Jesus while incarnate was flesh, but now is spirit, as we will be when resurrected (1Cor. 15:35-50).
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Jesus while incarnate was flesh, but now is spirit, as we will be when resurrected (1Cor. 15:35-50).
He made us all equal through his doing work for us all. left for anyone to beleive and stand in that, That is what I just got out of your post Col 1:21-23
So I see me new in Father's spirit an truth, reckoned me dead to the first born flesh as said in Acts 17:28 thanks
are we not to be resurrected now, in beleif to the done work of Son for us to be new in Father's Spirit and Truth, led new by God the Holy Spirit?
I know by God I am born new by God in risen Son. As all his children I think know this and if not know this yet, will
Romans 8:15-16
I can't see any flesh pleasing God after Son did that once for all. Romans 8:1-3
Thanks just studying and learning in love and mercy given
Yet all three are One
I see it like an egg, has a white, yoke and shell it takes all three to be an egg. separate any part and I tis not an egg
The same with Body, Spirit and Soul. Adam the first lost the Spirit of God leading him, when he ate from that tree
So man was still alive, but not whole
John 3:12 I give you physical analogies to bring home spiritual realities
John 3:12
Authorized (King James) Version
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you ofheavenly things?
Those who accept Jesus as Messiah/the Lord incarnate are reborn (John 3:3-8, Rom. 8:1-9)
but they will not be resurrected until Judgment day (John 3:16, Rom. 8:10-11&22-25).
Thanks, so Moses, Abraham, and many other Patriarchs are not risen yet? Alive with Father and Son presently now?
So when Christ gave up the ghost and yelled "It is Finished" John 19:30 the dead were not raised from the dead?
Per Matthew they were
Matthew 27:50-54
Authorized (King James) Version
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. 54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
God loves us all and will raise us even presently, spiritually not fleshly anymore. Believe God receive truth from God and be new daily with God Father and risen Son 1 John 2:27.
I personally hear I God love all. I made all, I love all, even whenever you fall. I do not want anyone to fall, yet all have. So, I sent Son to take the place of y'all for all in belief will be new in my risen Son's life for you all. Loving all in the same mercy and truth given first through Son. John 13:34
Jesus even forgave people here on earth, before the death, burial and resurrection of him by Father for us. Such perplexities that only Father can reveal in Father' Spirit and Truth
Even in the first Testament God forgave and moved forward for anyone to beleive God and then do as led by God willingly.
Thank you for the share GWH
You note a discrepancy between Matt. 27:50-54 and 1Thes. 4:13-17.
I find Paul's understanding to make more sense and Matthew's to be problematic (not mentioned by Mark and Luke).
I suppose we will find out how such "perplexities" fit/jibe when we get to heaven. HAND!
Thank you, I see that for us all, however Father chooses in belief to his love and mercy sincerely, given first by Son for us all to stand in belief to this amazing grace given us all to believe or not. Having no want for the self or other selves in the way as Paul talks about in Phil 3. I gave up being under Law to win Christ. I have no confidence in self anymore. I am seeing this truth as has happened in me to think I know and find out only Father knows. and when I read the Bible, I have thought I got it. Only to find me in arrogance again as if I am better than others, and I am not. not any better than anyone else ever. God chose to not be better and be equal to relate with us to love all as God loves all. That floors me
Thank you again for the share.
I visualize the situation as truthseekers traveling various paths in a maze, sometimes taking wrong turns,
but with perseverance moving closer to spiritual maturity as they learn GW, eventually arriving at the goal
of perfection in heaven (Phil. 3:12-16). The Gospel is simple enough for a child old enough to sin to understand
and be saved, but we may never understand the perplexities in this life, so humility is appropriate. However, let us
not disparage the trouble God went to in order to provide Scripture for the edification of all who are willing to learn.
Enjoy our fellowship.
willing is key
Father is there any other way, as Jesus asked in the Garden of Gethsemane. then said nevertheless not my will, your will Father
I hear go over there and wait. I say wait, you are saying go over there in that bar. Father I do not drink.
I go and am in the flesh worried over if anyone else sees me there, they will talk and ridicule me.
But I go in anyways.
Such as like Peter when he went into that Gentile house, who said to Cornelius, it is not legal under our Law to enter into any Gentile house. Yet God leads, and he enters. Then they all there get saved, and Peter perplexed and saw it happen, even the words that came out of his mouth, surprised (Luke 21:14-15)
Then the next chapter he goes to the others and tells them what happened and they do not believe it, yet in wonderment too.
Here I was years ago, told to go into a bar and wait. So I do it, and ask for a Pepsi and seven up on the rocks. I am sitting at the bar counter. Another person pulls up and sits next to me and orders a drink. This person then starts a conversation with me. I listen and hear his dad had just passed away. and he had been dry from alcohol before that.
I do not remember what God Father said to that person through me. I do know this as I left, he left right behind me without drinking that drink
never saw that person again
The next day was Church, Bible study. I hear the deacon say we are not to go into places like bars and such. I am thinking Really!!!!!!!
I do not say anything. Yet I know to listen God alone living in me, to know God's voice over evils' fake good voice, after that episode that happened, even as Peter went into a Gentile house he was not allowed under Jewish law to go into, yet did
Now I have joke, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John entered a bar
Sinners!
God as I think you know is good all the time and good is God all the time reaching out to everyone in love mercy and truth through risen Son
today is the day to decide to believe God and stand in that love and mercy given us all to respond to
Thank you for the conversation
Yes, MFW is a key part of God’s plan of salvation without which the Scriptures make no sense, so I am amazed when someone rejects the plausible insight regarding how MFW was created and why the F = faith.
And yes MFW may attenuate if is not exercised to place Faith in JC today and we might die tonight.
Jesus, right now, seated at the right hand of God the Father, is flesh. He went to heaven in flesh, the disciples SAW Him, Acts 1:11 " ... Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye here gazing up into heaven? THIS SAME JESUS, which is taken up from you INTO HEAVEN, shall so come IN LIKE MANNER AS YOU HAVE SEEN HIM GO INTO HEAVEN."
Just fell on this ....
just want to say, yes, flesh, but glorified flesh.
Which would not be totally spirit, nor totally flesh as we understand it.
Like we will be, I'd say.
'night.
The egg analogy is terrible, it splits the trinity into three separate entity, typical reductionist mentality. A better analogy would be God's presence on earth (Holy Spirit, the Helper), in heaven (God the Father) and the interface (Jesus the Son). The key is that God and his angels dwell in a heavenly realm beyond the time-space continuum we're in, that's hard to imagine and accept for a modern, rational, empirical mind.
I doubt it. The one and only rule of thumb that tells the true spirit from false spirits is Lord Jesus's humanity, not deity. When He was resurrected, He was resurrected in FLESH, and so will we when resurrected. A glorious body is still a fleshly body as long as the resurrection takes place on earth.
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. (1 Jn. 4:1-4)