Skip these mumble jumble, let me give you a bird eye's view: In the early chapters of Genesis, God destroyed the whole world with a Flood, then the descendants of the survivors congregated to build the city of Babylon and the tower of Babel. God confused their language and scattered them around the world. The end time would be the same process in reversed order - the scattered tribes congregate into one place, build the new city of Babylon and the new tower of Babel, that's the Harlot; then God will destroy it with his wrath.
Pre Trib or Post trib rapture?
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Skip these mumble jumble, let me give you a bird eye's view: In the early chapters of Genesis, God destroyed the whole world with a Flood, then the descendants of the survivors congregated to build the city of Babylon and the tower of Babel. God confused their language and scattered them around the world. The end time would be the same process in reversed order - the scattered tribes congregate into one place, build the new city of Babylon and the new tower of Babel, that's the Harlot; then God will destroy it with his wrath.
Those instructions were for anyone, Jew or Gentile, resident or visitor, that are in Judea at the time the antichrist takes over the third Jewish temple.
God will have instructions for each individual child of God everywhere else in the world. We just have to listen to Him.
A good example is Noah. God told him to build an ark according to His specifications. God gave Noah 120 years time to build it and provided the materials. God will do the same for each of us.
Back to the movie. There really is a lot to learn from it. I believe that WWII is a prototype of the last days. What happened to the Jews and other groups of people targeted by the Nazis will also happen to Christians.
One of the many things to learn from the roundup is the cruelty of the oppressors. They really didn't care who they hurt, like that poor pregnant lady who tried to warn the neighborhood that the oppressors were taking children too.
The movie didn't want to be too graphic about the cruelty of the oppressors in WWII, but I've read true accounts that were actually far worse. Some of the concentration camps had guards that were extremely violent convicts. Other guards who were once kind became cruel because they were pressured to do so with terrible consequences if they didn't or became cruel just from being around cruel people.
These true accounts were so difficult to get through reading them because of their cruelty that I had to take break in between each account.
This is one of the reasons that drive me to encourage Christians to build their faith to endure in Christ. These accounts are so terrible already, but Jesus said what happens in the GT is going to be far worse. I think I'll list some of the books people can read about it in some future post. It might motivate Christians to prepare.
Another thing that impacted me from the movie was that execution - putting someone to death - might not be immediate. But the Bible says that people who refuse the mark of the beast will be beheaded.
Some people say that the anitchrist will be muslim because of this, but I think a lot of people don't know that the Nazis actually beheaded people too. So the antichrist is from the EU. Beheading is the punishment reserved only for those who are deemed traitors of the government, and in this case, if the one-world government system sees the Christian refuse the mark of the beast, that Christians is a traitor to the antichrist.
That's enough for now from me. Please let me know your other thoughts about what the movie or what to expect in the great tribulation!
As far as the movie was concerned, they wanted to keep everything away from the public, they didn't want the average citizen to know, what they were doing to the jews. Starving them, taking them to Poland, separating families, and etc.
The French government/media seemed to be tied to the hip, like propaganda. They radio dehumanized the Jewish people, making them less than, or equal to dogs. As time went on, more and more restrictions were placed on them. The Jewish seemed to have loved France, but France didn't love them back.
On a side note, you don't really see any WWII movies showing persecution of non-Jews. It wasn't just the Jews, that were slaughtered.
Anyways, I'm trying to find a good study of Revelation. The Great Tribulation is obviously gonna be a terrible time to live through, do you think we are living in the "end times"? If so, what was your sign, that we are in them? I'm still not sure, if this is truly the "end times", I still think there is some wiggle room, but if I see mass genocide, or death, that would definitely make me rethink things.
It's definitely unsettling times and anti-Christ views are definitely on the rise.
Rome is most famous as being known as the city of seven hills but----------
So is Jerusalem
Does Jerusalem sit on the 7 Mountains?
Topographically, Jerusalem is not built ON a mountain. Rather, it is built IN the mountains, and the city is, in fact, surrounded by seven mountain peaks higher than itself.
Yeah, you're wise to watch the UK and the Vatican. Daniel 7 talks about the four beasts in the ancient past that dominated much of the known world. The first beast was the lion with eagle wings. If you believe in dual fulfillment, that means that these four beasts will represent modern nations that will be the major players in the end times.
The ancient kingdom symbolized by the lion was the Babylonian Empire. Future kingdom it describes today is the British Empire or what is left of it. The wings are plucked, and the beast is made to stand like a human with a "man’s heart," signifying a shift from brute power to human governance.
