The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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This is highly unlikely in most western cultures....unless you are saying that the average person cannot list them all. Most people gunderstand that such actions as murder, adultery and theft are wrong.

Their priority instead is to insist,Christians aren't to consider them valid.
So, in your view, people (even nominal Christians) do not think moral laws prohibiting theft, adultery and murder are wrong? While people are lawless this does not mean they do not know at (least in theory) that such behaviors are "wrong" This admission does not mean they understand the essence of their evil.

Jesus said,if we live him we will keep his commands Upon those commands, boiled down to,live God with all our mind and heart,and our neighbor as ourselves,are that upon which all the laws and prophets hang.
In context, Jesus was not referring simply to the ten commandments that were given by Moses. Jesus was referring specifically to HIS commands, which are far deeper applying to the thoughts and motives of the heart.

Even those who understand and seek to follow the Law of Moses are often unaware of the scope and depth of its application. When I lived in Israel, I discovered that many Rabbis denied Jesus moral teaching that we are responsible for what they allow to go on in our minds, insisting that sin was strictly behavioral. Thus, they could indulge in pornography of any kind whether mental or visual so long as they did not PRACTICE those things. By contrast, Jesus taught that the heart is seat of desires and motives by which ALL humanity would be judged in the Day Christ appears.

The Sabbath was made for us. It was never repealed. And if we are all 9 e in Christ,and we actually believe that,we can never argue morality, the 10 commandments,don't apply to us because it is for Jews only.

Your make the point that Shabbat was never repealed. However, it is evident from history that the earliest Christians ceased to practice Shabbat as the Jews had done. Instead, they CHANGED the day of worship and rest from Shabbat (the SEVENTH day) to Yom Rishon (the FIRST DAY) to the FIRST (1 Cor. 16:1-2) because that was the day Jesus was resurrected. Just as Shabbat commemorated the completion of the Old Creation on the seventh day so the FIRST DAY (Yom Rishon) looks forward to the NEW DAY when mankind and the planet would be RESTORED AND RECREATED.

Christ said He was Lord of the Sabbath. Both Father and Son had created the original universe by sequential periods. Not only that but the author of Hebrews tells us that the Son continues to hold it together by "the word of His power (Hebrews 1:1-3). Does He not, therefore have the authority to establish a new day of worship based upon His greatest work which is redemption?

While I was a member of a Messianic congregation I kept Shabbat. However, I would never judge any believer for worshiping on another day as Paul said: 5 One person regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes a SPECIAL DAY does so to the Lord; he who eats does so to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.…(Romans 14:5-6)

Historically, the earliest practice of the new covenant believers was to assemble and eat the covenant meal together on the first day of the week. The purpose of “coming together” was for fellowship and worship. We have an example of this in Acts 20 o “on the first day of the week” (v. 7). The day on which the early church was commanded to assemble was “the first day of the week” not the Sabbath
(1 Cor. 16:1-2).
I'll make my reply short.

Christians who insist the 10 commandments no longer apply are not to be taken seriously as self professed Christians.
Because what they're saying is a lie.

As to Sabbath, early Christians practiced Sabbath. Paul's ministry shows this.

Roman converts were persecuted for being Christian. Until they decided to worship on the same day Roman pagans worshipped their sun god. Sunday. Thinking this would lead Roman authorities to think they were in compliance with the prohibition against their faith and practice.

God never changed the day of rest he made for man. Man did.
That's a mistake.
 
Who says the ten commandments "are not valid"? Please quote them.

Or admit that you can't, because no knowledgable Christian says that.
Not many have said they are made void.
But many have said we can't keep them
Or they say they only apply to the Jews or they say they have changed..

By saying we can't keep them or they are changed, they are saying they are not valid today.

Do you believe we should aim to obey the 10 commandments by the power of The Holy Spirit. Through Christ's imparted righteousness can you obey all of the 10 commandment?
 
Agree. And some of us don't see the reason for assembling being entertainment.
Wow, what a coincidence! Both you and HigherGospel must live in the same town.
The town must be at least 80 miles from the nearest civilization and only has one church. Limited choice! Otherwise, you would have no excuse other than you are unwilling to make any effort or you cannot find anyone who is interested in listening to your babble.
 
Not many have said they are made void.
But many have said we can't keep them
Or they say they only apply to the Jews or they say they have changed..

By saying we can't keep them or they are changed, they are saying they are not valid today.

