Loss of salvation???

[Musicmaster]

Do you believe God will force you to spend eternity with Him if you desire not to?

Pardon my saying so, but given the non sequitur nature of the question, no. Your question assumes anyone believes in God forcing anything in relation to who is taken into Heaven. Your question also begs the question: Has anyone ever existed who was truly saved and yet later didn't want to be in Heaven?

A seal can be broken. Was not the seal of His tomb broken when the stone was rolled away?

Forgive me, but this makes no sense whatsoever. What has the seal of a tomb have to do with something as vastly powerful as the seal of Holy Spirit? How is your question at all comparable to the absolute might of God?

Please ask something that's related to the core question itself as a relatable parallel.

Thanks

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

The same message along with its requirements given by Peter was not limited to Jews; "For the promise is unto... as many as the Lord our God shall call." (Acts 2:39)

You conveniently left out the portion that identified his audience. There were not Gentiles in that crowd other than proselytes into Judaism. So, yes, Peter was indeed speaking ONLY to us Jews. Why would you have a problem with that? Are you saying you want to usurp what was meant for us and cast it like a blanket over you Gentiles today? Why place yourself under the bondage of Law that we Jews were once under?

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Acts 8:12-18 did in fact occur prior to Paul's conversion. However, the Gospel of Grace began in Acts 2. And Paul's instructions and actions in Acts 19 parallel those in both Acts 2:38-42 and Acts 8:12-18.

That's impossible. The Gospel of Grace was revealed first to Paul AFTER his conversion, so how do you suppose it started before his conversion?

MM

 

[Genez]

There is definitely some very good things here about baptism and what it means to be in Christ. What I'm trying to figure out is whether you believe baptism should be water baptism? And if not, then did Phillip speak inaccurately to the eunuch?

You need a time frame adjustment.
They were still thinking the old way.

It would take some time before they would begin understanding the revolutionary way of life they had been baptized into.

It was not intuitive to them what the changes had become!

Isaiah 55:8-9

“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,​

Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.​

“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,​

So are My ways higher than your ways,​

And My thoughts than your thoughts.​

​

Can you not remember when you first began to study the Bible?
How it made you wonder what things meant?

Likewise...
The book of Acts was just that for the believers.
Learning new things to replace what had become of the old.

In Acts 2, the Jews only knew water baptism.
What they did was like the funny videos we see of people with Teslas trying to gas up at a gas station.

grace and peace!

 

[Cameron143]

You need a time frame adjustment.
They were still thinking the old way.

It would take some time before they would begin understanding the revolutionary way of life they had been baptized into.

It was not intuitive to them what the changes had become!

Isaiah 55:8-9

“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,​

Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.​

“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,​

So are My ways higher than your ways,​

And My thoughts than your thoughts.​

​

Can you not remember when you first began to study the Bible?
How it made you wonder what things meant?

Likewise...
The book of Acts was just that for the believers.
Learning new things to replace what had become of the old.

In Acts 2, the Jews only knew water baptism.
What they did was like the funny videos we see of people with Teslas trying to gas up at a gas station.

grace and peace!

I appreciate your contention and understand the point you are making. And Acts is certainly a book of transition. But it would be very helpful to me if you would answer the questions I ask.

Do you believe the baptism given by Jesus in the Great Commission a water baptism?

 

[Just_A__Follower]

Pardon my saying so, but given the non sequitur nature of the question, no. Your question assumes anyone believes in God forcing anything in relation to who is taken into Heaven. Your question also begs the question: Has anyone ever existed who was truly saved and yet later didn't want to be in Heaven?



Forgive me, but this makes no sense whatsoever. What has the seal of a tomb have to do with something as vastly powerful as the seal of Holy Spirit? How is your question at all comparable to the absolute might of God?

Please ask something that's related to the core question itself as a relatable parallel.

Thanks

MM

I thought it was a fairly simple question. If one has his faith in Christ and becomes a Muslim two years from now would God force him to spend eternity with Him? This is probably where you say well he was never saved to begin with. Then I say well he knew he was saved two years before. Then that will bring the question of is it possible for us to know we are saved into eternity or only in the moment?

And a seal that God creates is strong indeed but is it so strong that He can’t break it?

 

[Ouch]

You are the one who needs correction right now.
Stop playing games as to avoid corrections that are needed!

Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,​

but whoever hates correction is stupid. Proverbs 12:1​

​

With that in mind!​

​

​

Do not rebuke mockers or they will hate you;​

rebuke the wise and they will love you. Proverbs 9:8​

​

The stupid are stupid because they do it to themselves.

.... Whoever hates correction is stupid.