The eagle wings that are plucked off seem to be the United States who who broke away from England to become an independent nation. This shows the US is not a major player of the beast system. But we will be affected by it like every other nation in the world.
A lot of people think that whoever is pope during the great tribulation will be the false prophet who will oversee the implementation of the mark of the beast.
I agree that Revelation can be difficult to understand. The book of Daniel says that for most of history, people won't understand the end-time prophecies until the time of the end comes.
The time of the end is described as:
Daniel 12:4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”
And that very much describes our time now. The scary part is that we're already starting to understand the end-time prophecies. This shows that the end is very near.
So far, I know is that that the seven trumpets start after the seventh seal is broken and there is silence in heaven for half an hour. Maybe the silence is to quiet everyone in heaven so that when the first trumpets sounds, it is clearly heard.
Some people believe the first four or five trumpets have already sounded, but some believe all seven trumpets will sound in the great trbulation, with the last trumpet sounding immediately right after the tribulation ends.
All you have outlined are really informative so we will keep watching those developments. It's quite possible these will lead to the full sounding of the trumpets since you've poinred out that not everything in each case has completely happened yet. God will make things more clear in
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Maybe one of you pretribbers can help me to unpack this verse.
Now if I am wrong as a pre tribber then I am misunderstanding this verse and am confused about what it means.
Kinda, what's that mean?
Any other pre tribber? We all know that scripture has to agree with all scripture.
I heard that Kirk Cameron no longer believes in pre-tribulation, but post-millennial. I didn't even know that is a thing!
Kirk Cameron Doesn’t Believe We Will Be Left Behind in
Pre Tribulation Rapture Let’s Talk End Times
Pre Tribulation Rapture Let’s Talk End Times
I think the false prophet will be whoever is the pope at the time the antichrist is revealed. So maybe the current pope we have right now.
That makes me wonder if the antichrist will try to hide his atrocities or not. He will openly kill the two witnesses, but astonishingly, the world will actually celebrate this and give each other gifts like it's Chrstmas. That shows how hard hearts will be, and that the whole world will hate us Christians like the Bible says.
We have social media today that will make getting the whole world to hate Christians that much easier. Christian Jew-haters will finally get to experience for themselves the hate the Jews get for the past several thousand years!
By the way, the third beast is a leopard with wings of a fowl. In ancient times, it represented the Greek Empire under Alexander the Great and the four generals after his death. The modern nation the leopard with the four heads today represents Germany and the four reichs that emerged from it. The first head stood for the Holy Roman Empire, the second head was the second Reich under Bismarck, the third was under Hitler, and the fourth is the EU which is pretty much dominated by Germany today.
The wings of the leopard represents France (the rooster is its national animal) and reflects the strong alliance between Germany and France today.
Yeah, and that's scary. The world is lulling us into a false sense of security and safety, like they not going to kill us Christians for refusing the mark.
Good call! I will look around to see if there are any movies or books specifically about that.
A quick search with AI in the meantime says this:
Polish people: The Nazis considered Poles racially inferior and targeted them for enslavement, forced labor, and extermination. They systematically murdered tens of thousands of Polish intellectuals, clergy, and political leaders in operations like Ausserordentliche Befriedungsaktion. At least 1.9 million non-Jewish Polish civilians were killed during World War II.
Roma (Sinti and Roma): The Nazis viewed Roma as racially inferior and subjected them to mass murder. Between 90,000 and 150,000 Sinti and Roma were murdered across Europe, with many sent to ghettos and extermination camps. Their genocide paralleled that of the Jews.
Soviet prisoners of war (POWs): The Nazis saw Soviet soldiers as subhuman and killed them en masse. Of the 5.7 million Soviet POWs captured, approximately 3.3 million (about 57%) died in captivity due to starvation, disease, and execution.
People with disabilities: The Nazis implemented the T-4 "euthanasia" program to eliminate those deemed genetically unfit. By 1941, around 200,000 people with physical and mental disabilities had been killed in gas chambers and gas vans.
Homosexuals: Approximately 60,000 men were arrested and imprisoned in concentration camps for homosexuality. Marked with pink triangles, they faced brutal conditions and a death rate of up to 60%.
Jehovah’s Witnesses: Around 10,000 were arrested, with nearly half killed. They were imprisoned in camps and marked with purple triangles for refusing to pledge allegiance to Hitler.
Political opponents and resistance fighters: Communists, Socialists, trade union leaders, and others opposing Nazi rule were imprisoned or executed. Many were sent to concentration camps, where they faced harsh treatment and high mortality.