Do you believe we should aim to obey the 10 commandments by the power of The Holy Spirit. Through Christ's imparted righteousness can you obey all of the 10 commandment?
Christ's righteousness is imputed to us, which makes us righteous judicially. But our efforts shouldn't be applied towards obedience. No one ever kept the commandments by personal endeavor. It is as we walk in the Spirit that we obey. He leads us into all righteousness. So instead of trying to obey, our efforts are much better employed by getting into the light and remaining there.
 
Is Christ divided? Were the Baptists crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Pentecostalism? Are you not mere men?
No Christ is not divided but the truth is tested and tried by the word of God.

The bible needs to be the sure source of truth.
If the bible can not prove it, we need to rethink it.

Many churches are teaching doctrines based on man made theology.

These man made teachings change many things and the foundation will be like sand and not hold in the end.

Fundermental teachings like
What happens when you die,
Zionism
Tougnes
Osas
Predestination
Righteousness by faith
The Trinity
The Divinity of Jesus.

The churches are divided on many of these doctrines but if we read the Bible with the leading of God's Spirit we will be lead to the same place.
 
Do you believe we should aim to obey the 10 commandments by the power of The Holy Spirit. Through Christ's imparted righteousness can you obey all of the 10 commandment?
Certainly the Ten Commandments should be our guide on the proper way to live before God. His commands have always been to direct us in how we should live.
But, please hold up your hand if you have been able to do so. . .
We fail every day that we live to obey His commands. They are like a mirror, showing just how corrupt we really are. That is why our trust must be in the one who was able to keep them perfectly. If we trust ourself, then we are without hope.
 
Christ's righteousness is imputed to us, which makes us righteous judicially. But our efforts shouldn't be applied towards obedience. No one ever kept the commandments by personal endeavor. It is as we walk in the Spirit that we obey. He leads us into all righteousness. So instead of trying to obey, our efforts are much better employed by getting into the light and remaining there.
Christ's righteousness is also imparted.

By faith we are made like Christ.

By the Spirit we are able to obey and walk in the righteousness of Christ.
The righteousness of Christ is perfect obedience to the law.
But we need to choose who we serve.

The flesh or the Spirit..

Gal 5:16-17
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

It's a constant battle.. we need to surrender self, or die to the flesh.

Allow the Spirit to control and choose to walk in the Spirit.

Rom 8:3-6
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

You can't choose to follow the Spirit without being impressed and empowered to obey what you know is God's will.
Obedience and walking in the Spirit, can't be seperated.
 
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Christ's righteousness is also imparted.

By faith we are made like Christ.

By the Spirit we are able to obey and walk in the righteousness of Christ.
The righteousness of Christ is perfect obedience to the law.
But we need to choose who we serve.

The flesh or the Spirit..

Gal 5:16-17
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

It's a constant battle.. we need to surrender self, or die to the flesh.

Allow the Spirit to control and choose to walk in the Spirit.

Rom 8:3-6
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

You can't choose to follow the Spirit without being impressed and empowered to obey what you know is God's will.
Obedience and walking in the Spirit, can't be seperated.
I didn't say they were separated. It is Christ in us that allows for obedience. His righteousness dwells is us because He dwells in us. If one is being led of the Spirit, they will not be sinning. They won't be saying to themselves...should I do this or that? They will simply do what is right, just as Jesus did what is right.
 
Wow, what a coincidence! Both you and HigherGospel must live in the same town.
The town must be at least 80 miles from the nearest civilization and only has one church. Limited choice! Otherwise, you would have no excuse other than you are unwilling to make any effort or you cannot find anyone who is interested in listening to your babble.


Why does this bother you? You have the church all to yourself now with other like-minded folks.


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Certainly the Ten Commandments should be our guide on the proper way to live before God. His commands have always been to direct us in how we should live.
But, please hold up your hand if you have been able to do so. . .
We fail every day that we live to obey His commands. They are like a mirror, showing just how corrupt we really are. That is why our trust must be in the one who was able to keep them perfectly. If we trust ourself, then we are without hope.
If we trust ourselves we are without hope ... I agree. We can not obey in our flesh. By our own effort we will fail.

But we are told that we can obey by the power of the Spirit.

Jesus was able to obey, and the same external power that empowered Jesus to obey is available to us.

By crucifying the flesh and living in the Spirit we can live the life of obedience.

Phi 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

NO CONFIDENCE IN THE FLESH

Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The law is spiritual and holy and just and good..

But the carnal nature can't obey it and hates the law. It wants to be selfish. Lie, lust, kill, covet etc.

Rom 7:22-25
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

I thank God for Jesus .... we have a saviour that has given us the victory.. by faith in Jesus we can walk in the Spirit, we are able because of Jesus to imparts to us the power to overcome sin.


