The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[Undergrace1]

I stand by my post, the Scriptures were being misrepresented, the Ten Commandments was never written with ink. You never provided one Scripture evidence that they were.

The following is what you said I was misrepresenting. I put forth the following verse:

'''You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Cor3:3 '''

Now how on earth could I be misrepresenting it, I just quoted the verse, that states, we have no law on tablets of stone but one on tablets of human hearts, something a while later you stated yourself.
Of course you wont admit to bearing false witness, its only transgressing one of the TC aftrer all

 

[SabbathBlessing]

The following is what you said I was misrepresenting. I put forth the following verse:

'''You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Cor3:3 '''

Now how on earth could I be misrepresenting it, I just quoted the verse, that states, we have no law on tablets of stone but one on tablets of human hearts, something a while later you stated yourself.
Of course you wont admit to bearing false witness, its only transgressing one of the TC aftrer all

Already explained about 5 times. You also micro-quoted me and did not allow the Scriptures to show the only law they are speaking about, the Ten Commandments and where they went from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart. The New Covenant Heb8:10 God's laws, that He defined Exo20:6 written by the Spirit of the living God Exo31:18 now being written on the heart and mind. Why its still a sin to break them in the NC 1John3:4 James2:11 Mat5:19-30 Rom7:7 The location changed not the words of the law of God as God promised Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19

 

[Undergrace1]

Already explained about 5 times.

Yeah this is what you mistakenly keep writing:
'''I stand by my post, the Scriptures were being misrepresented, the Ten Commandments was never written with ink. You never provided one Scripture evidence that they were.''''

Who said they were concerning that verse? Not me! The verse says we do not have a law on stone but one written on human hearts.
You see how easy it is to transgress the law you insist must be obeyed, and you do so without apology

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Yeah this is what you mistakenly keep writing:
'''I stand by my post, the Scriptures were being misrepresented, the Ten Commandments was never written with ink. You never provided one Scripture evidence that they were.''''

Who said they were concerning that verse? Not me! The verse says we do not have a law on stone but one written on human hearts.
You see how easy it is to transgress the law you insist must be obeyed, and you do so without apology

What law is written on the heart that was written by the Spirit of the living God?

 

[Undergrace1]

What law is written on the heart that was written by the Spirit of the living God?

Scroll back, Ive written it all out. But its interesting you appear , from what you write to have no conscience at transgressing the TC. That is just a truthful observation, for I never misrepresented that verse, yet you carry on insisting I did.

 

[Qt]

Surely we don't need dictionaries, discernment will do:
Someone says to a young teenager

‘’The righteous/justified will obey the TC,

Let us suppose the young teenager is not in ignorance as to what is entailed in obeying the TC, they know no watered down version of them exists. Before them stands the tenth commandment. They must NOT lust/ dwell on any impure thought. What will go through the young teenagers mind?



‘’I must not dwell on any impure thought, if I do it shows I Am not justified before God and will end up in hell’’

Im sure the young man would be petrified of such thoughts, what could you fear more, as a believer than being cast into hell for eternity?

Can you escape thinking of what you fear, or, will thoughts of what you fear consume you? Speaking for myself, when I was young, the more I feared something, the more wild imaginations went through my mind concerning what I feared, and so, concerning the young teenager:

‘’I don’t want to go to hell, I must not dwell on any impure thought, I must not’’



What will be the result? Well it shouldn‘t take much discernment to know. But Paul can explain it. In Rom7:7-11 he is speaking of the time the law came to him, as a thirteen year old, for that is when a young Jewish lad made a personal commitment to God:

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence/sexual desire/passions. For without the law sin was dead. Rom7:7&8

The text reveals itself. It says,
Sin wrought in him all manner of concupiscence not the Law. For he would not have known sin but by the Law. As the previous verse stated.


Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

 

[Undergrace1]

The text reveals itself. It says,
Sin wrought in him all manner of concupiscence not the Law. For he would not have known sin but by the Law. As the previous verse stated.


Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Yes, sin took occasion of the tenth commandment to arouse all manner of concupiscence/sexual desire/passions in Saul
As the NIV uses the word ''passions''

And I've explained to you how and why it happens

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Scroll back, Ive written it all out. But its interesting you appear , from what you write to have no conscience at transgressing the TC. That is just a truthful observation, for I never misrepresented that verse, yet you carry on insisting I did.