Other groups: This includes citizens who aided Jews, criminals labeled as "asocial," and Black people, who were targeted for sterilization and segregation. The total number of non-Jewish victims is estimated at 5 million or more, with some historians placing the total death toll from Nazi racial policies at 11–17 million
For me I think it's near because of world events lining up for the great tribulation and Armageddon, Christians already starting to fall away, the technology for the mark of the beast developed and the Euphrates drying up.
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No posttriibber wants to tell the poor misguided pretribber what one verse means? Come on you can do it...
Yeah, you're wise to watch the UK and the Vatican. Daniel 7 talks about the four beasts in the ancient past that dominated much of the known world. The first beast was the lion with eagle wings. If you believe in dual fulfillment, that means that these four beasts will represent modern nations that will be the major players in the end times.
The ancient kingdom symbolized by the lion was the Babylonian Empire. Future kingdom it describes today is the British Empire or what is left of it. The wings are plucked, and the beast is made to stand like a human with a "man’s heart," signifying a shift from brute power to human governance.
The eagle wings that are plucked off seem to be the United States who who broke away from England to become an independent nation. This shows the US is not a major player of the beast system. But we will be affected by it like every other nation in the world.
A lot of people think that whoever is pope during the great tribulation will be the false prophet who will oversee the implementation of the mark of the beast.
I agree that Revelation can be difficult to understand. The book of Daniel says that for most of history, people won't understand the end-time prophecies until the time of the end comes.
The time of the end is described as:
Daniel 12:4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”
And that very much describes our time now. The scary part is that we're already starting to understand the end-time prophecies. This shows that the end is very near.
So far, I know is that that the seven trumpets start after the seventh seal is broken and there is silence in heaven for half an hour. Maybe the silence is to quiet everyone in heaven so that when the first trumpets sounds, it is clearly heard.
Some people believe the first four or five trumpets have already sounded, but some believe all seven trumpets will sound in the great trbulation, with the last trumpet sounding immediately right after the tribulation ends.
All you have outlined are really informative so we will keep watching those developments. It's quite possible these will lead to the full sounding of the trumpets since you've poinred out that not everything in each case has completely happened yet. God will make things more clear in
I heard it taught, if I remember correctly, that all the things line up, as like a retelling of the same story, but adding gaps, as it moves forward. What do I mean by that?
So, the seven churches, the seven bowls, and the seven trumpets are all timed by the same number, but each adding to it. Not sure if this is correct, or anything, but it would be interesting if the line up.
Do you think it's possible to line the message to the 1st Church of Ephesus, the first bowl, and the first Trumpet as one single event? Like the message to the Church when the first bowl and first trumpet happen, read the letter to Ephesus?!?!
It would be an interesting study, to see how the message to the churches line up with the bowls and trumpets..
- 1st Church of Ephesus (Rev 2:1-7): Explore the ancient ruins of the church that lost its first love.
- 2nd Church of Smyrna (Rev 2:8-11): Visit the site of the persecuted and impoverished church.
- 3rd Church of Pergamon (Rev 2:12-17): Discover the site of the church in need of repentance from false teachings.
- 4th Church of Thyatira (Rev 2:18-29): See the remains of the church that struggled with immorality and idol worship
- 5th Church of Sardis (Rev 3:1-6): Visit the church that is spiritually asleep and needs revival.
- 6th Church of Philadelphia (Rev 3:7-13): Stand at the site of the faithful church.
- 7th Church of Laodicea (Rev 3:14-22): Explore the ruins of the lukewarm church, called to be fervent in faith.
The first bowl. The first angel pours out the first bowl on the land, “and ugly, festering sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image” (Revelation 16:2).
The second bowl. The second bowl is poured out on the sea, turning the water “into blood like that of a dead person, and every living thing in the sea died” (Revelation 16:3).
The third bowl. When the third bowl of God’s wrath is poured out, the rivers and freshwater springs also turn into blood (Revelation 16:4–5).
The fourth bowl. The fourth angel pours out his bowl on the sun, “and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire. They were seared by the intense heat” (Revelation 16:8–9)
The fifth bowl. The fifth of the seven bowls causes the kingdom of the beast to be plunged into great darkness. The pain and suffering of the wicked intensify, so that people gnaw their tongues in agony (Revelation 16:10–11)
The sixth bowl. The sixth angel pours out his bowl of judgment on the Euphrates River. That river is dried up in preparation for the kings of the East making their way to their own destruction (Revelation 16:12)
The seventh bowl. The seventh bowl is emptied into the atmosphere. A loud voice in heaven says, “It is done!” (Revelation 16:17).