Oh boy <sigh!>

As long as the person is correcting, correctly.

What did I say wrong? We've been there before.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

And a seal that God creates is strong indeed but is it so strong that He can’t break it?

Well, precious friend, did you notice what The Scripture Actually Says for true believers?:

"And grieve not The Holy Spirit of God, Whereby ye Are​

Sealed unto The Day Of Redemption." (Ephesians 4:30 AV) "broken Seal = Not Redeemed???​

+
If a true believer has "more Power Than God" and can break this Seal, then Neither are
The Following Scriptures True Either, eh?:

"Not every one that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;​

but he that doeth The Will of My Father Which is in heaven. Many will say to Me in​

that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy Name? and in Thy Name have​

cast out devils? and in Thy Name done many wonderful works? And then will​

I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity."​

(Matt 7:21-23 AV)​

​

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

Since Christ Has "Always Known those who are His Saved" (2Ti 2:19; Eph 1:4-6 AV),
then how is it that men make up this Very Strange modern doctrine of:

'Christ never knew those He Has Always Known'???​

-------------
And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

Well, precious friend, did you notice what The Scripture Actually Says for true believers?:

"And grieve not The Holy Spirit of God, Whereby ye Are​

Sealed unto The Day Of Redemption." (Ephesians 4:30 AV) "broken Seal = Not Redeemed???​

+
If a true believer has "more Power Than God" and can break this Seal, then Neither are
The Following Scriptures True Either, eh?:

"Not every one that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;​

but he that doeth The Will of My Father Which is in heaven. Many will say to Me in​

that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy Name? and in Thy Name have​

cast out devils? and in Thy Name done many wonderful works? And then will​

I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity."​

(Matt 7:21-23 AV)​

​

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

Since Christ Has "Always Known those who are His Saved" (2Ti 2:19; Eph 1:4-6 AV),
then how is it that men make up this Very Strange modern doctrine of:

'Christ never knew those He Has Always Known'???​

-------------
And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

So are you saying the guy was a false believer? Pretty sure he considered himself a true believer. My point is that we don’t know the future. We can only know the present. Only God knows the future.

And I didn’t say that a believer or a true believer could break the seal. My point was that what God creates, God can break.

 

[Genez]

I appreciate your contention and understand the point you are making. And Acts is certainly a book of transition. But it would be very helpful to me if you would answer the questions I ask.

Do you believe the baptism given by Jesus in the Great Commission a water baptism?

I already showed you why not.

 

[Genez]

As long as the person is correcting, correctly.

What did I say wrong? We've been there before.

If I did not know any better?

I would think you are just playing and trying to tire me out.
Others do get what I tell you.

 

[posthuman]

any everlasting gobstopper
that isn't actually everlasting
is just a lie


it may taste good -

- at first​

- for a brief period of deception​

but by the everlasting measure, it's nothing, if it's ever anything less than something.



my Father gives good gifts.

 

[sawdust]

So are you saying the guy was a false believer? Pretty sure he considered himself a true believer. My point is that we don’t know the future. We can only know the present. Only God knows the future.

And I didn’t say that a believer or a true believer could break the seal. My point was that what God creates, God can break.

If God is going to go back on His word, how can He be trusted? It says we are sealed until the day of redemption. That's the day we are taken out of Christ and revealed for what we are and if we are in Christ to begin with, then that means we are saved and are a new creation.

Romans 8:19
For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.


2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

 

[GWH]

WOW, Peter was corrected by Paul?

They may have had a little friction going on as none of us are perfect but Paul never corrected Peter on how to be saved!

Big discusion of circumcision and non-circumcision but nothing more.

You should read Acts 15 again.

You should read for the first time all of the Scriptures I cited:

1. The leaders of the Christians in Jerusalem (James, Peter and John) were corrected by Paul during his visit there in Acts 15 per Gal. 2:1-9.

2. When Peter visited Antioch Paul reproved him for fearing the circumcision group and failing to teach justification by faith in Christ rather than by observing the law per Gal. 2:11-21.

3. Evidence that Peter amended his works-oriented tendencies is found in 1Pet. 1:3-9 & 18-23, where he says we are saved by faith
in Christ and the Word of God without mentioning baptism until 1Pet. 3:21, where he says water symbolizes baptism that saves--
the death and resurrection of Jesus (cf. Luke 12:50).

IOW, if the leaders had claimed WB was salvific, Paul would have viewed it as he did circumcision in Rom. 2:25-29 & Col. 2:12-14.

 

[Ouch]

If I did not know any better?

I would think you are just playing and trying to tire me out.
Others do get what I tell you.