I am giving you a chance to clear the air. That is not an answer, what law in 2Cor3:3 is being referred to that is written by the Spirit of the living God that went from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart.

 

[Undergrace1]

I am giving you a chance to clear the air. That is not an answer, what law in 2Cor3:3 is being referred to that is written by the Spirit of the living God that went from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart.

I am not prepared to debate you any longer. Whenever you find it difficult to address what is placed before you, you start maligning me as a diversion, then telling me you will not debate me anymore, yet after a time you come back for more debate, then end up maligning me again. Not fruitful, bye
And BTW, as I have already today explained that to someone else, you should just read the comment if you wish

 

[vassal]

I am not prepared to debate you any longer. Whenever you find it difficult to address what is placed before you, you start maligning me, then telling me you will not debate me anymore, yet after a time you come back for more debate, then end up maligning me again. Not fruitful, bye

it is evident to me that all you say other do wrong applies instead to you and fits like a glove. i think you see this and probably do it on purpose, no need to reply.

 

[Undergrace1]

it is evident to me that all you say other do wrong applies instead to you and fits like a glove. i think you see this and probably do it on purpose, no need to reply.

Yes, I never got an apology from you yesterday for bearing false witness of me did I. It astounds me how some can so casually transgress what is written in the law they insist must be obeyed

 

[GWH]

The OT is what explains this passage, sadly not everyone cares to know what it really means.

Take care

Apparently you do not care to explain what it ( the context to the 5 OT references Paul is referring to in Heb4:1-11) means
per the NT. You stand by the OC, but again I urge you to update your ID in light of the NT/Heb. 4:1-11, and thereby understand
that the OC/Matt. 5:18 was fulfilled/finished by Jesus's death per John 19:30 (cf. Eph. 2:4-22, Heb. 7:11-10:1), so Gal. 1:6-9 & 3:1-4
will not apply to your perverted preaching/"gospel". LIC, GWH

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Apparently you do not care to explain what it ( the context to the 5 OT references Paul is referring to in Heb4:1-11) means
per the NT. You stand by the OC, but again I urge you to update your ID in light of the NT/Heb. 4:1-11, and thereby understand
that the OC/Matt. 5:18 was fulfilled/finished by Jesus's death per John 19:30 (cf. Eph. 2:4-22, Heb. 7:11-10:1), so Gal. 1:6-9 & 3:1-4
will not apply to your perverted preaching/"gospel". LIC, GWH

I asked you to you because you brought it up, but can't even provide the context Paul is quoting, otherwise you would just provide it.

 

[rogerg]

I am giving you a chance to clear the air. That is not an answer, what law in 2Cor3:3 is being referred to that is written by the Spirit of the living God that went from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart.

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus:

[2Co 3:10-18 KJV]
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away [was] glorious, much more that which remaineth [is] glorious.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, [which] put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which [vail] is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, [even] as by the Spirit of the Lord.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

it is evident to me that all you say other do wrong applies instead to you and fits like a glove. i think you see this and probably do it on purpose, no need to reply.

Any direct Scripture asked to be explained by Scripture rarely is, why accusations have to be resorted to.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus:

[2Co 3:10-18 KJV]
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away [was] glorious, much more that which remaineth [is] glorious.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, [which] put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which [vail] is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, [even] as by the Spirit of the Lord.

This is speaking of the ministration under the Spirit of Christ. 2Cor3:3 is directly speaking about the law, that was written by the Spirit of the living God and where it went to.

 

[rogerg]

This is speaking of the ministration under the Spirit of Christ. 2Cor3:3 is directly speaking about the law, that was written by the Spirit of the living God and where it went to.

The whole chapter is interconnected - a continuation of the same doctrine described from beginning to end. Look at the
first word of each verse, they are a continuation of the prior one

 

[rogerg]

Jesus did satisfy the law, but not so we could ignore it. He satisfied it as the perfect Son, not as a substitute for our obedience. He never said, “I obey so you don’t have to.” He said, “Follow Me.”

