The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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Yes you ARE denying and twisting the NC (Eph. 2:4-22, Heb. 7:11-10:1, Gal. 1:6-9, 3:1-4).
I urge you to interpret SabbathBlessing per Heb. 4:1-11 and thereby understand that
Matt. 5:18/the OC was fulfilled by Jesus's death per John 19:30.
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Surely we don't need dictionaries, discernment will do:
Someone says to a young teenager
‘’The righteous/justified will obey the TC,
Let us suppose the young teenager is not in ignorance as to what is entailed in obeying the TC, they know no watered down version of them exists. Before them stands the tenth commandment. They must NOT lust/ dwell on any impure thought. What will go through the young teenagers mind?
‘’I must not dwell on any impure thought, if I do it shows I Am not justified before God and will end up in hell’’
Im sure the young man would be petrified of such thoughts, what could you fear more, as a believer than being cast into hell for eternity?
Can you escape thinking of what you fear, or, will thoughts of what you fear consume you? Speaking for myself, when I was young, the more I feared something, the more wild imaginations went through my mind concerning what I feared, and so, concerning the young teenager:
‘’I don’t want to go to hell, I must not dwell on any impure thought, I must not’’
What will be the result? Well it shouldn‘t take much discernment to know. But Paul can explain it. In Rom7:7-11 he is speaking of the time the law came to him, as a thirteen year old, for that is when a young Jewish lad made a personal commitment to God:
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence/sexual desire/passions. For without the law sin was dead. Rom7:7&8
Still yet, it is continually being asserted, over and over and over again, that there is no righteousness apart from the law.
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Many of them word it as subtly as possible, IE:Still yet, it is continually being asserted, over and over and over again, that there is no righteousness apart from the law.
''You are not righteous by obeying the law but you can only be in a righteous state if you do obey it.''
Which basically places people under righteousness of obeying the law
Righteousness (right doing) is by faith
All God's commandments are righteous Psa119:172 Isa 56:2 I am not saying this God is- His righteousness is everlasting Psa 119:142
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
Its the faith part that saves, it the obedience part that proves our faith in God is genuine. Not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter into His Kingdom Mat7:21-23 Luke 6:46-49
Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going
Why would anyone think worshipping other gods or stealing from our neighbor or profaning God is right-doing. This is a very sad and misleading teaching. That obeying God is bad and disobeying Him is good.
1 John3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
All God's commandments are righteous Psa119:172 Isa 56:2 I am not saying this God is- His righteousness is everlasting Psa 119:142
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
Its the faith part that saves, it the obedience part that proves our faith in God is genuine. Not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter into His Kingdom Mat7:21-23 Luke 6:46-49
Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going
Why would anyone think worshipping other gods or stealing from our neighbor or profaning God is right-doing. This is a very sad and misleading teaching. That obeying God is bad and disobeying Him is good.
1 John3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
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As you once told me and I quote:
''What's so hard about obeying ten simple commands'' Im not surprised at what you have written. But why did you not include what goes on, on the inside of the individual? I wonder
Another accusation that can't be proven by facts. You seem to really good at that.
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Its basically righteousness of obeying a watered down version of the TC, however, they do not tell you that when they insist you mjust obey them
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I would have a conscience at bearing false witness, I have never forgotten you told me that, it left a huge impression on me. Just like, you have borne false witness against me in debate today as anyone can see. That is simply the truth, nothing more
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Of course it can be proven. The person who wrote half the books of the NT stataed the TC are the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation
Do you claim to fully obey the law relating to the inner person, the law no one but you and God need know you break?
So how do you square that with the righteous will obey the TC? Simple, relate it to stealing or worshipping other gods!
Without evidence it means nothing. Memories fade context not being evaluated, if even stated at all. Anyone can say anything about anyone, without evidence its just a one sided accusation and means nothing,
I do not even think you know what your arguing about most of the time. For example, you were accusing me about me saying something to you at some point that you don't know when, can't provide the example,, and some how twist that about Paul's writings.
This is so not fruitful. Just take care of yourself, I am not going to continue this, the spirit of the accuser is not who we should be subjecting ourselves to.