You are too funny you say I can't take insutruction.

Then make it head line news.

But I didn't say anything that need to be corrected.

Then you say everyone can see my foughts.

Your problem with me is you don't like me shaing HIS word of how to be saved.

You don't like the fact that when we OBEY GODS WORD about being bapitzed in JESUS name is how we get rid of our sins.

Problem with finger pointers, they don't have the abiliy to point them at them selves.

 

[Ouch]

You should read for the first time all of the Scriptures I cited:

1. The leaders of the Christians in Jerusalem (James, Peter and John) were corrected by Paul during his visit there in Acts 15 per Gal. 2:1-9.

2. When Peter visited Antioch Paul reproved him for fearing the circumcision group and failing to teach justification by faith in Christ rather than by observing the law per Gal. 2:11-21.

3. Evidence that Peter amended his works-oriented tendencies is found in 1Pet. 1:3-9 & 18-23, where he says we are saved by faith
in Christ and the Word of God without mentioning baptism until 1Pet. 3:21, where he says water symbolizes baptism that saves--
the death and resurrection of Jesus (cf. Luke 12:50).

IOW, if the leaders had claimed WB was salvific, Paul would have viewed it as he did circumcision in Rom. 2:25-29 & Col. 2:12-14.

PAUL LETTERS WAS TO CHURCH'S CONCERNING PROBLEMS WITHIN THOSE CHURCHS NOT THE UNSAVED THAT IS WHY HE NEVER MENTIONS BAPTISM.

YOU WILL NOT, WILL NOT FIND ONE PLACE WHERE PAUL GIVES SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO BE SAVED, HE WAS NOT TALKING TO THE LOST!!!!!!!!!

I would not have told you, you need to reread Acts 15 if I didn't read them.

Since you have your mind set on faith only salvation with removes all of the book at Acts to make it work, your looking for a needle in a haystack but can't find the needle but think you did and just say Peter changed his message without and evidence.

JESUS gave the KEYS TO HEAVEN TO PETER, AND YOU CLAIM WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE that Peter in the past said, 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

NOW YOUR SAYING PETER SAYS ALL YOU NEED IS FATAH!!!!!

Peter never changed his message, Paul's message was the same as Peters.

Being baptized in JESUS name is how we get rid of our sins, Acts 2:38,22:16 it does not matter if you like it or not, that does not change the facts.

Paul did NOT have his own gospel. Notice how he introduces himself PAUL AN APOSTLE OF JESUS CHRIST.

Look who the letters are addressed to,

1 Corinthians,
1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

2 Corinthians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

Romans,
1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians,
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

Ephesians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Philippians,
1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

Colossians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,
2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians,
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Thessalonians,
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:


All letters after the book of Thessalonians had nothing to with Paul’s ministry to churches.


Back to Paul

Proof Paul followed JESUS along with the rest of JESUS disciples is seen in what happened in the beginning stages of when he started the church of Ephesus Acts 19. For some reason Paul questioned whether the 12 disciples had the Holy Ghost yet. He found out the men did not know what happened at Pentecost. He told them about JESUS and they got baptized. And after Paul laid hands on them they received the Holy Ghost.

Acts 19,
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.
8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.

After Paul baptized those folk, and they received the Holy Ghost he stayed there for 2-3 years building the church of Jews and Gentiles.

DO YOU REALLY THINK PAUL AND PETER WERE TWO FACED?

GIVING DIFFERENT MESSAGES TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE?

There is time for you to seek JESUS face.

I know you love JESUS but I don't know why you can't read HIS word and keep you out of it.

 

[James456]

PAUL LETTERS WAS TO CHURCH'S CONCERNING PROBLEMS WITHIN THOSE CHURCHS NOT THE UNSAVED THAT IS WHY HE NEVER MENTIONS BAPTISM.

YOU WILL NOT, WILL NOT FIND ONE PLACE WHERE PAUL GIVES SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO BE SAVED, HE WAS NOT TALKING TO THE LOST!!!!!!!!!

I would not have told you, you need to reread Acts 15 if I didn't read them.

Since you have your mind set on faith only salvation with removes all of the book at Acts to make it work, your looking for a needle in a haystack but can't find the needle but think you did and just say Peter changed his message without and evidence.

JESUS gave the KEYS TO HEAVEN TO PETER, AND YOU CLAIM WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE that Peter in the past said, 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

NOW YOUR SAYING PETER SAYS ALL YOU NEED IS FATAH!!!!!

Peter never changed his message, Paul's message was the same as Peters.