No, "follow me" does not mean to follow after OC law (which law was done away with for those in Christ), but to follow after Jesus specifically as the Savior, not OC law. Those who seek to establish their righteousness by the keeping of it are under God's wrath; those He saves are under grace. By informing us that He would fulfill the law, He informed us that “we don’t have to” follow law for righteousness - righteousness is imputed solely from Christ, by Christ, through grace. There is no righteousness to be found by keeping the OC law, and so we are not governed by it.
For those to whom it is given, salvation comes as a completely free gift from God; as such, our obedience provides no part in the receiving of it. For those saved, the Old Covenant law is done away with in Christ. I'll post the same verses I posted to SabbathBlessing:

[2Co 3:10-18 KJV]
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away [was] glorious, much more that which remaineth [is] glorious.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, [which] put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which [vail] is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, [even] as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Salvation is not earned by law-keeping,

Correct- Salvation is given as completely free gift from an exceedingly gracious, kind, loving and merciful Father through Jesus Christ the Savior to those whom He had chosen to salvation, even though none deserve it. To whom it is given, it is given in its completeness, with nothing withheld or dependent upon our satisfying of any stipulations or requirements, besides of having been chosen by Him for it.

If obedience were no longer needed, Jesus would not command us to keep His words, bear fruit, deny ourselves, and live holy lives. He fulfilled the law to show what true obedience looks like, and to make a way for us to live it through Him, not apart from Him.
Grace removes condemnation, not discipleship.

No, He did not fulfill the law to show what true obedience looks like that we should be required to do likewise. He fulfilled the law so that His elect wouldn’t have to so in order to become saved. By Christ, for those He saves, OC law has been abolished, and salvation is only by His grace not law.
True obedience is to have faith in Christ alone as the Savior, not to the law. Obedience also comes as a gift from God unto those that He saves.

[Rom 1:5 KJV] 5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

 

[SabbathBlessing]

The whole chapter is interconnected - a continuation of the same doctrine described from beginning to end. Look at the
first word of each verse, they are a continuation of the prior one

It all has different context of what its speaking of but beleive as you wish.

 

[Undergrace1]

No, "follow me" does not mean to follow after OC law (which law was done away with for those in Christ), but to follow after Jesus specifically as the Savior, not OC law. Those who seek to establish their righteousness by the keeping of it are under God's wrath; those He saves are under grace. By informing us that He would fulfill the law, He informed us that “we don’t have to” follow law for righteousness - righteousness is imputed solely from Christ, by Christ, through grace. There is no righteousness to be found by keeping the OC law, and so we are not governed by it.
For those to whom it is given, salvation comes as a completely free gift from God; as such, our obedience provides no part in the receiving of it. For those saved, the Old Covenant law is done away with in Christ. I'll post the same verses I posted to SabbathBlessing:

[2Co 3:10-18 KJV]
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away [was] glorious, much more that which remaineth [is] glorious.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, [which] put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which [vail] is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, [even] as by the Spirit of the Lord.



Correct- Salvation is given as completely free gift from an exceedingly gracious, kind, loving and merciful Father through Jesus Christ the Savior to those whom He had chosen to salvation, even though none deserve it. To whom it is given, it is given in its completeness, with nothing withheld or dependent upon our satisfying of any stipulations or requirements, besides of having been chosen by Him for it.



No, He did not fulfill the law to show what true obedience looks like that we should be required to do likewise. He fulfilled the law so that His elect wouldn’t have to so in order to become saved. By Christ, for those He saves, OC law has been abolished, and salvation is only by His grace not law.
True obedience is to have faith in Christ alone as the Savior, not to the law. Obedience also comes as a gift from God unto those that He saves.

[Rom 1:5 KJV] 5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

There's plenty of verses on this:
For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,[e] just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith Rom1:17



Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in[h] Jesus Christ to all who believe. Rom3:21&22

For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law Rom3:28

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. Rom10:4

“We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in[d] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified. Gal2:15&1623-25



I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing Gal2:21

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e] 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith Gal3:10&11

Before the coming of this faith,[j] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian Rom3: 23-25

not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in[a] Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. Phil3:9



In the earlier NIV it says observing the law instead of works of the law, only some are mixed up about this