Faith or Law?

[GRACE_ambassador]

This was written by one of the foremost scholars of the Law. We do well to take him seriously.

Amen, we Certainly do; an Excellent series on this Very Thing:

TBG #'s 382 - 391 "Freedom From The Law"

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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

 

[vassal]

Hey Vassal....
New here.
A bit confused as to what this LAW is...
but I do believe I agree with your excellent post.

I THINK!

its complicated, many think they can call Christ Lord and not follow his words, this is the issue here.

the "LAW " Christ was teaching is certainly the ten commandment that God declared the Covenant that part cannot be removed or abolished as many claim they are no longer necessary, they just refuse them or cherry pick the ones they want to keep , some do not take Jesus words seriously.

Many do not understand that once you receive the Holy Spirit, you can follow all of them, it even becomes easy and at one point you just dont need the written commandments written on stone, they become part of you and you just follow them without thinking of them they become a part of you and are " written on your heart" just as Jeremiah said in the prophecy (Jer 31:31-34)

 

[vassal]

I'm more than confused.
My question is simple and direct.
I don't know any Christian - until now maybe - that is trying to follow THE LAW...
The Law usually refers to the Law of Moses.
It's abolished.
The LAW OF MOSES is dead.
Christians are not under the Law of Moses.

they use the law of Moses and the ten commandments all in one! scripture shows clearly they are different.

 

[Toknow]

Soyeong does not believe the law of Moses is dead, it must be followed

James PLEASE clarify for me what this thread is about.

How could it be about the Law of Moses if it's DEAD??

I've just never heard of this before and I've been on Forums over 10 years now.

 

[Soyeong]

I'm more than confused.
My question is simple and direct.
I don't know any Christian - until now maybe - that is trying to follow THE LAW...
The Law usually refers to the Law of Moses.
It's abolished.
The LAW OF MOSES is dead.
Christians are not under the Law of Moses.

Paul spoke about multiple categories of law, such as with the Law of God (Romans 7:25), the law of sin (Romans 7:5), the Law of the Spirit of Life (Romans 8:2), the law of sin and death (Romans 8:2), a law of works (Romans 3:27), a law of faith (Romans 3:27), the Book of the Law (Galatians 3:10-12), works of the law (Galatians 3:10-12), the Law and the Prophets (Romans 3:31), about the Law of Moses (1 Corinthians 9:21), the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), and so forth. While a number of those are arguable different ways of referring to the same category, Paul contrasted a number of those categories with each other, so they do not all refer to the same category. So when Paul said in Romans 6:14 that we are not under the law, then it should at least be worth discerning which category he was referring to out of all of the categories that he spoke about, especially when everything else in Romans 6 speaks in favor of obeying God and against sin.

The Law of God is the same as the Law of the Spirit and the Law of Christ and the Law of the Father, which was given to Moses. In Deuteronomy 3:31-33, the Moses wrote down everything that God spoke to him without departing from it, which is why the Law of Moses is called the Law of God in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23. In Matthew 4:4, Christ said that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God, so I see no justification for thinking that the Law of Christ is not in accordance with anything that God has spoken. In Romans 3:31, Paul said that our faith upholds the Law of God, so it is the law of faith.

In Romans 7:25, Paul said that he served the Law of God with his mind in contrast with saying that he served the law of sin with his flesh, so the Law of God is not the law of sin or the law of sin and death. In Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law of works with a law of faith, so the Law of God is not the law of works or works of the law. So I would argue that the three main categories that Paul spoke about are the Law of God, the law of sin, and works of the law. In Romans 6:14, Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, which does not describe the Law of God, but rather that is the role of the law of sin. We need to die to the law of sin in order to be free to obey the Law of God, not the other way around.

In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus specifically said that he came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets and contrast with saying that he came not to abolish it and he warned against relaxing the least part of it or teaching others to relax the least part of it, so it is flabbergasting how common it is for people to interpret Jesus fulfilling the law as meaning no, he really came to abolish and relax. In Romans 3:31, Paul also affirmed that our faith doesn’t abolish the Law of God, but rather our faith upholds it, so again it is flabbergasting how common it is for people to interpret Paul as saying no, our faith actually doesn’t uphold the Law of God, but rather our faith abolishes it.