Being baptized in JESUS name is how we get rid of our sins, Acts 2:38,22:16 it does not matter if you like it or not, that does not change the facts.

Paul did NOT have his own gospel. Notice how he introduces himself PAUL AN APOSTLE OF JESUS CHRIST.

Look who the letters are addressed to,

1 Corinthians,
1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

2 Corinthians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

Romans,
1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians,
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

Ephesians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Philippians,
1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

Colossians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,
2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians,
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Thessalonians,
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:


All letters after the book of Thessalonians had nothing to with Paul’s ministry to churches.


Back to Paul

Proof Paul followed JESUS along with the rest of JESUS disciples is seen in what happened in the beginning stages of when he started the church of Ephesus Acts 19. For some reason Paul questioned whether the 12 disciples had the Holy Ghost yet. He found out the men did not know what happened at Pentecost. He told them about JESUS and they got baptized. And after Paul laid hands on them they received the Holy Ghost.

Acts 19,
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.
8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.

After Paul baptized those folk, and they received the Holy Ghost he stayed there for 2-3 years building the church of Jews and Gentiles.

DO YOU REALLY THINK PAUL AND PETER WERE TWO FACED?

GIVING DIFFERENT MESSAGES TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE?

There is time for you to seek JESUS face.

I know you love JESUS but I don't know why you can't read HIS word and keep you out of it.

Isnt Paul speaking of how to be saved here?
For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. Rom10:10

 

[James456]

PAUL LETTERS WAS TO CHURCH'S CONCERNING PROBLEMS WITHIN THOSE CHURCHS NOT THE UNSAVED THAT IS WHY HE NEVER MENTIONS BAPTISM.

YOU WILL NOT, WILL NOT FIND ONE PLACE WHERE PAUL GIVES SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO BE SAVED, HE WAS NOT TALKING TO THE LOST!!!!!!!!!

I would not have told you, you need to reread Acts 15 if I didn't read them.

Since you have your mind set on faith only salvation with removes all of the book at Acts to make it work, your looking for a needle in a haystack but can't find the needle but think you did and just say Peter changed his message without and evidence.

JESUS gave the KEYS TO HEAVEN TO PETER, AND YOU CLAIM WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE that Peter in the past said, 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

NOW YOUR SAYING PETER SAYS ALL YOU NEED IS FATAH!!!!!

Peter never changed his message, Paul's message was the same as Peters.

Being baptized in JESUS name is how we get rid of our sins, Acts 2:38,22:16 it does not matter if you like it or not, that does not change the facts.

Paul did NOT have his own gospel. Notice how he introduces himself PAUL AN APOSTLE OF JESUS CHRIST.

Look who the letters are addressed to,

1 Corinthians,
1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

2 Corinthians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

Romans,
1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians,
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

Ephesians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Philippians,
1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

Colossians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,
2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians,
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Thessalonians,
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:


All letters after the book of Thessalonians had nothing to with Paul’s ministry to churches.


Back to Paul

Proof Paul followed JESUS along with the rest of JESUS disciples is seen in what happened in the beginning stages of when he started the church of Ephesus Acts 19. For some reason Paul questioned whether the 12 disciples had the Holy Ghost yet. He found out the men did not know what happened at Pentecost. He told them about JESUS and they got baptized. And after Paul laid hands on them they received the Holy Ghost.

Acts 19,
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.
8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.

After Paul baptized those folk, and they received the Holy Ghost he stayed there for 2-3 years building the church of Jews and Gentiles.

DO YOU REALLY THINK PAUL AND PETER WERE TWO FACED?

GIVING DIFFERENT MESSAGES TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE?

There is time for you to seek JESUS face.

I know you love JESUS but I don't know why you can't read HIS word and keep you out of it.

And here:
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. Eph2:8&9

 

[James456]

The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized Acts 16:31-33

Paul tells the jailer what is required for salvation, after that they get baptised, no mention of speaking in tongues

 

[Ouch]

Isnt Paul speaking of how to be saved here?
For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. Rom10:10

PAUL LETTERS WAS TO CHURCH'S CONCERNING PROBLEMS WITHIN THOSE CHURCHS NOT THE UNSAVED THAT IS WHY HE NEVER MENTIONS BAPTISM.

YOU WILL NOT, WILL NOT FIND ONE PLACE WHERE PAUL GIVES SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO BE SAVED, HE WAS NOT TALKING TO THE LOST!!!!!!!!!

No, he is not he is telling those who have been saved to get out and prache to STAY SAVED.


Romans 10
King James Version
10 (((Brethren))), my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, (((that they might be saved.)))

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above

7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!