How do we distinguish false Christ & false Prophets according to Our Lord?

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That may be the problem right there. People are listening to seminarys and living in traditions of men, because they don’t know the Truth. They’re happy to be told what to do instead of being like the noble Bereans who tested them for accuracy. People like to follow instead of doing the reading for themselves to see if what was said is Truth.

What does ancient Iran have to do with any of this?

Ancient Iran is just something lurking in the background that virtually everyone in the 1st century Roman empire knew about. If you do not know the relevance, then you are missing context for some passages and context does matter.
 
It's up to the readers whom they believe.
YOU: Romans 7:14 is just intended for literal physical Israel.
JESUS: Romans 7:14 is intended for everyone who want to follow Jesus.

This is about a general struggle with our sin nature, with the devil on your shoulder. "Sin is at the door, and its desire is for you, but you should rule over it." (Gen. 4:7)
 
This is about a general struggle with our sin nature, with the devil on your shoulder. "Sin is at the door, and its desire is for you, but you should rule over it." (Gen. 4:7)

Exactly, you should! However, because we are given a choice, many times we don’t; so we fall.
 
Ancient Iran is just something lurking in the background that virtually everyone in the 1st century Roman empire knew about. If you do not know the relevance, then you are missing context for some passages and context does matter.

Book, chapter plz.

Ik that Abram and Sarai (before God changed their names) came from Ur of the Chaldees in Iraq/ Iran area. So basically the children of Israel mostly had blood ties from this area; of course other mixers soon came in.
 
Even if I tell you, you would likely miss it, you do not seem to know enough. But a few book references for you, Matthew, Acts, Galatians, Ephesians and Revelation. Blood ties have nothing to do with it, try contemporary politics.

And an additional note on some of your heresies according to scripture, some of those "heresies" go all the way back to when the apostles were alive and following them, at least according to ancient records.
 
I trust in God giving us what we need.

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
‭‭II Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬-‭17‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

So I would say…All Scripture. :)
However, I do think some books cater to either Jews or Gentiles, but we should know all of them. If we are not Jews, then Gentile (meaning non-Jews).

Yes, the all scriptures. That is why it is for everybody generation by generation.
God intention is to correct every generation and make them perfect.
Those who humble themselves will be the one to be benefited on this.
Let me post too.
2 TIMOTHY 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
 
Upon what actual evidence do you base this accusation?


It is not an accusation.
It is the truth.
Jesus is the one revealing you through his words and not me.

Read what the Lord Jesus said.
JOHN 8:19
19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Because you can't identify who God the Father is. It means you don't know the real Jesus.
You are covered by the rebuke of Lord Jesus.

You can't tell that you know the real Jesus and yet you can't identify who God the Father is.

So the truth is, your recognition to Jesus is came from a man's understanding only.
 
Tell me, without looking it up: what part of speech is “overcometh”, and what does it mean?


Tell me, without looking it up: what part of speech is “overcometh”, and what does it mean?
Your standard for the chosen of God must be a good speaker.

The Standard of God to his chosen are not a good speaker.
EXODUS 4:10
10 And Moses said unto the Lord, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.

If you lived in the Old Testament, you will not listen to Moses and you will prefer to stay as a slave in Egypt. And that is what I can still see in you.

Likewise, you will not listen to Jeremiah when he shared the truth.
JEREMIAH 1:4-6
4 Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
6 Then said I, Ah, Lord God! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child.

The good speakers in the time of Lord Jesus were the Scribes & Pharisees. And so many Jews were following them.

But good speaker is not matter.
What matter is the truth.

What you are proud of for a good speaker are just foolish in the eyes of God.
1 CORINTHIANS 1:20
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
 
It is not an accusation.
It is the truth.
Jesus is the one revealing you through his words and not me.

Read what the Lord Jesus said.
JOHN 8:19
19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Because you can't identify who God the Father is. It means you don't know the real Jesus.
You are covered by the rebuke of Lord Jesus.

You can't tell that you know the real Jesus and yet you can't identify who God the Father is.

So the truth is, your recognition to Jesus is came from a man's understanding only.
None of that is evidence.
 