 

[Toknow]

its complicated, many think they can call Christ Lord and not follow his words, this is the issue here.

If we call Jesus Lord,,,we must also follow His words.
This goes more to obedience.

Matthew 7:21
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

the "LAW " Christ was teaching is certainly the ten commandment that God declared the Covenant that part cannot be removed or abolished as many claim they are no longer necessary, they just refuse them or cherry pick the ones they want to keep , some do not take Jesus words seriously.

i have to agree that some are endeavoring to change the Christian religion/faith.

But is this the confusion??:
The Civil Law is abolished.
The Ceremonial Law is abolished.

The Moral Law will never be abolished...this would be the 10 commandments and any other rule left by Jesus, of course.

It is NOT correct to call the 10 commandments THE LAW because one will always think of the Mosaic Law.....

Yes. This terminology is confusing and should not be used.
THE LAW is dead.

The Law of Jesus is not dead and must be followed.

Many do not understand that once you receive the Holy Spirit, you can follow all of them, it even becomes easy and at one point you just dont need the written commandments written on stone, they become part of you and you just follow them without thinking of them they become a part of you and are " written on your heart" just as Jeremiah said in the prophecy (Jer 31:31-34)

Agreed.

The OC was written on stone...
The NC was written on the heart.

We are always to obey God...the METHOD has changed.

 

[Toknow]

they use the law of Moses and the ten commandments all in one! scripture shows clearly they are different.

Yes sir.
They certainly are different.

 

[Toknow]

Paul spoke about multiple categories of law, such as with the Law of God (Romans 7:25), the law of sin (Romans 7:5), the Law of the Spirit of Life (Romans 8:2), the law of sin and death (Romans 8:2), a law of works (Romans 3:27), a law of faith (Romans 3:27), the Book of the Law (Galatians 3:10-12), works of the law (Galatians 3:10-12), the Law and the Prophets (Romans 3:31), about the Law of Moses (1 Corinthians 9:21), the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), and so forth. While a number of those are arguable different ways of referring to the same category, Paul contrasted a number of those categories with each other, so they do not all refer to the same category. So when Paul said in Romans 6:14 that we are not under the law, then it should at least be worth discerning which category he was referring to out of all of the categories that he spoke about, especially when everything else in Romans 6 speaks in favor of obeying God and against sin.

You are muddying the waters and there seems to be enough confusion with language in this thread.

There are only 3 types of Law:
CIVIL
CEREMONIAL
MORAL

Please do not make extra categories that do not exist in theology.

Paul uses the word "law" many times in the sense of POWER....
The power of sin and death.
The power of the spirit,
etc.

The Law of God is the same as the Law of the Spirit and the Law of Christ and the Law of the Father, which was given to Moses. In Deuteronomy 3:31-33, the Moses wrote down everything that God spoke to him without departing from it, which is why the Law of Moses is called the Law of God in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23.

The Law of Moses is referring to ALL the rules/regulations/ordinances that were given to Moses.
THEY HAVE BEEN ABOLISHED....
except for the Moral Law which will never be abolished.

In Matthew 4:4, Christ said that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God, so I see no justification for thinking that the Law of Christ is not in accordance with anything that God has spoken. In Romans 3:31, Paul said that our faith upholds the Law of God, so it is the law of faith.

Someone on this thread has stated that the Law of Christ is NOT in accordance with what God has spoken??!!

I doubt it.

Because JESUS IS GOD.

In Romans 7:25, Paul said that he served the Law of God with his mind in contrast with saying that he served the law of sin with his flesh, so the Law of God is not the law of sin or the law of sin and death. In Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law of works with a law of faith, so the Law of God is not the law of works or works of the law. So I would argue that the three main categories that Paul spoke about are the Law of God, the law of sin, and works of the law. In Romans 6:14, Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, which does not describe the Law of God, but rather that is the role of the law of sin. We need to die to the law of sin in order to be free to obey the Law of God, not the other way around.