- 1st Trumpet: Hail, fire, and blood are thrown to the earth, burning up a third of the trees and green grass.
- 2nd Trumpet: Something like a great mountain burning with fire is thrown into the sea, turning a third of it to blood and killing a third of all marine life and ships.
- 3rd Trumpet: A great flaming star called Wormwood falls from heaven, making a third of all freshwater bitter and poisonous.
- 4th Trumpet: A third of daylight, moonlight, and starlight is taken away, making days and nights significantly darker.
- 5th Trumpet: Locusts/scorpions are released from the bottomless pit to torture people without God’s seal on their foreheads for five months.
The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.”
I heard that Kirk Cameron no longer believes in pre-tribulation, but post-millennial. I didn't even know that is a thing!
Kirk Cameron Doesn’t Believe We Will Be Left Behind in
Pre Tribulation Rapture Let’s Talk End Times
Well, maybe a new movie is coming out, and needs to be in line with it, to get a part in it?
That makes me wonder if the antichrist will try to hide his atrocities or not. He will openly kill the two witnesses, but astonishingly, the world will actually celebrate this and give each other gifts like it's Chrstmas. That shows how hard hearts will be, and that the whole world will hate us Christians like the Bible says.
For me I think it's near because of world events lining up for the great tribulation and Armageddon, Christians already starting to fall away, the technology for the mark of the beast developed and the Euphrates drying up.
"Yes, the Euphrates River is drying up due to a combination of climate change and human impact. Factors such as decreased rainfall, rising temperatures, and increased evaporation are contributing to the decline in water levels, which poses severe threats to ecosystems, agriculture, and communities that depend on the river for sustenance. Projections indicate that if urgent action is not taken, the river could dry up completely by 2040. "
Did not know that.
Thanks for kindly asking; English is not my second language; I spoke tongues [ Spanish ] in
high school 50-some years ago...
Precious friend, here ya go - a Biblical Comparison Of God's Two Different Programs
[ Pre-trib Full verses will be in Part II ]:
Part I
LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding
In This Thy Most Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation.
Amen. (1 Thessalonians 4:18 AV)
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Intro:
Time Of JACOB’s {Israel's} Trouble (TOJT), Ending With
The Second Coming, is found in God's Context:
God's Prophetic Program / Covenants / LAW, gospel of the kingdom
(“ages” past/future) (Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)
God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose "From the foundation of the world”
(Matthew 25:34)
God's Purpose Prophesied “since the world began” (Luke 1:68-70; Acts 3:21!)
End Intro:
The Second Coming, According to Prophecy:
(1) Immediately After tribulation/4 signs, CHRIST, In His
Prophesied Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And LORD Of lords,
Is Coming From Heaven! (Matthew 24:29; Revelation 19:16, 11!)
(2) CHRIST Is Coming On a white horse, With Crowns On
His Head, And A Sword In His Mouth! (Revelation 19:12-15)
(3) CHRIST Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven!),
His armies * on white horses! (Revelation 19:12-15)
(4) CHRIST Is Coming To earth With ONE army, * “All Of His holy angels,”
In Order To Judge/Make war/Smite And Rule the nations…
(Matthew 25:31; Revelation 19:19)
(5) With Another trumpet (After "the 7th angel trumpet in heaven), on
the earth, Angels Are Sent, By The KING, To: “gather the elect”...
(Matthew 24:31; Mark 13:27!)
► Just One question about 'post-trib "Catching Up"'? Do they all believe this is
the "Exact Same Catching Up" as This?" = "To Meet The Lord In the air"? ◄ ✓:
(6)...for the “judgment of the Earthly Nations” By The Son of man, The King!
(Matthew 25:31-46!)
(7) Those Judged as righteous then enter the kingdom! And the UNrighteous
then Depart into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels!
(Matthew 25:34-46 AV)
Biblical Comparison Of God's Two Different Programs...
to be continued Next Post...
Part II Biblical Comparison of God's Two Different Programs:
[ Previously ] God's Prophetic Program, and second earthly coming
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:1 From “Things That Differ!" {online}:
Great GRACE Departure!
Intro:
Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST,
Ending God’s Age Of GRACE, Is Found In:
God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!