Tell me, without looking it up: what part of speech is “overcometh”, and what does it mean?
Your standard for the chosen of God must be a good speaker.

The Standard of God to his chosen are not a good speaker.
EXODUS 4:10
10 And Moses said unto the Lord, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.

If you lived in the Old Testament, you will not listen to Moses and you will prefer to stay as a slave in Egypt. And that is what I can still see in you.

Likewise, you will not listen to Jeremiah when he shared the truth.
JEREMIAH 1:4-6
4 Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
6 Then said I, Ah, Lord God! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child.

The good speakers in the time of Lord Jesus were the Scribes & Pharisees. And so many Jews were following them.

But good speaker is not matter.
What matter is the truth.

What you are proud of for a good speaker are just foolish in the eyes of God.
1 CORINTHIANS 1:20
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
None of that answers the question.
 
Oh yes, I do trust the written word recorded in the Bible. I do not trust the traditions of humanity as to how to interpret it. Just in this forum there are many debates about exactly what is meant by one specific passage or another, and you are involved in many such debates with many different people. How can you be certain that YOUR specific understanding is correct and everyone else is wrong, especially when so many claim guidance by the Holy Spirit?

First off, I never said EVERYONE is wrong (?)
 
Even if I tell you, you would likely miss it, you do not seem to know enough. But a few book references for you, Matthew, Acts, Galatians, Ephesians and Revelation. Blood ties have nothing to do with it, try contemporary politics.

And an additional note on some of your heresies according to scripture, some of those "heresies" go all the way back to when the apostles were alive and following them, at least according to ancient records.

Ditto
 
First off, I never said EVERYONE is wrong (?)

When you push your specific understandings of scripture as absolutely correct, you are by implication saying anyone who differs with you is incorrect/wrong. Since it is virtually impossible for everyone to agree with you on all your positions, you are implying that you are the only one who has it all correct.

One huge point where we seem to differ is that I assume that the member of the earliest church, and that includes all the apostles, were aware of and reacted to the social and political realities of their day. Paul even claims that this was so in some of his letters, and since you want precision, Peter in Antioch where he was willing to eat with gentiles until some other believers from Jerusalem showed up and disapproved. Now you do have some supporters who do not believe that current political events influenced Paul's Letter to the Ephesians, the apparent parallels are pure coincidence, not actual, but I also have a lot of supporters who think my argument that then current politics did influence the letter, dating it rather precisely, ensuring that it is Pauline and making some other unpleasant implications that become very hard to reject.
 
An understandable stance, but it also means that by not bothering to learn some things that you are at the mercy of tradition which just might have chosen to bury some points. Answers are possible to find, and are capable of changing your understanding if you find the answers, but choosing not to look is your choice, as is deciding whether or not to partake of the Lord's Supper and on what day it is appropriate.'

Of course we should look to Scripture for answers, examples, and patterns. As I said before, some of those beliefs/ doctrines go counter to Scripture, based on specific verses and examples; which means they’re heretic. This has nothing to do with traditions.
 
When you push your specific understandings of scripture as absolutely correct, you are by implication saying anyone who differs with you is incorrect/wrong. Since it is virtually impossible for everyone to agree with you on all your positions, you are implying that you are the only one who has it all correct.

One huge point where we seem to differ is that I assume that the member of the earliest church, and that includes all the apostles, were aware of and reacted to the social and political realities of their day. Paul even claims that this was so in some of his letters, and since you want precision, Peter in Antioch where he was willing to eat with gentiles until some other believers from Jerusalem showed up and disapproved. Now you do have some supporters who do not believe that current political events influenced Paul's Letter to the Ephesians, the apparent parallels are pure coincidence, not actual, but I also have a lot of supporters who think my argument that then current politics did influence the letter, dating it rather precisely, ensuring that it is Pauline and making some other unpleasant implications that become very hard to reject.

You really do make a lot of assumptions.
I’m sorry if you feel offended by my stance!

I can’t change what I’m reading, the verses speak for themselves. I’m sorry if your whole core belief is something the Bible speaks counter to. You can ask God to help you better understand His Truth more clearly,….
Blessings!
 
You really do make a lot of assumptions.
I’m sorry if you feel offended by my stance!