In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus specifically said that he came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets and contrast with saying that he came not to abolish it and he warned against relaxing the least part of it or teaching others to relax the least part of it, so it is flabbergasting how common it is for people to interpret Jesus fulfilling the law as meaning no, he really came to abolish and relax. In Romans 3:31, Paul also affirmed that our faith doesn’t abolish the Law of God, but rather our faith upholds it, so again it is flabbergasting how common it is for people to interpret Paul as saying no, our faith actually doesn’t uphold the Law of God, but rather our faith abolishes it.

Your categories are incorrect.
And I am certainly not here to teach you.
However, you should learn them.

 

[Dino246]

I'm more than confused.
My question is simple and direct.
I don't know any Christian - until now maybe - that is trying to follow THE LAW...
The Law usually refers to the Law of Moses.
It's abolished.
The LAW OF MOSES is dead.
Christians are not under the Law of Moses.

Here are people on this forum who advocate obedience to the law or parts of it:

Vassal
Soyeong
SabbathBlessing

There are several others whose handles I don’t recall at this point.

I agree though; aside from Seven-Day Adventists, I have never met anyone in person who does this.

 

[Soyeong]

You are muddying the waters and there seems to be enough confusion with language in this thread.

If someone assumes that Paul was always speaking about the Law of God, then they are guaranteed to misinterpret him, so it is a legitimate issue to clarify which law he was referring to out of all of the categories that he spoke about.

There are only 3 types of Law:
CIVIL
CEREMONIAL
MORAL

Please do not make extra categories that do not exist in theology.

There is a difference between speaking about categories of law other than the Law of God and speaking about subcategories within the Law of God. I quoted where Paul spoke about categories of law other than the Law of God, but you are unable to quote where the Bible lists which laws are part of the civil, ceremonial, or moral law or even where the Bible refers to those as being subcategories of law. If a group of people were to create lists of which God's laws they thought best fit into those subcategories, then they would end up with a wide variety of lists and none of those people should interpret the Bible as if its authors had mind a list of laws that they just created, especially when there is no way to establish that the authors of the Bible ever used those subcategories.

Paul uses the word "law" many times in the sense of POWER....
The power of sin and death.
The power of the spirit,
etc.

It is good that you recognize that Paul used "law" to refer to things other than the Law of God.

The Law of Moses is referring to ALL the rules/regulations/ordinances that were given to Moses.
THEY HAVE BEEN ABOLISHED....
except for the Moral Law which will never be abolished.

Again, Jesus specifically said that he came not to abolish the Law of Moses (Matthew 5:17) and Paul affirmed that our faith does not abolish it but rather our faith upholds it (Romans 3:31). Instructions for how to embody God's righteousness can't be abolished without first abolishing God's righteousness and the same goes for God's other character traits, which are the basis for morality. Holiness is one of God's character traits, so it is a moral issue, and in 1 Peter 1:16 we are told to be holy for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to do that, which you have arbitrarily decided have been abolished. The only way to abolish God's instructions for how to be holy as He is holy would be by first abolishing God's holiness. Morality is in regard to what we ought to do and we ought to embody God's character traits, so everything in the Law of Moses is inherently a moral law that will never be abolished. Legislators give laws in accordance with their understanding of what ought to be done, so to claim that some of God's laws are not moral laws is to claim that God made a moral error about what ought to be done when He gave those laws and is therefore to claim to have greater moral knowledge than God.

Someone on this thread has stated that the Law of Christ is NOT in accordance with what God has spoken??!!

I doubt it.

Because JESUS IS GOD.

Many people take the position that we should follow the Law of Christ and not the Law of Moses even though God spoke the Law of Moses and Christ said that man shall live by every word that comes from the mouth of God.

Your categories are incorrect.
And I am certainly not here to teach you.
However, you should learn them.

Everyone should be aware that there are other people who think that they are incorrect, so there is no point in your telling me that without explaining why you think that it is the case.

 

[James456]

If someone assumes that Paul was always speaking about the Law of God, then they are guaranteed to misinterpret him, so it is a legitimate issue to clarify which law he was referring to out of all of the categories that he spoke about.


There is a difference between speaking about categories of law other than the Law of God and speaking about subcategories within the Law of God. I quoted where Paul spoke about categories of law other than the Law of God, but you are unable to quote where the Bible lists which laws are part of the civil, ceremonial, or moral law or even where the Bible refers to those as being subcategories of law. If a group of people were to create lists of which God's laws they thought best fit into those subcategories, then they would end up with a wide variety of lists and none of those people should interpret the Bible as if its authors had mind a list of laws that they just created, especially when there is no way to establish that the authors of the Bible ever used those subcategories.


