The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[TMS]

I don't care how much you wave the legalist flag, you can't get around the truth of scripture. The 10 commandments are obsolete. They are the shadow and Christ is the reality.

Christ is the reality. And Christ obeyed all 10 of the commandments..
As our standard and example we should obey them too.
The 10 are not obsolete.. murder, stealing, lying, taking the name of God in vain, are all laws we need to obey today.

Satan wants lawlessness..the flesh hates the law..

I'm not a legalist, I'm someone that delights in the laws of God.

Like Paul and David..
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Psa 119:92 Unless thy law had been my delights, I should then have perished in mine affliction.

 

[TMS]

Which is why He was the propriation for our sins. You, on the other hand, are all about the traditions of men and would rather please them than God. Says so in scripture.

Which traditions do I keep that makes the law void?

 

[TMS]

Moves where? By the way, there should be day of rest. People need a break from work. However, that day is not important. Just after I was saved, I worked 16 hours a day, 3 weeks straight. I was totally exhausted at the end. The military does not observe the sabbath on any day.

Moves are being made to legislate Sunday rest. Christian nationalists are really pushing these things. It out there a lot more then t you think.

Keep an eye on it

If the day comes and you needed to choose between the 7th day sabbath and 1st day sabbath, which would you choose? Man's day or God's day.
The day God made holy or the day man introduced.

You said it is not important, because the law is nothing for you.

But that is your free choice..
The way we worship God should not be forced. This is the liberty we should all have. God does not force us to do anything.

Freedom of liberty to worship God as I please. Sunday observance is taking away that liberty.

You might think this isn't going to happen and never will, but I just ask that you watch and see.. time will tell..

 

[TMS]

Did you catch that part of your copy-and-paste where it says Jesus is Lord? That means you're to acknowledge His authority over you making obedience to Him part of salvation.

Jesus must be both Lord, and Savior for salvation, not just Savior.

And Pinebeach seems to not realize that salvation is not just JUSTIFICATION.
Jesus came to save us from sin...

By forgiving our past sins
By empowering us to overcome sin
By restoring us to the kingdom of heaven

Overcoming sin is achieved by faith in Jesus and by us letting Him do His will.

Not my will but they will be done Lord.

Sanctification is also important and I don't think Pinebeach understands how sanctification, or being set free from the chains of sin works.

 

[TMS]

We should still keep the Sabbath holy as God had written in our hearts, but now we can make any day a Sabbath unto Him abd keep it holy, not just Saturday.

Where does the word clearly state that we can keep any day.

The one day that was made holy was the 7th and nothing in the whole Bible states a change was made.

 

[Gideon300]

Moves are being made to legislate Sunday rest. Christian nationalists are really pushing these things. It out there a lot more then t you think.

Keep an eye on it

If the day comes and you needed to choose between the 7th day sabbath and 1st day sabbath, which would you choose? Man's day or God's day.
The day God made holy or the day man introduced.

You said it is not important, because the law is nothing for you.

But that is your free choice..
The way we worship God should not be forced. This is the liberty we should all have. God does not force us to do anything.

Freedom of liberty to worship God as I please. Sunday observance is taking away that liberty.

You might think this isn't going to happen and never will, but I just ask that you watch and see.. time will tell..

I believe it far more likely that the world will force the church underground. That is happening in China yet again.

You seem to forget that the last thing that Jesus did before His death was introduce the New Covenant. It's not that the Law is nothing. It's that the Law did its job and brought me to Christ. I now live by the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. Feel free to live in the shadows. I'll live in the Light.

 

[Gideon300]

Christ is the reality. And Christ obeyed all 10 of the commandments..
As our standard and example we should obey them too.
The 10 are not obsolete.. murder, stealing, lying, taking the name of God in vain, are all laws we need to obey today.

Satan wants lawlessness..the flesh hates the law..

I'm not a legalist, I'm someone that delights in the laws of God.

Like Paul and David..
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Psa 119:92 Unless thy law had been my delights, I should then have perished in mine affliction.

Read the rest of Paul's treatise regarding the law. He sees it like a dead body hanging on him that he cannot remove. It was a rare punishment for murder. The offender's victim would be chained to the offender. Paul says that we are delivered through Christ. The "dead body" is the Law.
Galatians 2:19 (Amplified)
"For through the Law I died to the Law and its demands on me [because salvation is provided through the death and resurrection of Christ], so that I might [from now on] live to God.

Or Berean:
"For through the law I died to the law so that I might live to God."

And to keep the KJV fans happy, "For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God."

Romans 7:4
Therefore, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God.

The law has no jurisdiction over a dead person. I died and my life is hidden with Christ in God. Something the legalists need to know: you have to die before you can be raised from the dead. I know my co-death with Christ on the cross. I know that I am raised again with Him.

 

[TMS]

You have a misguided faith that trusts in your best efforts to obey the ten commandments as the means of your salvation instead of trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means your salvation. (Acts 15:7-9; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 1 Corinthians 1:18-21; 15:1-4)

I don't know how many times I have stated that,... righteousness is by faith,
We can not buy salvation because eternal life is not something we can purchase with anything, not even the all the world or a lifetime of obedience.
One sin is all it costs and death is our sentence.

So eternal life is only by faith in Jesus Christ.

But grace and faith in salvation is not an EXCUSE TO SIN.

Love leads us to obey, it is a delight because you love the Lord. Not a burden.

So again I try to help you understand the motive..

Those that love Jesus will be rewarded.. and love is not shown in disobedience.

 

[TMS]

Carry each others burdens(love them) and so FULFILL the law of Christ Gal6:2
Jesus commands in the gospels are mainly examples of loving others, hence Paul's statement. You need to have love for others, by this will all men know you are Christ's disciple

Rom 13:9-10 KJV 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

[TMS]

Right? Especially when Jesus went through so much trouble to save them. Talk about ungrateful.

Jesus perfectly obeyed the law to live a righteous life without any sin..

Are we being ungrateful by following His example and dying to our selfish desires to sin, So that the promised Holy Spirit can work in us to overcome.

By surrendering self to Jesus and letting Him control us is not being ungrateful.

By thinking We CAN CONTINUE IN SIN that His grace may abound is what I call ungrateful..

 

[TMS]

Go on then, in relation to what Paul wrote, which you have to ignore, I would not have known by instinct, if I had never read of biblical law, I should set aside a set saturday sabbath, therefore, according to what Paul wrote, that law as written was never placed in my heart

But it isn't just Paul

All scripture tells us the full story.

You can pick and choose but that is not the complete truth..

2Ti 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

All scripture is clear about the Holy Sabbath day. So according to the whole Bible my conscience tells me clearly to remember the Sabbath.

 

[TMS]

Again, nothing in the text says that these were “initial” guidelines. In contrast, the text states,

“For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15‬:‭28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Because the text does not mention murdering and many of the 10 commandments, because it does not say to not take the Lords name in vain, does that mean the there was not obligation to keep that commandment?. ?

Some times the laws are so obvious that they needed no mention..

 

[TMS]

That does not follow. You might think it's logical, but it isn't. His word provides us enough information for us to determine what good works are.

Only God is GOOD..
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

And right and wrong is only determined by God.
We can't determine right and wrong....
The devil tried to trick Eve.
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Many are still overcome, they doubt and argue concerning the requirements of God; and instead of obeying the divine commands, they accept human theories. These theories are a disguise to trick us into following the devices of Satan. "you can follow yor own thinking, be your own boss, knowing good and evil.".... is devilish.

 

[Undergrace1]

But it isn't just Paul

All scripture tells us the full story.

You can pick and choose but that is not the complete truth..

2Ti 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

All scripture is clear about the Holy Sabbath day. So according to the whole Bible my conscience tells me clearly to remember the Sabbath.

The gulf between us is too great. You still have an external law, under the new covenant is in an internal law.
You still relate righteousness, in effect under the new covenant to obeying the law Paul insists we must die to to be righteous before God. You cannot die to righteousness of obeying that law if you insist it must be obeyed to remain righteous before God, not possible.
Both of the above are old covenant, therefore, you have an old covenant style religion
The old covenant could be understood without the indwelling Holy Spirit guiding you into truth.
And as Paul says you either follow after the law or the Holy Spirit. As I told you before, you backed the wrong horse so to speak

 

[Undergrace1]

Moves are being made to legislate Sunday rest. Christian nationalists are really pushing these things. It out there a lot more then t you think.

Keep an eye on it

If the day comes and you needed to choose between the 7th day sabbath and 1st day sabbath, which would you choose? Man's day or God's day.
The day God made holy or the day man introduced.

You said it is not important, because the law is nothing for you.

But that is your free choice..
The way we worship God should not be forced. This is the liberty we should all have. God does not force us to do anything.

Freedom of liberty to worship God as I please. Sunday observance is taking away that liberty.

You might think this isn't going to happen and never will, but I just ask that you watch and see.. time will tell..

It is a pity, in order to follow your denominational narrative you cannot see what is happening in the world. Which countries do you think will enforce Sunday worship?
In the UK it is estimated within forty years it will become a muslim country, France, in less than that. In truth, the governments of these countries bend over backwards now to accomodate muslims, they are afraid not to. The idea muslims will be forced to follow a set Sunday sabbath is absurd. There's is the fastest growing religion in the world, and the fastest growing religion in many countries that have always been considered christian
Will the US enforce it? The Jewish lobby in the US is a powerful lobby, the parties want onside in their elections.
And in Europe, christian ideals are on the wane, Christianity is not the force it once was. They have passed laws in my country to allow the big supermarkets to open on Sundays for example.
Jesus said a time would come when people would kill believers, thinking they were doing God a service in the process. Who is doing that?

 

[TMS]

Very simple. It's not New Testament covenant. Acts 15. Read it and repent. Read Galatians and repent. Read Colossians and repent.

At what point was the new covenant set up? When did it start?

If you say it started at the cross, which is when i believe it did. When was the changes and covenant formed or written?
At what point did all the changes get set up. When did the new covenant become known to the people?

A covenant or testament or contract is only legal after the death of the testator.. by blood it is active,,
The new covenant officially began at the death of Jesus Christ, as a testament or will only becomes of force once the testator has died.
— Hebrews 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator lives.

A will can not be changed after someone dies and the covenant can not be changed once it was ratified and sealed by Christ's blood on the cross.
My point is that you can make up the new testament as you go.. the covenant was set before the death of Christ. no changes after the death, and the changes need to be seen before the death. once it is sealed, it is sealed.

Although it is called "new" because it was ratified by Christ's actual death, the new covenant is also the "everlasting covenant" that existed from the beginning of human history. Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
It was first promised in Eden after the fall of man and was later pledged to figures like Noah and Abraham.
Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; it shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel. Genesis 9:9-17 Genesis 17:2-7.
A Continuous Gospel -- Because forgiveness for those under the first covenant could only truly come through the blood of Christ, the second covenant essentially existed even before the first was established at Saini..

The central purpose of this covenant, starting from its inception, is the restoration of the image of God in man by writing His law directly upon the heart and mind Jeremiah 31:33 . This internal transformation ensures a perfect agreement between God and His people, leading to a life of holy obedience through the blood of the Lamb Hebrews 8:10.

 

[TMS]

A trademark of those who insist you must obey the TC are pat statements Im afraid. Im kind of an expert, I grew up with this!
When people say you must obey the TC what they really mean is, you must obey outwardly. How do I know?
Because when I was young, I in reality tried to obey the law/TC to show righteousness before God. And I got crushed, not because I was committing adultery, stealing, murdering or taking the Lord's name in vain but because of what went on, on the inside of me as a young teenager. I read of someone who too in effect tried to show righteousness as a believer by obeying the law/TC/not committing sin, people thought they were weird as they were constantly muttering to God asking him to forgive them for every imperfection.
Now if you and others truly held the TC to the level they are set at, you would much be on your knees asking for forgiveness for wrong thoughts you cannot control!
And so, Paul gave this as the reason he had to die to the law/righteousness of obeying it, for he had the conviction of sin Im afraid people in your denomination do not have
I was literally, shocked, stunned and appalled to see two women in the church on a Saturday laughing and joking as they transgressed one of the TC they insisted must be obeyed, and they were by no means the only ones doing it. Why? because they did not have consciousness they should have had where obedience to those commands are concerned
It is easy to say you must obey the TC if you much of the time have no consciousness of sin when you transgress them, and only relate those laws to outward obedience. And it is easy to make the pat statements you have to me, if you only follow in effect a watered down version of the TC.
The law within will always convict of sin to a far greater degree than an external law ever will. Hence those who look to an external law, do not understand what those do, who have an internal law that convicts them of the full standard required to obey the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation
By the way, Jesus referred to the pharisees as blind pharisees, for only seeking to clean the outside of the cup. Those who do not relate the TC to what goes on, on the inside of man do the same!

internal external, it is all part of the process. God restoring His image in us. Jesus came to save us FROM sin.
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Psa_32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Jesus longs to restore His Image in us. it is possible.

 

[Dino246]

Because the text does not mention murdering and many of the 10 commandments, because it does not say to not take the Lords name in vain, does that mean the there was not obligation to keep that commandment?. ?

Some times the laws are so obvious that they needed no mention..

That is another argument from silence and therefore invalid.

 

[mailmandan]

I don't know how many times I have stated that,... righteousness is by faith,

By faith in Jesus Christ ALONE and NOT by faith AND works. (Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 11:6; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9)

We cannot buy salvation because eternal life is not something we can purchase with anything, not even the all the world or a lifetime of obedience.
One sin is all it costs and death is our sentence.

Who said anything about buying salvation? Yet numerous folks still teach salvation by faith AND WORKS.

So eternal life is only by faith in Jesus Christ.

Yes, by faith in Jesus Christ ALONE. (Ephesians 2:8,9)

But grace and faith in salvation is not an EXCUSE TO SIN

Who said it was? Is not resting on Saturday a sin for NT Christians? If breaking the sabbath was punishable by death in the Old Testament (Exodus 31:14 & 35:2), why is it not condemned in the New Testament? Various passages in the New Testament list numerous types of sinners who will not inherit the kingdom (see 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21, 1 Timothy 1:9-10, and Revelation 21:8 & 22:15), but none of those lists ever mention sabbath-breaking. Why is that?

Love leads us to obey, it is a delight because you love the Lord. Not a burden.

Love does lead to obey, and obedience is not forced or legalistic for those who are born of God. (1 John 3:7-10)

So again I try to help you understand the motive..

I understand the motive.

Those that love Jesus will be rewarded.. and love is not shown in disobedience.

Who said otherwise?

 

[mailmandan]

If you follow him then you obey the 10 commandments that he taught during his ministry the way he explained with mercy and love and not like the pharisees who made it a burden, do you agree?

Have you perfectly obeyed the 10 commandments?