{ Current = “But Now!” } (Romans through Philemon AV)
God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose "Before the foundation of the world”
(Ephesians 1:4) (2 Timothy 1:9)
God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret “since the world began”
(Romans 16:25) (Ephesians 1:4-11, 3:5-9)
End of Intro
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Yes, FULLY-typed-out Pre-Trib Biblically Confirmed Passages For:
1) CHRIST, As Head Of His Body...:
4) ...CHRIST's Voice “Gathers His Body” To Himself, to Take them
continued in Next Post...
[ Previously ] God's Prophetic Program, and second earthly coming
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:1 From “Things That Differ!" {online}:
Great GRACE Departure!
Intro:
Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST,
Ending God’s Age Of GRACE, Is Found In:
God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!
{ Current = “But Now!” } (Romans through Philemon AV)
God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose "Before the foundation of the world”
(Ephesians 1:4) (2 Timothy 1:9)
God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret “since the world began”
(Romans 16:25) (Ephesians 1:4-11, 3:5-9)
End of Intro
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Precious friend @kinda with hope, in this kind/humble discussion, as you requested:
Yes, FULLY-typed-out Pre-Trib Biblically Confirmed Passages For:
The Great GRACE [ Pre-Trib ] Departure, According to The Heavenly Mystery!:
1) CHRIST, As Head Of His Body...:
"...The Head over all things to The Church, Which is His Body, The Fulness
Of Him That Filleth all in all." (Eph_1:19-23 cp Col_1:18 AV)
2) ...Is God ( JESUS CHRIST ) Who Will Bring With Him those souls [ "members of His Body"Present With Him in Heaven ] who are “asleep [ absent from the body ] In JESUS!”...:
“We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and
to be present With The Lord.” (2Co_5:8 cp Phi_1:21-23 AV)
“But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which
are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we
believe that Jesus Died and Rose again, even so them also which sleep in
Jesus Will God Bring With Him. (1Th_4:13-14 AV)
3) ...Immediately Before God's 'Trump' [ Voice ] Closes This Mystery Age Of GRACE!...:"For The Lord Himself Shall Descend from heaven with a shout, with the
voice of the archangel, and with The Trump ** Of God: and the dead in Christ
shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds, to meet The Lord in the air: and so
shall we ever be with The Lord." (1Th_4:16-17 AV)
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"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the Last Trump ** : for the
trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and
we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and
this mortal must put on immortality. (1Co_15:52-53 AV)
** Note the First Mystery [ Voice ] "Trump Of God"Opening The Age Of Grace:"Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou Me?" (Acts_9:4 AV)
Thus Is The Last Mystery Trump Of God Calling us?: "My Church, Come Up Hither"?
4) ...CHRIST's Voice “Gathers His Body” To Himself, to Take them
To [ Blessed Hope Turned To Sight!! ] Heaven!...:
“And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we Shall
Also Bear the image of The Heavenly.” (1Co_15:49 AV)
“I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, ( whether in the body, I
cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; ) such
an one Caught Up to the third Heaven.” (2Co_12:2 AV)
[ Surely, According To God's Mystery, this a figure / type / picture of our rapture, eh? ]
"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we
have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the Heavens.
For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which
is from Heaven" (2Co_5:1-2 AV)
“Blessed be The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Who Hath Blessed
us with All spiritual blessings in Heavenly Places in Christ...Which He Wrought
in Christ, When He Raised Him from the Dead, and Set Him At His Own Right
Hand in The Heavenly Places” (Eph_1:3, 20 AV)
“And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together
in Heavenly Places In Christ Jesus” (Eph_2:6 AV)
“For our conversation is in Heaven; from Whence also we look
for The Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:” (Phi_3:20 AV)
“And The Lord Shall Deliver me from every evil work, and Will Preserve
me unto His Heavenly Kingdom: to Whom be Glory for ever and ever. Amen.”
(2Ti_4:18 AV)
"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and
by our Gathering Together Unto Him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or
be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that
The Day Of Christ { Light And Glorification! * } is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away [ Great Grace Departure ? ] first,
and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition"
(2Th_2:1-3 AV)
* Compare 'Prophetic' Day Of The Lord [ Darkness and WOE! ]
Pre-trib Heaven-Bound Body Of Christ...continued in Next Post...
Part II Continued:
Pre-Trib Fully-Posted Passages Confirming God's Great Grace Departure!:
6)...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For His Heavenly Body,
* Note:
Conclusion: verses Never "taken Out Of God's Heavenly Context" and
"placed in HIS Other earthly Context" Will Never Cause Confusion. Amen?