It is good that you recognize that Paul used "law" to refer to things other than the Law of God.


Again, Jesus specifically said that he came not to abolish the Law of Moses (Matthew 5:17) and Paul affirmed that our faith does not abolish it but rather our faith upholds it (Romans 3:31). Instructions for how to embody God's righteousness can't be abolished without first abolishing God's righteousness and the same goes for God's other character traits, which are the basis for morality. Holiness is one of God's character traits, so it is a moral issue, and in 1 Peter 1:16 we are told to be holy for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to do that, which you have arbitrarily decided have been abolished. The only way to abolish God's instructions for how to be holy as He is holy would be by first abolishing God's holiness. Morality is in regard to what we ought to do and we ought to embody God's character traits, so everything in the Law of Moses is inherently a moral law that will never be abolished. Legislators give laws in accordance with their understanding of what ought to be done, so to claim that some of God's laws are not moral laws is to claim that God made a moral error about what ought to be done when He gave those laws and is therefore to claim to have greater moral knowledge than God.


Many people take the position that we should follow the Law of Christ and not the Law of Moses even though God spoke the Law of Moses and Christ said that man shall live by every word that comes from the mouth of God.


Everyone should be aware that there are other people who think that they are incorrect, so there is no point in your telling me that without explaining why you think that it is the case.

Of course, the Jerusalem council met to decide which of the laws of Moses gentiles be asked to follow, it wasnt all of them was it!

 

[GWH]

Of course, the Jerusalem council met to decide which of the laws of Moses gentiles be asked to follow, it wasnt all of them was it!

Being asked by the council to follow is not being commanded by God to obey.

 

[Soyeong]

Probably should be pointed out works of the law is observing the law. So

For all who rely on observing the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e] 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith

As in you cannot be justified by obeying the law because you would have to faultlessly obey it. Therefore, you would be under a curse if you tried that.
Of course, some say you are not justified by obeying the law but the justified will obey the law. Still places you under justification of obeying the law.

Do you think that God is a giver unreliable instructions?

The reason why we can't earn our justification are the result of our obedience to the Law of God is not because we fall short of perfect obedience but because it was never given as a way of earning our justification in the first place - that has always been a fundamental misunderstanding of the goal of the law. While Paul denied the we can earn our justification even as the result of having perfect obedience to the Law of God, he also said in Romans 2:13 that only the doers of the Law of God will be justified, so there is a reason why our justification requires us to choose to be doers of it other than in order to earn it as a wage, namely faith insofar as the faith by which we are justified also upholds the Law of God (Romans 3:27-31).

The Law of God came with instructions for what to do when His children sinned, so we can repent and continue to be a doe of everything in it without coming under its curse. In Deuteronomy 11:26-32, the difference between being under God's blessing or His curse is not based on whether we have perfect obedience but on whether we choose to serve God or to chase after other gods. While all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, everyone being under God's curse does not reflect the reality of what is written about those who served God, just those who chased after other gods.

 

[Soyeong]

Of course, the Jerusalem council met to decide which of the laws of Moses gentiles be asked to follow, it wasnt all of them was it!

Again you are welcome to interact with what I've said in regard to the Jerusalem Council to explain why you think that I am wrong rather than just insisting that I am wrong in lieu of doing that, though I strongly suspect that the reason why you continue to refuse to do that because you are unable to do that.

 

[James456]

James PLEASE clarify for me what this thread is about.

How could it be about the Law of Moses if it's DEAD??

I've just never heard of this before and I've been on Forums over 10 years now.

I imagine, going by the first line of the ops original post it was supposed to be about whether the believer has a righteousness of faith or obeying the law. However, like all threads they seem to diverge from the original point

 

[James456]

Again you are welcome to interact with what I've said in regard to the Jerusalem Council to explain why you think that I am wrong rather than just insisting that I am wrong in lieu of doing that, though I strongly suspect that you will continue to refuse to do that because you are unable to counter them.

