The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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Mem said:
Where is this being preached according to your referenced definitions?
The if then proposition is also true "if not, then not." If the law has brought one to repentance for forgiveness and is transformed, and it is only by grace that there is room given for repentance and forgiveness (and this room, or place given, is Christ), then it is grace, indeed, that saves, and not the law.

The Father's commandment is to believe in His Son, Ha Makom, the Place. He is in Father and Father is in Him, with the Holy Spirit, in the Holy of Holies.
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Here is the problem with your reply. You keep redefining the argument so you can avoid what Jesus actually said.

First, asking “where is this being preached” is a dodge. Truth is not measured by how popular it is. Jesus Himself said many would preach a wide and easy way that leads to destruction, while few walk the narrow way (Matthew 7:13–14). The question is not where it is preached, but whether it is true according to Christ’s words.

Second, no one said the law saves. That is a straw man. The law exposes sin. Grace forgives sin. But Jesus never taught forgiveness without repentance or belief without obedience. He said plainly, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15). Grace does not replace this. Grace makes it possible.

Your own argument actually proves the point. You say grace gives room for repentance and forgiveness. Correct. But repentance means turning. Forgiveness without turning is not repentance. Jesus began His preaching with, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand” (Matthew 4:17). Grace that does not lead to repentance is not the grace Jesus preached.

You speak of belief, but belief alone is not enough. Scripture says it directly: “Thou believest that God is one; thou doest well: the demons also believe, and shudder” (James 2:19). Even the devil believes. Belief without obedience does not save. Jesus said, “Why call ye Me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46).

As for the Father’s commandment to believe in the Son, Jesus Himself defined what that belief looks like. “He that heareth My word, and believeth Him that sent Me, hath eternal life” (John 5:24). Hearing His word means receiving it and keeping it. And again, “If a man keep My word, he shall never see death” (John 8:51).

So no, grace does not save apart from transformation. Grace saves by producing repentance, obedience, and a changed life. Anything else is belief without fruit. Jesus already told us how that ends: “Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire” (Matthew 7:19).

That is not law saving. That is Christ judging by His own words.
 
Without the law there would be no reason for grace. We need grace because all have sinned and without it we would also deserve the death penalty. God never lowered the standard of His righteousness (right doing) Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 it is everlasting Psa 119:142 what He did is died for our sins- not a pass to commit future sins, He came to save us from our sins Mat1:21, not in them Heb10:26-30. Jesus loves us too much to leave us in our sinful condition under the control of Satan 1John3:8. The issue is people come to Him and He accepts us as we are which is justification, but sadly many stop there and refuse God to sanctify us which means a complete change from the inside out. We want all the blessings God gives, but not on the condition that God gives them Isa 56:2 Rev22:14 we want His blessings but on ones own terms which is exactly what separated man in the first place Isa 59:2 this whole resistance to the will of God Psa 40:8 Heb8:10 Exo31:18 Deut4:13 is exactly what the devil wants, its the first lie in the garden that deceived our first parents that we can disobey God and live, the exactly opposite of what God said. Sadly, its still working.
 
vassal said:
You presume not knowing me. Undergrace speaks this way , not me, never did never will.
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Im only going by you giving the thumbs down in response to me asking whether righteousness hinges on obeying the TC relating to the inner man
 
vassal said:
i told you before i wont reply to you so stop asking.
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But you previously wrote a post and included me in it as a respondant. It may be more likely you find it difficult to address what is placed before you. Neither could you respond to the following:
OK, lets go with your view, Jesus taught the TC
So, if you refuse to lend to someone without ever expecting anything back you transgress the TC
If you fail to offer someone more than what they stole from you, you transgress the TC
If you invite friends or family home for a meal, rather than the poor, blind, lame and beggars you transgress the TC
If you fail to leap for joy when you are persecuted, you transgress the TC
If you fail to love your enemies, those who may malign, harrass or persecute you, you transgress the TC

I am only going by what you are stating, nothing more
You also state you must obey the TC to be righteous before God
 
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Mem said:
If indeed you have entered into His rest, why are you still working? even on Saturday?
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where do you get this from? you mean I post in Saturdays? is it not good to help people understand the Gospel of Jesus, the Son of God that so many have forgotten and replaced by the doctrines of Men?. Jesus did teach in the synagogue on the sabbath, I do the same but try to do so every day. There is a great need for it.
 
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Mem said:
If indeed you have entered into His rest, why are you still working? even on Saturday?
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I don't think you understand the concept of what this means. Resting in Christ is resting in Him for salvation. Its obeying Him through love and faith, which would include keeping the 4th commandment.

God said to do work and labors on the first day and every day Exo20:9 except the seventh day. Exo20:8 God worked six day and on the seventh day He stopped all His work and did 4 things that He didn't do on any other day.

1. He rested on the seventh day Gen2:1-3 Exo20:11 Heb4:4
2. He blessed the seventh day Gen2:3 Exo20:11
3. He sanctified the seventh day (set apart for holy use) Gen2:3
4. He named the seventh day, called it the Sabbath of the LORD Exo20:10

Man had no part of Creation. They were only told to keep it after God created it. Gen 2:15.

Why are we to worship God?

Rev 4:11 “You are worthy, [a]O Lord,
To receive glory and honor and power;
For You created all things,
And by Your will they [b]exist and were created.”

He is worthy of our worship because He is our Creator. The Sabbath is what brings to remembrance of His power and creative work, everything He did for us without us. Why God told us Remember and keep it Exo20:8

Exo20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Why the Sabbath is a sign between God and man Eze20:12 Eze20:20 it is resting in God's creative power and work. We need it to be refreshed from the toils of this world in Christ.

Exo 31:17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”

The Sabbath is a sign of freedom in Him. We can give up all the stress of the world and just focus on God Isa58:13 and the word refreshed means breath, be restored, so its not legalism to keep the Sabbath, its the opposite, it is resting in Christ for sanctification and renewal.

The God of Creation is the only God we are called to worship. There are many gods in this world and I see why the devil hates God's Sabbath so much, but God gave it as a blessing to delight in Him. Sad so many miss out because they look to what man does that they replaced what God asked us to keep if we love Him Exo20:6

Rev 14:7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

Which points us right back to God's Sabbath commandment. The end time is over who do we worship.

Exo20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The ironic thing is keeping another day holy that God never told us to, that never came with the blessing of our Creator and never came with the sanctification of our Creator, and is not one of His commandments under His mercy seat Exo25:31 Exo20:6 Rev15:5 Rev11:19, is doing ones own work of salvation Isa66:17 instead of resting in God's work Exo32:16 Heb4:4
 
In christianity today there is a lot of preaching what people do not practice. Nothing has changed in 2,000 years sadly
 
vassal said:
where do you get this from? you mean I post in Saturdays? is it not good to help people understand the Gospel of Jesus, the Son of God that so many have forgotten and replaced by the doctrines of Men?. Jesus did teach in the synagogue on the sabbath, I do the same but try to do so every day. There is a great need for it.
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Even to 'make sure' you do or don't do anything requires at least some mental exertion doesn't it. I mean, you have to remember to or remember not to. At what point does this 'come by your nature, if indeed you are a new creation.
 
Jesus often explained that the problem with understanding God’s word is not intelligence, education, or effort. It is the condition of the heart. Some people hear the words of God, yet those words do not enter deeply inside them. This is a spiritual reality that Jesus described with care and compassion.
Jesus said that many see, but do not truly see, and many hear, but do not truly hear. When His disciples asked why He spoke in parables, He answered,

“Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.” (Matthew 13:11–13, KJV)

Jesus then explained that this was not new, but something spoken long before, showing that the issue lies in the heart becoming closed over time.
“For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.” (Matthew 13:15, KJV)
Notice that Jesus does not say God prevents them from understanding. He says their eyes are closed and their ears are dull. This describes a condition that develops when a person resists truth, delays repentance, or protects beliefs they do not want challenged.

Jesus also spoke about this when dealing with religious leaders who knew Scripture well but could not recognize God’s work standing in front of them.
“Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.” (John 8:43, KJV)
Their inability was not about language or knowledge. It was about willingness. Jesus then explained the difference between those who belong to God and those who do not.
“He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.” (John 8:47, KJV)
This is not meant as an insult, but as a spiritual line. Belonging to God means being open to correction, truth, and light, even when it is uncomfortable. When a person resists that light, understanding fades.

Jesus also said that His sheep are able to hear Him, not because they are better, but because they trust Him and follow.
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.” (John 10:27, KJV)
Hearing, in Jesus’ teaching, is never just sound. It means listening with a heart ready to obey. This is why two people can read the same verse and walk away with very different understanding.
Jesus warned that light itself can become darkness if the heart resists it.
“If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!” (Matthew 6:23, KJV)
This happens when Scripture is read only to defend ideas, win arguments, or avoid change. The words are there, but the life is missing.

Still, Jesus always leaves the door open. He invites anyone who is willing to come, listen, and learn.
“If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.” (Mark 4:23, KJV)
It is an invitation. Understanding Scripture is not about being clever. It is about being honest, humble, and willing to be taught. When the heart softens, the words open. When the heart resists, even clear truth can remain hidden.

Jesus taught these things not to condemn, but to heal. He made it clear that when a person truly hears and understands with the heart, healing and change follow.
 
'''''Some people hear the words of God, yet those words do not enter deeply inside them'''''

Absolutely.
What was once written in applicable law is now in the hearts and minds of believers, and that is huge. It isn't a remote/external law, but one in your most inward parts. You cannot be in ignorance of it, you cannot hide from it, it is part of your life as a believer, and it will carry with it huge conviction, far greater than an external law ever will
And anyone who has that in their heart and mind, and in its fulness is going to understand why Paul stated the TC are the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation. And they will assuredly know, sin is sin whether committed outwardly or inwardly.
And anyone who does have all of the above, will know they cannot be righteous by obeying the TC
Only those who do not hear as they should/have the conviction they should will believe that
 
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Undergrace1 said:
Only those who do not hear as they should/have the conviction they should will believe that
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If anyone truly believes that God writes anything on anyone's heart, why would they even attempt to write it there themselves?
 
Mem said:
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'''''Some people hear the words of God, yet those words do not enter deeply inside them'''''



If anyone truly believes that God writes anything on anyone's heart, why would they even attempt to write it there themselves?
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That's what we have been asking. God said He wrote His laws in the hearts and minds of the New Covenant believer, from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10 not what each person 'feels' is right or wrong.
 
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