I asked about spiritual disciplines is because while following them has some inherent value, the true value of the spiritual disciplines is that these are the practices that put us in God's presence. For example, when we pray in secret, we meet with God who is in secret. When we enjoy fellowship, we meet with Jesus who said when we gather in His name, He will be in the midst of us. When we worship and praise God, He inhabits the praises of His people. I could go on, but you get the point.

So..
I never wake and endeavor to obey. I simply wake up and do the things that place me in God's presence. Then I just walk in the light.

 

[CrystalAnkles]

Not many have said they are made void.
But many have said we can't keep them
Or they say they only apply to the Jews or they say they have changed..

By saying we can't keep them or they are changed, they are saying they are not valid today.

Do you believe we should aim to obey the 10 commandments by the power of The Holy Spirit. Through Christ's imparted righteousness can you obey all of the 10 commandment?

First,consider this. Many don't know the Roman Catholic Church list of ten commandments vary from the Protestant.

The RCC deleted the 2nd command against idolatry.

https://www.teachingtheword.org/?columnid=5444&articleid=64839

I can obey the ten commandments. Can you?
If we slip,as we know, we have an advocate on Heaven. Repentance grants forgiveness.

Another thing often overlooked it seems by those who insist the ten no longer apply is,God said he wrote his laws on our hearts.

If they claim we are not under the law,what laws would those be?

 

[Dino246]

So should we, or should we not keep the 10 commandments?

All 10 were perfect when God gave them, and nothing has been said that makes the law void today.

If you truly understood the work of the Holy Spirit, you would not ask that question.

 

[CrystalAnkles]

Wow, what a coincidence! Both you and HigherGospel must live in the same town.
The town must be at least 80 miles from the nearest civilization and only has one church. Limited choice! Otherwise, you would have no excuse other than you are unwilling to make any effort or you cannot find anyone who is interested in listening to your babble.

Well,that post shows the good church is doing for you.
Wow!

 

[Dino246]

Fundermental teachings like
What happens when you die,
Zionism
Tougnes
Osas
Predestination
Righteousness by faith
The Trinity
The Divinity of Jesus.

The churches are divided on many of these doctrines but if we read the Bible with the leading of God's Spirit we will be lead to the same place.

Since when does "Zionism" belong in the same list as "the divinity of Jesus"? You have a strange idea of "fundamentals".

 

[James456]

I can obey the ten commandments. Can you?

Another thing often overlooked it seems by those who insist the ten no longer apply is,God said he wrote his laws on our hearts.

If they claim we are not under the law,what laws would those be?

You are not under the law in your heart
But as you can obey the ten commandments you will be fine either way

 

[CrystalAnkles]

You are not under the law in your heart

?

But as you can obey the ten commandments you will be fine either way

OK

 

[James456]

?

OK

Being under the law is being under righteousness of obeying the law:
Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth Romans10:4

 

[CrystalAnkles]

Being under the law is being under righteousness of obeying the law:

That's not what being under the law means.

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth Romans10:4

Where in your belief system does the maw enter in or apply?

 

[James456]

That's not what being under the law means.

Isn't it?
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
But now(not before) apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in[h] Jesus Christ to all who believe Rom3:20-22

Hence:
Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth

 

[CrystalAnkles]

That's not what being under the law means.

Where in your belief system does the law enter in or apply?

 

[CrystalAnkles]

Isn't it?
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
But now(not before) apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in[h] Jesus Christ to all who believe Rom3:20-22

Hence:
Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth

I wish you the best with your belief system.

 

[James456]

Well Im under the laws of my country, so, if I obey them I have right standing with my government, but if you disagree fine:

This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[b]
17 Then he adds:

“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”[

 

[James456]

I wish you the best with your belief system.

Thank you

 

[studier]

Wow, what a coincidence! Both you and HigherGospel must live in the same town.
The town must be at least 80 miles from the nearest civilization and only has one church. Limited choice! Otherwise, you would have no excuse other than you are unwilling to make any effort or you cannot find anyone who is interested in listening to your babble.

Why are you picking a fight with me potato brain?

 

[JimiSurvivor]

Not many have said they are made void.
But many have said we can't keep them
Or they say they only apply to the Jews or they say they have changed..

By saying we can't keep them or they are changed, they are saying they are not valid today.

Do you believe we should aim to obey the 10 commandments by the power of The Holy Spirit. Through Christ's imparted righteousness can you obey all of the 10 commandment?

A. I, for one, am NOT saying the moral law is ONLY for the Jews or that the essence of Moses 10 moral commands are no longer valid for believers. God, who made us knows the way we should go. In His Parable of the Unfaithful Servant (Luke 12:35-40)
Jesus presents the case of a servant awaiting his masters return. He describes two possible outcomes which depend on whether the servant is faithful or unfaithful In the parable, the unfaithful servant is described as one who say in his heart:
48....‘My master delays,’ 49 and should begin to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and to drink with those being drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come in a day in which he does not expect, and in an hour which he is unaware, 51 and will cut him in pieces, and will appoint his place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
(Matthew 24:49-51)
Note that this "appointment" or reappointment represents a radical change from the outcome originally planned for Him.

B. This parable is not referring to someone who yields to temptation, commits a sin and subsequently repents but, rather to a person who falls a habitual "lifestyle" of sin.
C. As to whether we CAN obey God's will. Certainly, we cannot do so by our own strength. Jesus said "without Me you can do nothing" However, Paul also said "I am able to do all things through him who strengthens me (Phil 4:13)
D. All that being said, I do not believe we should make keeping the Ten Commandments our goal rather the commands of Jesus

 

[JimiSurvivor]

It's not even decent entertainment - the shows they put on are designed to deceive people. I used to go to a church back in the day they frequently put on skits that were not very entertaining at all.

They wrap their deception inside the shows that put on and some even make people buy tickets to be able to get in the show to be deceived.

I was once a Church musician and for many years I was part of the "show." Sometimes we seemed to move people in the right direction - While my Church did not use techniques of manipulation such as stage smoke or lights, we were, nevertheless performers rather than proclaimers. This sort of thing has been going on for centuries. Some of it inspires people to draw near to God and that is a good thing. It only is bad when the show itself becomes the focus.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

D. All that being said, I do not believe we should make keeping the Ten Commandments our goal rather the commands of Jesus

You know its One of the same right? Jesus is the one speaking at Mt Sinai and the Ten Commandments are under His mercy seat Exo25:21 Exo31:18 Rev15:5 Rev11:19- the God we are to only worship started in the very first comamndment Exo20:3 Rev14:7 and 4th commandment tells us which God that is Exo20:11 Rev14:7

 

[BillyBob]

A few questions for everyone. . .

When you read through the Ten Commandments, do you tend to prioritize them? In other words, would you consider that [You shall not covet] is less offensive than [You shall not murder]?

And, if so, do you think that God does the same, or are they equal in His sight?