Is Fake Love Better Than No Love At All?

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OutWrite Trouble
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Hey Everyone,

I've often written about the time I was part of a ministry writing inmates, and it's because I learned so much during that time.

As I did my weekly grocery shopping this weekend and was bombarded by all the "Singles Awareness" (aka, Valentine's) Day merchandise overrunning the stores, I was thinking of something an inmate wrote me years ago that I will never forget.

He had one of the most heart-wrenching life stories I had ever heard -- a life formed by childhood abuse in every form, shaping a person who learned to say and be whatever was wanted of him in order to survive. But worst of all, he grew up into someone who now uses the same manipulative tactics that others used on him, whether it's also to survive, or just to get something he wants -- even if it's just attention.

He was telling me about the scores of people who had written to him in prison over the years, and how, out of loneliness, he had learned to become the person they whether each seeking. Whether it was women looking for attention from a man, men looking for attention from a man, older men and women needing a son to replace one they had lost, Christians looking for a convert, college students saying they wanted to use him as a case study -- he said that through years of experience, he now knew how to say whatever people wanted to hear -- because, he told me, "Fake love is better than no love."

Surrounded by the context of what he had told me, it is something I will never forget.

As outside, law-abiding citizens, we read such a thing and gasp with horror, and shaking our heads at how terrible it is to lie to other to this degree, because we are all studying the Bible daily and it tells us how much God values honesty and integrity.

But this is exactly what I liked about writing inmates -- they would tell me about something that, in their particular situation, stood out like a sore thumb -- until I really thought about it and realized that these were just extreme exaggerations of things that regular people do everyday.

I was left thinking about:

* All the times I'd said and done what bosses needed, even when I didn't believe in their cause or agree with their methods. I just wanted to keep my job, or get what my department needed to be done.

* The times I'd been accommodating to significant others, not wanting to rock the boat, and not wanting them to leave, even when it meant putting up with things I normally would not have tolerated.

* "Playing the game" in most any social situation -- whether trying to fit into a social group, getting the approval of my teachers, wanting to appease family, or serving at church, I molded myself into things I was not, all for the sake of finding a place and not being a total outcast -- even if what I was outwardly agreeing to really wasn't me.

* The times when we "think" we have friends -- but the minute we leave a job (especially due to layoffs,) our "friends" from work have nothing to do with us -- because their first concern is preserving their own job security.

* The times when I'd seen families -- in this case, grandparents -- buy the grandchildren anything they wanted, and gave in to every whim, because they wanted to make sure they were the "favorite" ones in the family, even above the child's own parents. Of course, these grandparents loved their grandchildren. But they also had money when the rest of the family was poor, and were making sure to use it to their advantage to help ensure (buy?) these kids' "highest" love -- and loyalty -- in the court hearing the family was going through.

And so it goes, on and on.

When you think about all the times you've had to "alter" yourself to "fit in," "have friends", ""win approval," "keep your job," "look like a good enough Christian," or "keep someone" from leaving you...

Is fake love better than no love at all?

Now of course, I understand that some of this "bending" is necessary to survive. If we all said and did exactly what we were thinking, if we didn't hold back at times, and if we blurted out every opinion we had -- we'd wind up like most people I know who do just that -- unemployed, friendless, having a family that wants nothing to do with them, and claiming it's everyone else's fault because they're just "being their authentic selves."

But how much "fake love" is necessary to survive, and when we take an honest look, how much "real love" (besides the love of God) do we really have, and need, to get by?

I am extremely thankful to be at a point where I think my life is at a high point when it comes to being around those who accept me for myself -- but it also makes me wonder how far, or how willing I would be willing to "alter myself" (such as for a job or church group,) if necessary.

How about you?

* What times in your life have you had to settle for "fake" love or acceptance, and why did you do so? How did it go?

* Do you have any "real" love in your life right now? For you, what is the difference between fake love and real love?

* Have you ever had to drastically change or hold back your real self to appease to or keep a job, position, or someone else? If you were able to break free, what finally caused the big change?

* Is fake love -- the circle of friends who "likes" you because you can be a certain way in certain situations, or because you're a convenient distraction or funny story at work, or someone to say hi to, but never socialize with at church -- better than "no" love at all?

* When teaching or talking to others who look up to you -- friends, younger siblings or relatives, children or grandchildren -- what would you tell them about navigating fake vs. real love? How much "fake" love is necessary to get by in life? And how do we cope with it?

One of the reasons I'm single is because I've found that over time, my tolerance for fake love has about faded into nothing.

