Salvation as a Journey Rooted in True Belief
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Isaiah declares:
Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
Jesus was pierced for our transgressions, all of our sins have been laid upon Him
I think Isaiah was a true prophet or shall we dismiss him also?
The op dismisses Paul and yet represents himself as an authority. It's not the gospel.
Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
Jesus was pierced for our transgressions, all of our sins have been laid upon Him
I think Isaiah was a true prophet or shall we dismiss him also?
The op dismisses Paul and yet represents himself as an authority. It's not the gospel.
So you are secure your works.He kmows OSAS is false doctrine.
To be secure is to remain in the Lord, to abide in Him, because eternal life is in Jesus Himself.
No abid8ng in Christ? No eternal life.
Not me, I am secure in Jesus.
Oh. So now we are going to discuss OSAS? That's the new shiny thing to forget all the error and unbiblical things that have made up the first 4 pages of the op from the op?
Let's not fall for the OSAS bait.
Let's not fall for the OSAS bait.
The change happens as the result of applying faith.
Applying faith is pisteuo in the Greek.
Pisteuo is "a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender."
Vine Greek expository dictionary of NT words.
Agree with your conclusion, but not how you 've shown your work.
Faith "pistis" applied "pisteuo" plus a continually surrendered life equals salvation.
We prove our Faith" our surrendered life" by more faith, " a life inspired by such surrender."
That's exactly what is being said but Paul, whom some seem to despise, says this:
,28And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. 29For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
31What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us.
37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
So Paul, according to the op, does not preach Jesus. Seems the opposite. Paul is all about Jesus and not hard to understand. And would you look at that?!!! Paul calls Jesus LORD. He calls Jesus OUR Lord, meaning his Lord as well.
See? The truth leaps from the pages of scripture when you have the Holy Spirit inside giving direction and instruction!!! rather than the vain ramblings of false doctrine.
Perhaps reject is the correct response of the op.
How does one survive in this wicked world with the belief that one can lose his salvation.He kmows OSAS is false doctrine.
To be secure is to remain in the Lord, to abide in Him, because eternal life is in Jesus Himself.
No abid8ng in Christ? No eternal life.
I would be terrified.
I suppose one would comfort himself by believing he is living such a righteous life God will accept them.
Losing your faith is loosing the connection with Christ. No surrender to Him, and no life inspired by such surrender.
Vines, eh? Vines doesn't say what you are saying regarding change.
The change happens by the indwelling Holy Spirit. The 3rd person of the Trinity thay seems to be constantly overlooked by all you 'obedient' people.
How do you do that? Your God is so small He can't see you through? The unbiblical remarks you are posting are indicative of no understanding of salvation. You don't keep you. God keeps you.
This, is scripture:
,28And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. 29For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
31What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things? 33Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us.
37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8
The last two verses in your post.
Salvation begins with believing, but it is completed by continuing.
“Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee the crown of life.” (Revelation 2:10, ASV)
Salvation itself is only ever based on that belief (faith) in the death and resurrection of our Lord.
Be thou faithful unto death...and I will give thee the crown of life.
From the start to the end of your life it is only ever that faith in Jesus that matters.
Faith that, walks the walk, is that genuine faith.
We are saved by grace firstly and that grace enables your faith which saves, but that has nothing
to do with your obedience. If your faith is really based in Jesus then works, obedience, love, follows
on from that faith and is sourced by the Holy Spirit.
When will folk ever understand that simple gospel of Jesus Christ?
The gospel is not about anything you will do or have done!
The gospel is the proclamation that salvation is a free gift given to those that believe in Jesus.
Matt. 5:17 “Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill. For most certainly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished. Therefore, whoever shall break one of these least commandments and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
Rev. 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.
Yes, we are saved by faith apart from works, and good works cannot be done without faith.
It's faith that causes those good works to be done.
A good tree can't produce corrupt fruit, and a tree that bears no fruit is cut down.
Paul is a true apostle, and all his words are one, and he is not a greater apostle than any other.
Paul himself urged the church to stop living in sin, and pray for those who are greivously transgressing, that their bodies might be destroyed before their spirits forsake the Gift of Christ (1 Cornithians Ch. 5).
John wrote in his epistles that he who sins is not from God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
Everything done without faith is sin, there are sins not leading to death, and against love there is no law.
The commandments of God are not bondage, they are freedom.
The testimony of Christ is for mercy, and not permission to sin.
Faith itself becomes a work when the good graces of God are still sought, against all the darkness that tries to extinguish hope for them.
Rev. 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.
Yes, we are saved by faith apart from works, and good works cannot be done without faith.
It's faith that causes those good works to be done.
A good tree can't produce corrupt fruit, and a tree that bears no fruit is cut down.
Paul is a true apostle, and all his words are one, and he is not a greater apostle than any other.
Paul himself urged the church to stop living in sin, and pray for those who are greivously transgressing, that their bodies might be destroyed before their spirits forsake the Gift of Christ (1 Cornithians Ch. 5).
John wrote in his epistles that he who sins is not from God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
Everything done without faith is sin, there are sins not leading to death, and against love there is no law.
The commandments of God are not bondage, they are freedom.
The testimony of Christ is for mercy, and not permission to sin.
Faith itself becomes a work when the good graces of God are still sought, against all the darkness that tries to extinguish hope for them.
Unfortunately, you have misunderstood the free gift of salvation obtained by that simple belief in Jesus.
We are saved by grace through faith and that does not include you or anything you can do (Ephesians 2:8)
Now read the following paragraph by Paul very carefully.
Colossians 1:19-23
For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile
all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether
things on earth or things in heaven. And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged
in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before
Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast,
and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven
Surely you understand that free gift?
A solid reply, "...those who have faith and are saved"
Even simpler.
Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved (Romans 10:13).
Yes, the free gift is grace. Faith is our response to that grace . The correct response is pisteuo in the Greek. A personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender
There's no such thing as believing, that word is a mistranslation.
Either your just stubborn and are going to just dig in on the mistranslation, or your intentionally misleading people. Which is it?