Mat 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

2Co 5:17-18
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

God can restore this image in us.. we need to believe. Have faith in His power to recreate that new life in us.
 
No Christ is not divided but the truth is tested and tried by the word of God.

The bible needs to be the sure source of truth.
If the bible can not prove it, we need to rethink it.

Many churches are teaching doctrines based on man made theology.

These man made teachings change many things and the foundation will be like sand and not hold in the end.

Fundermental teachings like
What happens when you die,
Zionism
Tougnes
Osas
Predestination
Righteousness by faith
The Trinity
The Divinity of Jesus.

The churches are divided on many of these doctrines but if we read the Bible with the leading of God's Spirit we will be lead to the same place.
Don't you think many people in many denominations could state your words in support of their particular views? Context does give people much licence with the scriptures after all
 
I'll make my reply short.

Christians who insist the 10 commandments no longer apply are not to be taken seriously as self professed Christians.
Because what they're saying is a lie.

A. I am NOT saying the Ten Commandments are obsolete or do not apply to believers. What I am saying is that Jesus commands included the essence of Moses moral commands but SUPERSEDED them by extending them to include our innermost thoughts and imaginations
For instance, whereas Moses commanded "Do not commit adultery" The Messiah went further saying:
27You have heard that it was said, (in the Law of Moses) ‘Do not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.…
(Matthew 5:27-28)
This clearly shows that God not only wants us to abstain from the sin of adultery, He also wants us to deal with the root causes of adultery which arises from our corrupt desires.

B. "You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you." The Law of Moses did not command anyone to do these things

C. Under the Law Israel had many enemies. David, seeking to ally his own interests with those of God's said to the Lord "
20 For they [God's enemies] speak against You wickedly;Your enemies take Your name in vain. 21Do I not hate them, O Lord, who hate You? And do I not loathe those who rise up against You? 22 I hate them with perfect hatred; I count them as MY [own personal] enemies.
(Psalm 139:20-22)
By contrast Christ, taught us this: 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 BUT I TELL YOU
love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

(Matthew 5:43-48)
This was a commandment of JESUS not of Moses. As such, it superseded what Moses or the Rabbis had taught before. Notice also, that since Jesus commands were aimed at deepest well-spring of sin they could not be said to overthow Moses law but, rather to fulfill them.
 
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Why do I see so many profiles where people claim to be Christian, yet admit that they do not attend church? I suppose it could be poor health or some other good reason. . . :unsure:
We are the church. Jesus taught against thinking the Temple was all important in the faith. It doesn't change when it comes to churches.

However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands.
 
I didn't say they were separated. It is Christ in us that allows for obedience. His righteousness dwells is us because He dwells in us. If one is being led of the Spirit, they will not be sinning. They won't be saying to themselves...should I do this or that? They will simply do what is right, just as Jesus did what is right.
So we can obey the 10 commandments
Not by our own power but by the Spirit of God in us. By the power of Jesus.

It isn't a single choice, it is a consistent decision. Walking in the Spirit daily and hourly. It is the battle we all need to fight. "Not my will be done but yours"

Jesus had to fight this battle and stop the carnal flesh coming to life.

Mat 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

So it is possible but we need to walk in the Spirit. Motivated by faith and love we will be transformed. The keeping of the law will become natural.

Eg... taking the Lord's name in vain..
If you are convicted and constantly make an effort to not do it you will find it becomes less and less likely. Characters are changed.

Praise God for the Spirit.
 
So we can obey the 10 commandments
Not by our own power but by the Spirit of God in us. By the power of Jesus.

It isn't a single choice, it is a consistent decision. Walking in the Spirit daily and hourly. It is the battle we all need to fight. "Not my will be done but yours"

Jesus had to fight this battle and stop the carnal flesh coming to life.

Mat 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

So it is possible but we need to walk in the Spirit. Motivated by faith and love we will be transformed. The keeping of the law will become natural.

Eg... taking the Lord's name in vain..
If you are convicted and constantly make an effort to not do it you will find it becomes less and less likely. Characters are changed.

Praise God for the Spirit.
Not my will but yours isn't trying to obey, but maintaining walking in the light.

Do you practice spiritual disciplines?
If so, to what end?
 
Don't you think many people in many denominations could state your words in support of their particular views? Context does give people much licence with the scriptures after all
Well that's the issue
People are convinced in their own minds.

But I always like to use the bible as my source of truth. People do twist the scriptures to their own destruction.

So it comes down to how truthful and willing people are to see the truth.