I find this to be a fascinating, albeit sobering topic -- and I would love to hear your thoughts and experiences.
 
Great topic! After all my experience, which is extensive lol, I find I have to be honest to myself and thus honest to others. For example, I was in a Christian sm group with about 10 other women and everything seemed fine. However, when group leader 'advised' me that Joyce Meyer was something like a heretic, I was taken aback. She even sent me clips of her saying outrageous things that had obviously had been altered. Then another gal said, at the time when a public figure was shot at, that she wished they hadn't missed her. I thought wow either I'm off or what is going on here, so I simply left the group not rebuking them as we're all in church together. I do admit I have to fake love or at least have tolerance for my brother who finagled me out of a $250,000+++ inheritance. Only bc of the 2nd Commandment can I handle him and others who act like carnal Christians bc God knows me....and still loves me😂 In a relationship (male or female, social or business), I cut to the chase, if something comes up I'm at odds with, I confront them nicely and figure out what's up. I don't like to waste time, I've made that mistake before.
 
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For myself it comes down to a simple question. Am I doing this because I want something from them, or because I want something for them? Everything else... I won't say it doesn't matter, because it does, but it is irrelevant until that question is answered. Everything else I do is decided by and depends on it.

For other people I don't really care. If it's fake, it will show through soon. If it's real it will stay. Either way I talk to them while they are in my life and let them go if they leave.
 
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The mask people put up is definitely reflective of the fear of rejection, IMO. 'I'm afraid you won't like me as I am, so I have to be someone else,' and, for the most part, that is probably true. :unsure:
 
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Great topic! After all my experience, which is extensive lol, I find I have to be honest to myself and thus honest to others. For example, I was in a Christian sm group with about 10 other women and everything seemed fine. However, when group leader 'advised' me that Joyce Meyer was something like a heretic, I was taken aback. She even sent me clips of her saying outrageous things that had obviously had been altered. Then another gal said, at the time when a public figure was shot at, that she wished they hadn't missed her. I thought wow either I'm off or what is going on here, so I simply left the group not rebuking them as we're all in church together. I do admit I have to fake love or at least have tolerance for my brother who finagled me out of a $250,000+++ inheritance. Only bc of the 2nd Commandment can I handle him and others who act like carnal Christians bc God knows me....and still loves me😂 In a relationship (male or female, social or business), I cut to the chase, if something comes up I'm at odds with, I confront them nicely and figure out what's up. I don't like to waste time, I've made that mistake before.

I often find Christian circles the toughest and most unbearable to be around. Everyone feels they have God on their side, so everything they do, say, or believe MUST be from God too, and if you disagree in the slightest -- well, you're not disagreeing with them, your disagreeing with God Himself!

I have disagreements with unbelievers too, but they don't try to tell me I'm a failure at my entire life's beliefs and not a real Christian because of it.

People like you are the exact reason why I'm here, @faithlife. I've had hundreds of people quote Scriptures at me thousands of times, but without someone like you who's willing to actually tell me about their life experiences and how to actually APPLY all those Scriptures to their own daily lives, I don't find it very helpful.

Sure, we all need to review what God says regularly, but I believe we also need real live Christians to show us, from their own experience, how to put those words into action. No one wants a heart surgeon who can recite every manual, journal, or lecture that's ever been given on the subject -- and then not have or be willing to share the experiences to demonstrate their own use of it. But that's just me.

I can't imagine having to forgive someone who had robbed me of that much and still be cordial to them for the sake of family, but by the grace of God, you're doing it.

And it makes me feel guilty about the petty things I have yet to forgive, but wow, is your story a big motivation to work at doing so.

Thank you so much for sharing! 💖
 
The mask people put up is definitely reflective of the fear of rejection, IMO. 'I'm afraid you won't like me as I am, so I have to be someone else,' and, for the most part, that is probably true. :unsure:

This is a good reason as to why I'm single.

I know how I am when all the facades are stripped away, and I'm pretty sure that if I let myself get to that point (by myself,) no one who got close would want to deal with my base level.

Unless God changes that or has other plans, I have a hard time seeing that change.

Acceptance can be both a sense of a relief -- and a quiet admittance of hopeless defeat.
 
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Acceptance can be both a sense of a relief -- and a quiet admittance of hopeless defeat.
When taken to the extreme, yes it can be.

Self reliance can also be a trap, when it is overdone.

Balance is pretty sweet though, when we find it.
 