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LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD,
Gift Of Eternal Salvation, And for Your Comfort Of Blessed Hope of
Glorification When You Come To Finally Gather us Home! Amen.
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Please Be Very Richly Edified, Encouraged, And Comforted! And:
Precious friend(s), see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫
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Further study:
Precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:
The Bible: The BIG Picture
Amen.
Pre-Trib Fully-Posted Passages Confirming God's Great Grace Departure!:
6)...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For His Heavenly Body,
By The Head Of The Church, The Righteous Judge Himself!:
“Who Will Render To every man according to his deeds...In The Day When
God Shall Judge the secrets of men By Jesus Christ According To my Gospel.”
"...we shall all stand before The Judgment Seat Of Christ. For It Is Written,
As I live, saith The Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall
confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God."
“Therefore judge nothing before the time, until The Lord come, Who both
Will Bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and Will Make Manifest
the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.”
“For ye Are Bought With A Price: therefore glorify God in your body,
and in your spirit, which are God's.” (1 Corinthians 6:20 AV)
“For we must all appear before The Judgment Seat Of Christ; that every one
may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done,
whether it be good or bad.” (2 Corinthians 5:10 AV)
“Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he
receive of The Lord, whether he be bond or free.” (Ephesians 6:8 AV)
"Knowing that of The Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for
ye serve The Lord Christ. But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong
which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons." (Colossians 3:24-25 AV)
The Judgment Seat Of Christ:
"Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall
receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers
together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
According to The Grace Of God Which Is Given Unto me, as a wise masterbuilder,
I have laid The Foundation, and another buildeth Thereon. But let every man take
heed how he buildeth Thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than That
is laid, Which Is Jesus Christ.
Now if any man build upon This Foundation gold, silver, precious stones,
wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for The Day
Shall Declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try
every man's work of what sort it is.
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a
reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself
Shall Be Saved; yet so as by fire." (1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV)
(7a) ...After Judgment, then the GRACE Body Of Christ assembly Is Ready for:
“That He Might Present it To Himself a glorious church, not having spot,
or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.”
(Ephesians 5:27 AV)
(7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Make Another 'Presentation' of His Body:“To the end He May Stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before
God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.”
“For The Hope Which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before
in The Word Of The Truth Of The Gospel;...In The Body Of His Flesh Through
Death, To Present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable In His Sight:”
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The ONE army Of The Body Of CHRIST ( Already resurrected/Caught Up Before
The Prophetic Resumption of the TOJT [ Time Of Jacob's / Israel's Trouble ] and
6/7 years Prior To The Prophetic Second Coming Of Christ All The Way To The Earth ),
Must "have been assigned our Heavenly positions" : for ruling and reigning! Amen?
Conclusion: verses Never "taken Out Of God's Heavenly Context" and
"placed in HIS Other earthly Context" Will Never Cause Confusion. Amen?
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LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD,
Gift Of Eternal Salvation, And for Your Comfort Of Blessed Hope of
Glorification When You Come To Finally Gather us Home! Amen.
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Please Be Very Richly Edified, Encouraged, And Comforted! And:
Precious friend(s), see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫
↑Further study:
Precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:
The Bible: The BIG Picture
Amen.
No post tribber has answered this question. That can only mean one thing.
You post Tribbers can understand that verse! You are avoiding answering what I asked you because it's easy to tell that they are talking about the rapture! And boy does it sound pre trib!
That's why they wont answer! This verse was a surprise to me too! I've read the bible cover to cover quite a few times and don't remember this, lol. I'm going to add that scripture to my rapture scriptures in my notes!
Sorry Bro...still not following you. At this point, it doesn't really matter to me. Believe in pretribulation rapture if you want, I'm not gonna ask a second time, for you to make your thoughts about scripture concise and to the point, so I can understand what your saying.
Hopefully, you understood my posts, and if you understand what you believe, which I hope you do, than that's good enough in my book. It's not my job to change your mind. I don't think it's your job to make me understand how you see things, and even if you try, do you really want me to write conflicting ideas and points? Just believe what you want, your gonna do that anyways right?
One thing I would do, if I was you. Ask other people in this thread, to see if they understand what you are putting down, because clearly communicating is beneficial. It could be I don't understand your writing style. It reminds of codes and short phrases, rather than sentences and explanation of verses in the Bible, that support your view.
I do apologize for not understanding you, hopefully someone else benefits from your posts, it just ain't me.
Here it is:
Hebrews 9:28
28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him..../KJV