Eze 12:2 Son of man, thou dwellest in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they are a rebellious house.

Even the disciples didn't see clearly.
Mar 8:17-18
17 And when Jesus knew it, he saith unto them, Why reason ye, because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? have ye your heart yet hardened? 18 Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember?

And Israel
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

We are no different today
2Ti 4:2-4
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Fables
So many fables

It is interesting when you study the history of these fables. They are invented by men and women and then become doctrines of the bible... the fables of men invented by the devil.
 
Not many have said they are made void.
But many have said we can't keep them
Or they say they only apply to the Jews or they say they have changed..

By saying we can't keep them or they are changed, they are saying they are not valid today.
Do you understand the distinction between "valid" and "void"? I'm sure you do, and your comment is just carelessness.

Don't treat the words of others (or the words of Scripture) with carelessness, lest you be accused of bearing false witness.

The commandments are part of the Law. We are not under the Law.

Do you believe we should aim to obey the 10 commandments by the power of The Holy Spirit. Through Christ's imparted righteousness can you obey all of the 10 commandment?
If I follow the guidance of the indwelling Holy Spirit, I keep the commandments by default.
 
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Well that's the issue
People are convinced in their own minds.

But I always like to use the bible as my source of truth. People do twist the scriptures to their own destruction.

So it comes down to how truthful and willing people are to see the truth.

Eze 12:2 Son of man, thou dwellest in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they are a rebellious house.

Even the disciples didn't see clearly.
Mar 8:17-18
17 And when Jesus knew it, he saith unto them, Why reason ye, because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? have ye your heart yet hardened? 18 Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember?

And Israel
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

We are no different today
2Ti 4:2-4
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Fables
So many fables

It is interesting when you study the history of these fables. They are invented by men and women and then become doctrines of the bible... the fables of men invented by the devil.
But you are slanted towards your own, or your denominational view, as is everyone else, and they quote the bible, just as you do to support their particular beliefs. And, they are as sure as you are they are correct, according to the bible
 
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It's not even decent entertainment - the shows they put on are designed to deceive people. I used to go to a church back in the day they frequently put on skits that were not very entertaining at all.

They wrap their deception inside the shows that put on and some even make people buy tickets to be able to get in the show to be deceived.





The true Body of Christ is not divided.

But it's very very rare to see a church building where a few folks meet who are actually true Christians.

If there were any in my area, I'd definitely attend.

I've visited numerous churches in my area and they all teach false doctrine and if I were to sit very long in their service I would stand up and start preaching and would totally wreck their service, especially when I inform the congregation that their pastors are wolves!

I don't do that because they Lord Himself is not going in to break up these dens of demons since He created everyone with free will and if they want to follow the devil the Lord will let them because they have rejected Him in order to do so.

Typically when visiting with individual people in my area it's like fishing in that I throw a little something out there about the Lord to see if they'll bite, to see if they are hungry to hear about the Lord or not. Most are not, so I go fish elsewhere.

One of the most effective ice breakers I've hear of is to walk up to a complete stranger and ask them: "So, have you decided yet what you are going to do about Jesus?"

You'll know where they stand by their answer and can proceed from there

There's definitely a trend that everyone has figured it all figured out.

But, taking a random stranger out of the crowd, how often would it fail to confuse him if I just smiled and said, with heartfelt sincerity, "I love you." :ROFL:

No Christ is not divided but the truth is tested and tried by the word of God.

The bible needs to be the sure source of truth.
If the bible can not prove it, we need to rethink it.

Many churches are teaching doctrines based on man made theology.

These man made teachings change many things and the foundation will be like sand and not hold in the end.

Fundermental teachings like
What happens when you die,
Zionism
Tougnes
Osas
Predestination
Righteousness by faith
The Trinity
The Divinity of Jesus.

The churches are divided on many of these doctrines but if we read the Bible with the leading of God's Spirit we will be lead to the same place.

Of all things, love endures. It seems to stick in people's mind so very tenaciously.
 
Not my will but yours isn't trying to obey, but maintaining walking in the light.

Do you practice spiritual disciplines?
If so, to what end?

From my experience you don't need to give the devil or the flesh permission to take control. We are naturally carnal. But walking in the Spirit is a choice we make by choosing to surrender self.

When we choose to follow the Spirit we are saying not my will be done but thy will. We are choosing to let the Spirit control us rather then the flesh.

Prayer, study, praise, all helps to maintain your connection with Jesus.
Be more specific, I'm not sure what you mean by Spiritual disciplines.. like I said prayer, bible study and praising God are important.