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When I first read the title, my immediate question was whether it refers to romantic love or friendship. My second thought was whether that distinction even matters. And yes, in matters.

But first, what are we ourselves called to do? Jesus tells us to love even our enemies. It is easy not to hate someone, but to genuinely love our enemies is only possible if God is at work in us. I therefore believe that we are called to truly love everyone and not merely pretend to do so. That is a very high standard, and it is something I struggle with. There are people who have treated me badly. While I neither hate them nor do I fake any love for them, I know that I avoid close involvement with them, and I am aware that God still has work to do in me, as I do not yet live up to the standard.

I have placed my desire for romantic love in God’s hands. Perhaps He will bring someone into my life one day. One thing I know for certain is that I would never want fake romantic love. In that context, fake love would be worse than no love at all. In the long run, it would be too painful.

When it comes to friendship, however, I can tolerate a degree of fake love from my friends. At the moment, I have one particular friend who seems to be struggling with several things. I genuinely love this friend and their children, but I know that I mean very little to them. I am aware that the love I receive from them is not genuine. Still, I am willing to accept it for several reasons. For example, I hope that I can be a tool in God’s hands in their life, and at the same time, this relationship helps me feel less alone.
 
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This is a good reason as to why I'm single.

I know how I am when all the facades are stripped away, and I'm pretty sure that if I let myself get to that point (by myself,) no one who got close would want to deal with my base level.

Unless God changes that or has other plans, I have a hard time seeing that change.

Acceptance can be both a sense of a relief -- and a quiet admittance of hopeless defeat.

I think we too often leave out considerations for the nature of dynamics, and the propensity of our dynamic. Think of how, idk, irritating, it would be to have to keep asking, "I know you loved me yesterday, but what about today?" We "have a hard time seeing that change," and yet at the same time, are so painfully aware of it when it happens. And it's always happening.
 
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When I was younger there was probably a lot of faking, conforming, etc. At some point, as I gained more years, I reached a point where there was no more faking. I love because of Christ in me. I put others before myself. I genuinely care about others who come into my life.

I don't do anything I don't want to do, so this love I share now isn't going along to get along. But I genuinely care for the well being of others which I think is one of the indications that I'm an outcast in this fallen world we live in for a time.
 
i'm saying anyone who isn't Christian will experience fake love in 1 way or another. why? well, you don't have the Holy Spirit living inside you to teach you all about love. & if someone doesn't read the Bible, for sure, you won't know all about love. fake love which isn't love at all, is easy to come bye. when a relationship begins to sour, here comes the fake love, pretending & acting. especially when young, people are victim to this. i certainly was, more than once. how? so, you meet a girl & by course you don't know everything about her so later on in the relationship when you sense differences, false actions initiate with fake love. when fake love occurs in marriage, wow, that's trouble. i admit i had to deal with it a few times for reasons of keeping the peace amongst family members. there's a myriad plethora of possibilities concerning this subject.
 
When I was younger there was probably a lot of faking, conforming, etc. At some point, as I gained more years, I reached a point where there was no more faking. I love because of Christ in me. I put others before myself. I genuinely care about others who come into my life.

I don't do anything I don't want to do, so this love I share now isn't going along to get along. But I genuinely care for the well being of others which I think is one of the indications that I'm an outcast in this fallen world we live in for a time.
your last statement represents me too. so many of us who care for others & do for others are outcasts. i cared for the elderly & handicapped for 37 years. the most praise or recognition i ever got was from just a few people who said things like, "that's good you do that" or "okay". no one ever realizes the good work its is or wants to talk about it. they simply pass it on. then because i'm more strict of a guy than normal, i get cast off. people say, "you're to tough on people"! no, i don't think i am, i believe people now-a-days are to weak in spirit & mind. i started to notice this about 46 years ago in america. yes, it gets worse & worse. look what the government does, giving free life to so many .
 
This is a really deep thread.

It's kind of funny to me that God seems to have made my brain a complete dichotomy that somehow has to find a way to work in harmony.

I might post threads about frivolous things like peanut butter and jelly and mac and cheese, but it's because the "other side of my brain" is contemplating subjects like this thread and hasn't quite sorted them into a full thread just yet.

My avatar right now really suits me -- I'm just a clown at heart, but one that is always thinking, reading, and absorbing a multitude of topics (hence the rainbow of colors.)