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Well my memory has not faded, not over a comment such as that. Up to people what they believe, I can have a clear conscience because I have simply told the truth
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Yes you keep writing the above when you have nowhere to go in a debate, but then you keep coming back later for further debate:
Heres a post of yours to me today:
Can you show me from Scripture where God wrote with ink on scrolls. God the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of the living God wrote the Ten Commandments with His finger on stone, not ink. You are misinterpreting this plain Scripture. Humans wrote with ink, not God. God wrote the Ten Commandments its all throughout our Bibles and when we reject them according to Paul we are an enmity to God. Whoever we obey is who we serve, when we reject what God told us to live by and replace with words of another, we are making a decision of who we serve or worship. I trust God, not just with 90% of what He wrote because He knows what’s best for us but even with the commandment He asked us to Remember, because what He asks is greater than anything that could replace it.'''
It was actually remarkable how you could not see from 2Cor3:3 what you later wrote in a post concerning it
Instead you started accusing me of misrepresenting scripture, which I did not. Never got an apology, never mind
I stand by my post, the Scriptures were being misrepresented, the Ten Commandments was never written with ink. You never provided one Scripture evidence that they were.
The Ten Commandments was written by the Spirit of the living God, I proved that, the Scripture says its what was written by Spirit of the living God. Which is ONLY Ten Commandments and I proved that again through Scripture.
We are told not to lean on our own understanding but trust God Pro3:5-6 this is a good rule to follow in my view.
The Ten Commandments was written by the Spirit of the living God, I proved that, the Scripture says its what was written by Spirit of the living God. Which is ONLY Ten Commandments and I proved that again through Scripture.
We are told not to lean on our own understanding but trust God Pro3:5-6 this is a good rule to follow in my view.
Still yet, it is continually being asserted, over and over and over again, that there is no righteousness apart from the law.
No one who actually reads Jesus is saying “the law itself makes you righteous.” Not Moses. Not the prophets. Not Jesus. What Scripture says is this: righteousness is living right before God, and the law describes what right looks like. The law is not the source of righteousness. God is.
Here are concrete examples that destroy that claim.
First, Jesus Himself. He did not say righteousness comes from having a law book. He said it comes from doing the will of the Father.
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father” (Matthew 7:21, ASV).
Notice what condemns people in this passage. Not ignorance of law. Not lack of ritual. But refusing to do what God says while claiming His name. That already proves righteousness is about obedience from the heart, not legal possession.
Second example. Jesus rebukes the Pharisees. They had the law. They knew it better than anyone. Yet Jesus says they were not righteous.
“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye tithe mint and anise and cummin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law, justice, and mercy, and faith” (Matthew 23:23, ASV).
If righteousness were “the law alone,” the Pharisees would have been perfect. Jesus says the opposite. Law without justice, mercy, and faith is empty.
Third example. The parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector.
The Pharisee lists his law-keeping. The tax collector simply cries for mercy. Jesus says the tax collector went home righteous, not the law-boaster (Luke 18:9–14).
That alone ends the argument. Righteousness did not come from law-keeping as a checklist. It came from a humble heart that turned to God.
Fourth example from the Old Testament, long before Jesus.
“Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts” (Psalm 51:6, ASV).
“To do justly, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with thy God” (Micah 6:8, ASV).
David had the law. Saul had the law. One was called a man after God’s heart. The difference was obedience, repentance, and faithfulness, not access to commandments.
Jesus does not contrast righteousness with the law. He explains what the law is for and how it is rightly lived.
“Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17, ASV).
Then He immediately defines what real righteousness looks like.
“For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:20, ASV).
If righteousness were simply “law alone,” the scribes and Pharisees would have been the standard. Jesus says they were not enough. Why? Because they kept rules while neglecting the heart, mercy, truth, and obedience to God’s intent.
Jesus consistently shows that righteousness is not the absence of the law, and not the law by itself, but a heart that obeys God sincerely.
“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46, ASV).
So the issue is not whether God has standards. He does. The issue is whether people obey Him from the heart or hide behind labels, systems, or selective verses.
Righteousness is obedience to God as He commands it, not as men redefine it.