Please don't accuse me of pushing people away , u don't know me to b able to say that about me.
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What would you say to this fellow human being?
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Well instead of listening to us , falable , foolish humans , may I suggest reading the Bible ? From the beginning to the end . Any help we can give u with that , we certainly will
WWJD is an opinion and the answer for myself.
What better authority to ask than the highest?
Well instead of listening to us , falable , foolish humans , may I suggest reading the Bible ? From the beginning to the end . Any help we can give u with that , we certainly will
Thank you for your kind thoughts. There is only one problem:
The Bible is written by "falable , foolish humans" as you put it.
Well, from what you say it seems probable that the cause was psychological/environmental rather than genetic,
in which case the cure should be proper therapy/counseling.
We ARE of this world and should be salt and light for the world. As Paul wrote in 1Cor. 5:9-13:
"I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person. For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore put away from yourselves the evil person."
I was brought up with some slight religion from my junior school and my grandparents but , also with a very promiscuous mother and I was aware of that from a very young age . I don't believe that homosexuality is a choice . Nothing on earth could make me want to have sex with a woman . I've been tested in this way , I passed , flying colours.
What turns u on is , what turns u on , what turns u off is what turns u offwe don't always know why .
That is why I said:
If the cause is unknown, then scientists should conduct studies until the cause is found/causes are found
(and thus a cure might be found).
if the cause of homosexuality is genetic, then the physical mutation should be corrected if possible,
if the cause is environmental, then the psychological aberration should be treated and corrected as quickly as possible,
and if the cause is due to free choice, then it should be repented of immediately.
The Bible was written by fallible humans, and foolish humans choose to ignore/disregard it.
What better belief is there than the NT?
I wouldn't sit face to face having a conversation about homosexual relations with someone.
But if asked I would say it is a sin for sure. I am not sinless myself, but a sin is a sin.
But if asked I would say it is a sin for sure. I am not sinless myself, but a sin is a sin.
It is God's love through Son that overcame sin, overcame death John 16:33
So, this same love to all, wins. No, debating, no fighting, no arguing with, I am right and you are wrong, which is of the flesh and blood nature period
So, I would continue to love anyone and everyone as Son has done. us all first
John 13:34. God leads and uses vessels to talk to one another in Love and mercy, Thanks
'I am no better than anyone else Romans 2:1-4
Ah yes, the gay topic ... which causes leftists to lose elections because they don't have decency and decorum anymore.
The gay topic is summarized like this: whatever you do in your personal life is between you and God.
But when you try to bring your personal life into my life and want me to accept, approve, endorse and even live according to your life then the answer is a big NO.
This is as simple as disagreeing with someone who likes chocolate and you like vanilla.
In practice ( i have said this before here ) i have a guy wearing a dress at work. I never call him a "she". It's offensive to my senses and an infringement on free speech. But, i always do my best to address his technology issues and he respects that and calls me again because i do the job faster compared to others.
So we have a professional relationship and we leave our personal lives out of it.
Live with decency and receive decency as you've said on your other topic @the_seeker .
The gay topic is summarized like this: whatever you do in your personal life is between you and God.
But when you try to bring your personal life into my life and want me to accept, approve, endorse and even live according to your life then the answer is a big NO.
This is as simple as disagreeing with someone who likes chocolate and you like vanilla.
In practice ( i have said this before here ) i have a guy wearing a dress at work. I never call him a "she". It's offensive to my senses and an infringement on free speech. But, i always do my best to address his technology issues and he respects that and calls me again because i do the job faster compared to others.
So we have a professional relationship and we leave our personal lives out of it.
Live with decency and receive decency as you've said on your other topic @the_seeker .
I wonder if the root at issue in the 'error' of homosexuality is the misappropriation of sex for love. It is natural for most people to engage in sex for self-gratification. And that makes me wonder if homosexuality might qualify as a taking a double portion of self-gratification wherein gluttony might've entered into the formula.
I don't think we should treat any sin different than Jesus' treatment of the woman caught in adultery. While the crowd spotlighted her sin, Jesus shined the light back into the crowd, and they dropped their stones and went away. But he didn't leave the issue there. He turned back to her and asked, 'does anyone condemn you?'
... Well, yeah, technically, the whole crowd 'attempted' to condemn her, but they held not neither 'credibility' (they were hypocrites) nor actual 'authority' to do so. So, she said, "no one Lord" but this time, the light shine on her was not shining so harshly when he said, "Neither do I. Go, and sin no more," but still, there is light showed sin. However, He set her free of the shame of sin that the crowd would've like to pile on her, i.e. 'you're an adulteress with no possibility of redemption so you might as well be dead.' That sort of 'hope' only 'doubles down' on the sinner's propensity to sin even more.
I don't think we should treat any sin different than Jesus' treatment of the woman caught in adultery. While the crowd spotlighted her sin, Jesus shined the light back into the crowd, and they dropped their stones and went away. But he didn't leave the issue there. He turned back to her and asked, 'does anyone condemn you?'
... Well, yeah, technically, the whole crowd 'attempted' to condemn her, but they held not neither 'credibility' (they were hypocrites) nor actual 'authority' to do so. So, she said, "no one Lord" but this time, the light shine on her was not shining so harshly when he said, "Neither do I. Go, and sin no more," but still, there is light showed sin. However, He set her free of the shame of sin that the crowd would've like to pile on her, i.e. 'you're an adulteress with no possibility of redemption so you might as well be dead.' That sort of 'hope' only 'doubles down' on the sinner's propensity to sin even more.
My niece in law has a gay friend. I've met him and had dinner with him. As I said to her, I have nothing to say unless someone asks my opinion directly. He knows through her what I believe. If he were to ask me what I believe I would tell him. Just like I would tell any other unbeliever.
But according to the Bible it isn't the right thing to do. God can forgive if you ask Him to. Then I would explain why it was wrong. But as in the case with the first situation mentioned if these aren't believers, the first issue is you need to accept Christ as your Savior, that's the first most important step.
In a nutshell, the search for love should lead us to Jesus, and we'd find it there with Him, if it weren't for all the misdirection.
Islam is against homosexuality, Judaism, also against homosexuality, Catholics, Seventh Day Adventists, JWs, Mormons, Baptists, many Methodists all of them, against homosexuality. I'm sure there are others I have missed.
Why is it "disrespectful and polarizing, in danger of causing violence" when WE have opinions, but "a deep conviction of what is the truth" when YOU have opinions?
Nobody here has even HINTED at violence or disrespect towards homosexuals or anyone else, yet you used the word "fight" 3 times in defense of your opinions.
I want to believe that you don't mean physical violence, but you have accused us of some outlandish offenses simply for having non-violent personal convictions that YOU asked us to share.
Seems like some would have good reason to be scared of YOU.
Just FYI, you don't know enough about the Bible to really understand what we are telling you. You are demanding specific answers, but Jesus did not have the exact same words for every person He encountered.
If you do become a Christian some day, you would be following HIM, so it is irrelevant what another Christian might say in any given situation. Study the Gospel of John and get to know Jesus better, then perhaps what we are saying will make more sense to you.
I wish you well on your journey and pray that you find peace and truth