I can’t change what I’m reading, the verses speak for themselves. I’m sorry if your whole core belief is something the Bible speaks counter to. You can ask God to help you better understand His Truth more clearly,….
Blessings!

I just find that when I have to totally contradicting points that I must be extremely careful as to which one I support. Thus, I examine both of them carefully. When one depends totally on a presupposition that is in turn based on a vague premise I get very leery of that one.

Now your assurance that the Bible is true seems based on two assumptions, one that it is God's word, but against that the Bible itself claims that Jesus is God's word and that the Bible contains the words of men. But you say, 2 Timothy 3:16 supports the truth of scripture. Well, that depends on exactly what Paul meant, and no one is certain what the original Greek means. It is clear that it means something along the lines of "God breathed", God spirited" "God inspired" but likely not "God dictated". The first three understandings allow for error to creep into scripture, especially though inadequate translations by mere humans. And once again, the Bible points out in many places where humans got things wrong, I noted already the incident with Peter and Paul and there are other accounts in Acts, which is admittedly a work with lots of hearsay, evidence that is not admissible in court.

I think I will stick with evidence I could use in court, but if you trust your own interpretation that much, knowing that matter what source you claim you cannot prove your source (how do you prove the Holy Spirit led you to the proper interpretation when so many find different, conflicting interpretations they also consider inspired by the Holy Spirit). There is absolutely no objective means by which to prove that the Holy Spirit spoke to you as opposed to a lying spirit that knows the scriptures well enough to put in just enough of a twist to distort the message.

And bear in mind, you do not know my logic and evidence, you merely might know a very few of my positions, but not their full support, likely not even very much of their support.
 
I just find that when I have to totally contradicting points that I must be extremely careful as to which one I support. Thus, I examine both of them carefully. When one depends totally on a presupposition that is in turn based on a vague premise I get very leery of that one.

Now your assurance that the Bible is true seems based on two assumptions, one that it is God's word, but against that the Bible itself claims that Jesus is God's word and that the Bible contains the words of men. But you say, 2 Timothy 3:16 supports the truth of scripture. Well, that depends on exactly what Paul meant, and no one is certain what the original Greek means. It is clear that it means something along the lines of "God breathed", God spirited" "God inspired" but likely not "God dictated". The first three understandings allow for error to creep into scripture, especially though inadequate translations by mere humans. And once again, the Bible points out in many places where humans got things wrong, I noted already the incident with Peter and Paul and there are other accounts in Acts, which is admittedly a work with lots of hearsay, evidence that is not admissible in court.

I think I will stick with evidence I could use in court, but if you trust your own interpretation that much, knowing that matter what source you claim you cannot prove your source (how do you prove the Holy Spirit led you to the proper interpretation when so many find different, conflicting interpretations they also consider inspired by the Holy Spirit). There is absolutely no objective means by which to prove that the Holy Spirit spoke to you as opposed to a lying spirit that knows the scriptures well enough to put in just enough of a twist to distort the message.

And bear in mind, you do not know my logic and evidence, you merely might know a very few of my positions, but not their full support, likely not even very much of their support.

Believing in God is based on faith, although the Bible clearly states that all things were created by Him in heaven and on this planet, and that He filled them with life.

There should be an innate feeling that creation knows its Creator. I believe it takes more energy to not believe, than to believe in Him. There are verses about this, maybe in Job, not sure at the moment?

You talk about the Spirit talking to you, I believe He talks to us when we are reading His words. How do we know that what He says to us is true? Because it’s in the word as proof. If something other than His Spirit tells you something, verify it in His word, otherwise don’t listen, because it’s not from God on High.
Blessings!
 
None of that answers the question.

Being a fluent ing English with 100% grammar correct and a good speaker in all languages will only End in the Cemetry.

Being in the truth although you are not a good speaker will Attain Eternal life.
 
None of that is evidence.

You can ignore the truth but you can't deny it. As the disciples in John 6:66 did.

The evidence is here but you don't want to accept.
It takes humbleness to accept the truth.

And for those who don't want to accept although it is already given.
As God the Father said.
PROVERBS 28:27
27 He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack: but he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse.