Understanding apologetics
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Here's a bit from the council of trent:
CCC 2068, “The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 the Second Vatican Council confirms: “The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the(Ten) Commandments.”
2069: To transgress one commandment is to infringe all the others.
They are still in use today. the catechisms of the Church have often expounded Christian morality by following the order of the Ten Commandments.
taking peoples concerning beliefs on board whom you don't know, is at best showing them benefit, and being listening, but you can't fully concern yourself in something unless there is an interest between the two, since our very faith is About God, and us, but it's also about what God can do for you, so it may be at first it's about What God can do for you, more than What God can do for others, but at the same time if it is, it shouldn't mean you cant become part of God's word, that what he does for you he can do for others, by what ever means.
Bur at first his word should be about what God can do for you, and then what you can do for God.
It's really as simple as that.
Getting into not caring what others say, really doesn't even have to come into, and can be ignored when you feel like going that way.
Speaking of self absolution how can such thing even exist ?
Well I would say shouldn't you be allowed to forgive others in your own ?
Is that a form of self absolution
Jordan, self-absolution is as simple as decreeing that you KNOW, that God has absolved you because you said the "magic words" as opposed to actually repenting.
My forgiving others shas nothing to do with my personal forgiveness, there are many who claim to be forgiven who refuse to forgive others which would contradict that,
What God has done is to promise to accept us home and to make certain that when we come home, see that we are cleansed of all taint of sin. All that anyone can do for God is to do the best possible to both love God with our entire being and to love all others in the same way, which includes not deciding who God loves and accepts and who is not loved and accepted by God. Or in other words, to treat ALL others as we would wish to be treated (good luck with that while we are still physical).
My forgiving others shas nothing to do with my personal forgiveness, there are many who claim to be forgiven who refuse to forgive others which would contradict that,
What God has done is to promise to accept us home and to make certain that when we come home, see that we are cleansed of all taint of sin. All that anyone can do for God is to do the best possible to both love God with our entire being and to love all others in the same way, which includes not deciding who God loves and accepts and who is not loved and accepted by God. Or in other words, to treat ALL others as we would wish to be treated (good luck with that while we are still physical).
I'm not sure you understood, when a Catholic is forgiven they receive absolution, so I'm saying well if I a can give a person absolution, why can't i receive absolution ?
Without losing grace first as in affecting the level the of my sanctification.
When the priest announces that a person's sins are forgiven, it is not the priest forgiving the sins but merely the priest recognizing that God has forgiven.
Anyone is capable of receiving absolution, but absolution may be claimed independently of God's granting it. I know of many people claiming things as true, based on their wishes, that just are not true, but boy do they ger upset if you challenge them on their claims.
I understand that but, it goes a lot further than that, I've already made a point of what you've wrote here, whats at question is how there made to believe they can't have complete assurance of there salvation.
And how where all spoke to disrespectfully because of there doctrines
One can CLAIM that they have salvation, but I would argue that the only way to be certain is to have arrived in heaven after death. Anything approaching assurance before that is based on faith, and faith can be misdirected.
Some people even differ with what appears to be the position of scripture as to what city is meant when it is called the "great Babylon". It appears to me and many other scholars that scripture is referencing Jerusalem yet some people claim it is Rome.
I'm not sure,
whether its rome or not, may I ask are are you unsure whether where Justified by faith alone
Is having faith a work? And if faith is a result of grace, then how is justification limited to believers unless grace is not made available to all?
There are many pitfalls in declaring doctrine in firm statements.
so your unsure then, no probs,
Many are, I've come to decision it's not a salvation issue in itself tho I feal it could be a hindrance.
I wouldn't be surprised actually, if the person , whom this whole discussion really started to strike at my heart with, who is a Catholic here, is actually really only questioning everything because he feals something isn't right.
Have a look at this genuine Catholic here closely and see if you can you spot where he feels something isn't right in what he's believing whilst he saying it. and say the exact minute and second you feal he's not sure he beliefs in what he's saying, as I know that look, but I wonder do you. ?
41 secs to 50 secs, you have to be careful you dint miss it, it's just a split second right after he says receive absolution
Well the actual issue is not how you consider an act of faith, but how you understand God's desire to be reconciled with all of creation. Those who claim that unless someone responds with faith to God's offer of salvation must also deal with Isaiah 55:11"so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it. " God's will is reconciliation, God's word was sent to accomplish reconciliation, how can any human stand against such and ultimately refuse reconciliation? Yet many claim the very human act of not responding in faith prevents God's word from completing its task. That a human action a human refusal to act in faith, can block God. Do you really want to say that?
I understand that I simply have a living hope with me that I'm never going to be miss treated by that living hope, when I stumble
and I understand that living hope grows in me more not other way round, after the living hope re-assures me after I've been fretting
It's was just a reminder really the simple core tenet of my faith is a silent time in hope, that hope just grows as I have that quiet time each, quite often when everything is just quite quiet, but do I find myself holding onto that resource all day afterwards and all night, but it's enough to sustain me to, it's almost like I'm constantly having an outer body experience.
he rains on the just and the unjust, so his word goes out to all in some way, and Isaiah 55:11 do we deal that in a prophecy way, to a state of permanent Judgment in a saved person or a turning point for the just and the unjust. But those turning points being in some way the same but perhaps different, or maybe we see his word always gets his way in the saved even if your choice is delayed
We love God because he first love us.
That's is written word.
But here for Catholics it's we can not love God unless we do this
Again I'm posting this on the concerns of a worried Catholic.