Refuting the Calvinist’s Denial of Free Will
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So you're saying it's none of our fault if the seed planted in our heart doesn'turn out well or dies? We have to accept the condition of our soil and do nothing about it? *Sigh....* I'm just going to listen to God....
No that isn't what I am saying what I am saying is that the condition of the heart or soil in this case was the deciding factor in which the seed planted would prosper.So you're saying it's none of our fault if the seed planted in our heart doesn'turn out well or dies? We have to accept the condition of our soil and do nothing about it? *Sigh....* I'm just going to listen to God....
We ourselves as the soil must be ready and able to recieve otherwise it falls on soil and sprouts quickly but soon shrivels up
We don't decide what kind of soil we are because God is the one who knows whether or not the heart is able to recieve but we ourselves do not decide this otherwise we could simpl choose salvation of our own decision and this is not the case in reality because God has to draw us or plant the seed first
Then depending on the condition of the heart we may recieve it or not
Imm ok no idea why it is such an issue for you but if you cannot have a decent discussion then that is on youSorry, I'm no longer listening - I'm not interested in this topic anymore.
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I was thinking about it before posting it, but I stand behind my words. Go through his history of posts, he never contributes anything, absolute waste of space on this forum. He never refutes any arguments, never presents any arguments, never interacts with anything or anyone. Complete trolling or passive aggressive snarky sarcastic remarks. Now THAT is non-Christian behavior.
There’s a big difference between calling his comments or behavior worthless and calling him worthless. He, no matter if he’s trolling or not, is worth Christ giving His life. Neither you or I are worth any more or any less than him. Now as for his contributing wealth of his posts, I’d probably agree with you.
I wish I could figure out why the discussion of reformed doctrine sends some people almost immediately into personal attacks. Instead of misrepresenting what we believe, people could be more open to try to understand.
I'm happy to have discussions with anyone that doesn't constantly misrepresent what I believe even after being corrected, but I see no point in having a regular discussion with those who continue. I do however think that they need to be called out for it, and if that eventually ends up with snark or parody, well, I'll cop to that. In fact, there was one thread that I got too deep into that and mostly stopped commenting after ignoring some so as not to get dragged into it again.
If that makes me "worthless", well you're entitled to your opinion. I'm not offended by it. Grace and Peace.
He doesn't grow though.
Jesus gave us a visual example of what He does to unfruitful people when He cursed the fig tree that was barren.
You've only been here since November 2025, but others have known him from how he is in his many vacuious posts since 2023.
I don't hate him - he can be funny at times - but I admit most of his posts are unhelpful and understand why @Hakawaka would be fed up with his useless posts.
Jesus did curse that unfruitful fig tree to llustrate to His disciples what He will do to Christians who don't grow and mature in Him.
Yes, we have value because God made us in His image, but He expects growth and bearing good fruit - something good to impart in our posts to inform, to exhort, and warn others in the case of these forums.
And well....he really hasn't done that in most of his posts. And his last post shows he really hasn't learned anything from @Hakawaka .
There’s an ignore button if one doesn’t want to see his posts or one could simply not read them. And I hope you’re not trying to use Jesus cursing a tree as an excuse to hate those that don’t bear fruit or aren’t growing as you think they should be.He doesn't grow though.
Jesus gave us a visual example of what He does to unfruitful people when He cursed the fig tree that was barren.
You've only been here since November 2025, but others have known him from how he is in his many vacuious posts since 2023.
I don't hate him - he can be funny at times - but I admit most of his posts are unhelpful and understand why @Hakawaka would be fed up with his useless posts.
Jesus did curse that unfruitful fig tree to llustrate to His disciples what He will do to Christians who don't grow and mature in Him.
Yes, we have value because God made us in His image, but He expects growth and bearing good fruit - something good to impart in our posts to inform, to exhort, and warn others in the case of these forums.
And well....he really hasn't done that in most of his posts. And his last post shows he really hasn't learned anything from @Hakawaka .
It's a great feature. I've used it on many... ;-)
Also, it would be polite to tag me when talking about me so as not to talk behind my back.
I'm not using Jesus to hate people, but if he really does say he follows Jesus, he should be growing and maturing in Christ, not constantly posting snarky remarks since 2023. Are you or he not mindful that Jesus is really among us? You both act like He's not.
You claim it is hate to tell people what Jesus will do to people who refuse to bear fruit, but it is actually love. We're to warn and exhort each other to grow in Christ, not tell people it's okay to remain fruitless and let them face the bad consequences of their fruitlessness. THAT is hate, not love for the brethren.
I simply said that calling someone worthless was not Christian and yes I consider it quite hateful to do so. You replied with the story of Jesus cursing the fig tree as if it was an excuse for us to curse others. I’ve never said that we shouldn’t correct others or attempt to show them their errors.I'm not using Jesus to hate people, but if he really does say he follows Jesus, he should be growing and maturing in Christ, not constantly posting snarky remarks since 2023. Are you or he not mindful that Jesus is really among us? You both act like He's not.
You claim it is hate to tell people what Jesus will do to people who refuse to bear fruit, but it is actually love. We're to warn and exhort each other to grow in Christ, not tell people it's okay to remain fruitless and let them face the bad consequences of their fruitlessness. THAT is hate, not love for the brethren.
With any debate it's important to define some key terms, one being: What is free will? Because this saying is defined differently depending on if you are a Calvinist or an Arminian, which in turn has led to a lot of misunderstanding in this discussion.
Is that how you really think?
I never said that we should curse others, but to remind that Jesus has the power to do so. His curses are the worst - that's why it is love to warn fruitless brother and sisters in Christ.
Would you rather they be under a curse ànd suffer discipline or to grow mature in Christ like He wants?
People need to always remember that Jesus is among us, what He can do, and what He expects of us. He's not just our Savior, but our Lord too.
John Calvin was a mere man who twisted God's word to place all the blamre on God for not saving everone.
Stay away from Calvin's false doctrine. On judgment day, you won't be able to present Calvin's false doctrine to God as a case for anyone not saved.
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