There's nothing to interact
If you are correct, it is an indisputable fact the leaders of the first century church, including Peter, James and John gave gentile converts a licence to sin. Im not going to respond, to any post of yours that seeks to dismiss that indisputable fact, why would I?

 

[James456]

Do you think that God is a giver unreliable instructions?

The reason why we can't earn our justification are the result of our obedience to the Law of God is not because we fall short of perfect obedience but because it was never given as a way of earning our justification in the first place - that has always been a fundamental misunderstanding of the goal of the law. While Paul denied the we can earn our justification even as the result of having perfect obedience to the Law of God, he also said in Romans 2:13 that only the doers of the Law of God will be justified, so there is a reason why our justification requires us to choose to be doers of it other than in order to earn it as a wage, namely faith insofar as the faith by which we are justified also upholds the Law of God (Romans 3:27-31).

The Law of God came with instructions for what to do when His children sinned, so we can repent and continue to be a doe of everything in it without coming under its curse. In Deuteronomy 11:26-32, the difference between being under God's blessing or His curse is not based on whether we have perfect obedience but on whether we choose to serve God or to chase after other gods. While all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, everyone being under God's curse does not reflect the reality of what is written about those who served God, just those who chased after other gods.

Galatians3:10&11 is very plainly written, and coupled with the other verses quoted it is plainly obvious what Paul is saying, so I will not engage your views to the contrary

 

[Toknow]

If someone assumes that Paul was always speaking about the Law of God, then they are guaranteed to misinterpret him, so it is a legitimate issue to clarify which law he was referring to out of all of the categories that he spoke about.


There is a difference between speaking about categories of law other than the Law of God and speaking about subcategories within the Law of God. I quoted where Paul spoke about categories of law other than the Law of God, but you are unable to quote where the Bible lists which laws are part of the civil, ceremonial, or moral law or even where the Bible refers to those as being subcategories of law. If a group of people were to create lists of which God's laws they thought best fit into those subcategories, then they would end up with a wide variety of lists and none of those people should interpret the Bible as if its authors had mind a list of laws that they just created, especially when there is no way to establish that the authors of the Bible ever used those subcategories
i'll be more than happy to list the categories of THE LAW that was in the Torah.


It is good that you recognize that Paul used "law" to refer to things other than the Law of God.

There is not a "wide variety" of lists...just 3.

I'm going to post the list.
I'm more than sure that you'll accept this teaching and change your vocabulary in regards to this subject matter.


Moral Law
The moral laws, or mishpatim, relate to justice and judgment and are often translated as "ordinances." Mishpatim are said to be based on God’s holy nature. As such, the ordinances are holy, just, and unchanging. Their purpose is to promote the welfare of those who obey. The value of the laws is considered obvious by reason and common sense. The moral law encompasses regulations on justice, respect, and sexual conduct, and includes the Ten Commandments. It also includes penalties for failure to obey the ordinances. Moral law does not point people to Christ; it merely illuminates the fallen state of all mankind.

Modern Protestants are divided over the applicability of mishpatim in the church age. Some believe that Jesus’ assertion that the law will remain in effect until the earth passes away (Matthew 5:18) means that believers are still bound to it. Others, however, understand that Jesus fulfilled this requirement (Matthew 5:17), and that we are instead under the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), which is thought to be "love God and love others" (Matthew 22:36-40). Although many of the moral laws in the Old Testament give excellent examples as to how to love God and love others, and freedom from the law is not license to sin (Romans 6:15), we are not specifically bound by mishpatim.

Ceremonial Law
The ceremonial laws are called hukkim or chuqqah in Hebrew, which literally means “custom of the nation”; the words are often translated as “statutes.” These laws seem to focus the adherent’s attention on God. They include instructions on regaining right standing with God (e.g., sacrifices and other ceremonies regarding “uncleanness”), remembrances of God’s work in Israel (e.g., feasts and festivals), specific regulations meant to distinguish Israelites from their pagan neighbors (e.g., dietary and clothing restrictions), and signs that point to the coming Messiah (e.g., the Sabbath, circumcision, Passover, and the redemption of the firstborn). Some Jews believe that the ceremonial law is not fixed. They hold that, as societies evolve, so do God’s expectations of how His followers should relate to Him. This view is not indicated in the Bible.

Christians are not bound by ceremonial law. Since the church is not the nation of Israel, memorial festivals, such as the Feast of Weeks and Passover, do not apply. Galatians 3:23-25 explains that since Jesus has come, Christians are not required to sacrifice or circumcise. There is still debate in Protestant churches over the applicability of the Sabbath. Some say that its inclusion in the Ten Commandments gives it the weight of moral law. Others quote Colossians 2:16-17 and Romans 14:5 to explain that Jesus has fulfilled the Sabbath and become our Sabbath rest. As Romans 14:5 says, "Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind." The applicability of the Old Testament law in the life of a Christian has always related to its usefulness in loving God and others. If someone feels observing the Sabbath aids him in this, he is free to observe it.

Judicial/Civil Law
The Westminster Confession adds the category of judicial or civil law. These laws were specifically given for the culture and place of the Israelites and encompass all of the moral law except the Ten Commandments. This includes everything from murder to restitution for a man gored by an ox and the responsibility of the man who dug a pit to rescue his neighbor’s trapped donkey (Exodus 21:12-36). Since the Jews saw no difference between their God-ordained morality and their cultural responsibilities, this category is used by Christians far more than by Jewish scholars.

The division of the Jewish law into different categories is a human construct designed to better understand the nature of God and define which laws church-age Christians are still required to follow. Many believe the ceremonial law is not applicable, but we are bound by the Ten Commandments. All the law is useful for instruction (2 Timothy 3:16), and nothing in the Bible indicates that God intended a distinction of categories. Christians are not under the law (Romans 10:4). Jesus fulfilled the law, thus abolishing the difference between Jew and Gentile "so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross…" (Ephesians 2:15-16).

Again, Jesus specifically said that he came not to abolish the Law of Moses (Matthew 5:17) and Paul affirmed that our faith does not abolish it but rather our faith upholds it (Romans 3:31). Instructions for how to embody God's righteousness can't be abolished without first abolishing God's righteousness and the same goes for God's other character traits, which are the basis for morality. Holiness is one of God's character traits, so it is a moral issue, and in 1 Peter 1:16 we are told to be holy for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to do that, which you have arbitrarily decided have been abolished. The only way to abolish God's instructions for how to be holy as He is holy would be by first abolishing God's holiness. Morality is in regard to what we ought to do and we ought to embody God's character traits, so everything in the Law of Moses is inherently a moral law that will never be abolished. Legislators give laws in accordance with their understanding of what ought to be done, so to claim that some of God's laws are not moral laws is to claim that God made a moral error about what ought to be done when He gave those laws and is therefore to claim to have greater moral knowledge than God.


Many people take the position that we should follow the Law of Christ and not the Law of Moses even though God spoke the Law of Moses and Christ said that man shall live by every word that comes from the mouth of God.

source: https://www.gotquestions.org/ceremonial-law.html

Everyone should be aware that there are other people who think that they are incorrect, so there is no point in your telling me that without explaining why you think that it is the case.

Some theologians do not believe in the 3 categories of the Mosaic Law??

Could you post one?

 

[Toknow]

I imagine, going by the first line of the ops original post it was supposed to be about whether the believer has a righteousness of faith or obeying the law. However, like all threads they seem to diverge from the original point

In obtaining a list for the differences between the 3 categories of Law in the OT, for a member that requested it,,,I've run across an article explaining that some Christians believe that we are still under THE LAW.

This is new to me and only one more proof that Christianity is losing all meaning.

I'd say it like this:
We are justified by faith.
We are sanctified by obedience.

NOT TO THE LAW...which is dead and has been for 2 thousand years.
But obedience to Jesus.

 

[James456]

In obtaining a list for the differences between the 3 categories of Law in the OT, for a member that requested it,,,I've run across an article explaining that some Christians believe that we are still under THE LAW.

This is new to me and only one more proof that Christianity is losing all meaning.

I'd say it like this:
We are justified by faith.
We are sanctified by obedience.

NOT TO THE LAW...which is dead and has been for 2 thousand years.
But obedience to Jesus.

Well I have to go out soon, so wouldn't be able to discuss that with you. But hopefully someone else will