Many years ago when PM'ing was still free and just anyone could contact you, I had some people telling me they hated my serious threads and just wanted me to be funny. Then there were other people saying they hated my funny threads and just wanted me to be serious. Still others hated my relationship threads and didn't want me to talk about dating at all -- in the Singles Forum! I have to laugh out loud at that one! :ROFL:

It was kind of the epitome of the topic of this thread -- did I want to be fake and try to please one side of the people all the time? Nah. When it comes to my time on this forum, I have to be myself -- I couldn't hide it if I tried, which is also why I've never changed my username. People would know It Was Me The First Time I Wrote a Thread. :D

I really appreciate the current CC crowd because a lot of people seem to be able to roll with whatever I throw out -- and even enjoy it. :)

Thank you to everyone who takes the time to read and/or post! 💖
 
Many years ago when PM'ing was still free and just anyone could contact you, I had some people telling me they hated my serious threads and just wanted me to be funny. Then there were other people saying they hated my funny threads and just wanted me to be serious. Still others hated my relationship threads and didn't want me to talk about dating at all -- in the Singles Forum! I have to laugh out loud at that one! :ROFL:
I’m really sorry you had to deal with that. It must have been frustrating and unpleasant to receive PMs like that. I think you do an excellent job creating threads here!
 
I’m really sorry you had to deal with that. It must have been frustrating and unpleasant to receive PMs like that. I think you do an excellent job creating threads here!

Thank you so much for the kind encouragement, Engblom! I greatly appreciate it -- feedback like this helps motivate me to keep trying.

I know it's kind of wrong but every now and then I laugh at the thought of people who must have thought I was just a newcomer and would be a flash in the pan.

I've been happily writing controversial and sometimes ridiculous threads since 2009, and see no signs of stopping unless God leads me elsewhere. 🤡
 
It's kind of funny to me that God seems to have made my brain a complete dichotomy that somehow has to find a way to work in harmony.

I might post threads about frivolous things like peanut butter and jelly and mac and cheese, but it's because the "other side of my brain" is contemplating subjects like this thread and hasn't quite sorted them into a full thread just yet.

My avatar right now really suits me -- I'm just a clown at heart, but one that is always thinking, reading, and absorbing a multitude of topics (hence the rainbow of colors.)

Many years ago when PM'ing was still free and just anyone could contact you, I had some people telling me they hated my serious threads and just wanted me to be funny. Then there were other people saying they hated my funny threads and just wanted me to be serious. Still others hated my relationship threads and didn't want me to talk about dating at all -- in the Singles Forum! I have to laugh out loud at that one! :ROFL:

It was kind of the epitome of the topic of this thread -- did I want to be fake and try to please one side of the people all the time? Nah. When it comes to my time on this forum, I have to be myself -- I couldn't hide it if I tried, which is also why I've never changed my username. People would know It Was Me The First Time I Wrote a Thread. :D

I really appreciate the current CC crowd because a lot of people seem to be able to roll with whatever I throw out -- and even enjoy it. :)

Thank you to everyone who takes the time to read and/or post! 💖
I honestly assumed this thread was some kind of attack on my character because I'm kind of like a prisoner at home, and you happened to write it when Carrie and I were chatting, so I was totally questioning my intentions about her and my relationship...so yeah, I did get upset and was overly sensitive when this was written but I love a lot of your posts in general.
 
I honestly assumed this thread was some kind of attack on my character because I'm kind of like a prisoner at home, and you happened to write it when Carrie and I were chatting, so I was totally questioning my intentions about her and my relationship...so yeah, I did get upset and was overly sensitive when this was written but I love a lot of your posts in general.

How on earth would I know about or want to address you being a prisoner at home?!

I probably only read half your posts, as you hang out in other threads than I do.

If I may be honest, you take things way too personally and somehow think everyone is posting about you. You're always thinking someone here is directing something at you.

Trust me, they're not. I can assure you that this forum is not revolving around you.

How would I have possibly known you were chatting with Carrie when I wrote this?!

And if the topic of fake love set you off and somehow made you think this thread was specifically about you, well...

I do hope you get it all straightened out.

Let's make a deal.

If I'm ever posting about you, I'll address you specifically.

And if I don't mention you -- it's not about you.

Easy peasy. 😎
 
I honestly assumed this thread was some kind of attack on my character because I'm kind of like a prisoner at home, and you happened to write it when Carrie and I were chatting, so I was totally questioning my intentions about her and my relationship...so yeah, I did get upset and was overly sensitive when this was written but I love a lot of your posts in general.


My threads already often come with disclaimers I've learned to add over time.

Maybe I'll start having to add: DISCLAIMER -- SEAN, THIS ISN'T ABOUT YOU! to future threads?