The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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The 10 commandments have not changed they are written on the heart in the new.

They are all in the new Testament.
Jesus was the prophet that Moses prophesied would come. He preached to Israel, not to the Gentile nations. He taught, healed and prophesied as a minister of the Old Covenant.

Even then, He showed mercy and grace and not enforcement of the Law. The adulterous woman should have been stoned. Jesus refused to condemn her.

There is now no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus. You ignore everything that comes after the birth of the church on the day of Pentecost. You ignore the fact that the New Covenant was made in the precious blood of Christ, as He bled and died on the cross.

I don't care how much you wave the legalist flag, you can't get around the truth of scripture. The 10 commandments are obsolete. They are the shadow and Christ is the reality.
 
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Miller was a false prophet in that he wrongly foretold the return of Christ. The Adventist cult is based on a false prophecy. In law, this is known as poisonous roots. I feel sorry for those who are caught up in the cult. You do not know the wonderful joy of being a new creation in Christ.

SDA came out of the Burned Over District that produced other aberrant cults like the Mormons and Shakers.
 
Adventists have come up with their own version of Christianity. It denies the truth that there is a new covenant. It denies the truth that the Law was for Israel, not the gentiles and that grace and truth came through Jesus. Adventist teaching is no better than that of the Judaisers that Paul condemned. Adventists replace circumcision, which predates the Law, with Sabbath keeping. The spirit is the same, divisive, based on religious pride and determined to shackle believers with legalistic chains.

Miller was a false prophet in that he wrongly foretold the return of Christ. The Adventist cult is based on a false prophecy. In law, this is known as poisonous roots. I feel sorry for those who are caught up in the cult. You do not know the wonderful joy of being a new creation in Christ.

Galatians 5:1
"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not be encumbered once more by a yoke of slavery."

In context, this refers to bondage to the law. I live by a new law, the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. That is because I am a new creation. I died to the law (Galatians 2:19). No one charges a dead man with an offence. The law has no hold on me because I'm crucified with Christ and raised again to new life.
Miller was a Baptist minister not SDA

Jesus was called all kinds of names too and those who professed to be of God killed God's only Son and got things so wrong. I would consider leaving the judging to God. God will sort this out soon enough.

These kinds of names is what we were told would happen who want to keep God's commandments Rev 12:17 so thanks for the blessings. Mat5:11 :)
 
Jesus was called all kinds of names too and those who professed to be of God killed God's only Son and got things so wrong. I

These kinds of names is what we were told would happen who want to keep God's commandments Rev 12:17 so thanks for the blessings. Mat5:11:)
We can elaborate on that. The people who persecuted Christ were the religious, who went strictly by the letter of certain scriptures. And, in doing so they insisted the people fully obey the law, so of course, that would include the TC. They gave the impression they themselves fully obeyed it, but we know that is not true, they only cleaned the outside of the cup as Jesus told them. And so:

The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach Matt23:2&3
Many today will tell you ''you must obey the TC,' but its a strange thing, Ive never heard anyone who states that go on to admit they themselves transgress that law. So basically they are insisting of others what they do not insist of themselves. And, do those who do insist those laws should be obeyed, relate them to obedience on the inside also, or, are they only seeking to clean the outside of the cup?
Jesus said the people who did that were blind Pharisees.
 
These kinds of names is what we were told would happen who want to keep God's commandments Rev 12:17 so thanks for the blessings. Mat5:11 :)
Your smile emoji has self-righteousness written all over it. What do you believe it means to "keep" (Greek word - "tereo") God's commandments? Perfectly obey 100% of the time or something else? It's painfully obvious that whatever you believe it means, you believe that you have sufficiently done so and will receive eternal life based on that standard but as for believers who find their 'sabbatismos' rest in Christ (Hebrews 4:9) and not in observing a day (Colossians 2:16-17) you would say we have not kept the 4th commandment and therefore, (have not kept God's commandments) and we will not be saved because of it. That's what this whole division between SDA's and non-SDA believers is all about. Just admit it.
 
On a different Christian forum, a well known SDA continually posts this:

Sabbath

Baptist Confession of faith section 19 the TEN start in Eden (not a downsized nine)
D.L. Moody sermon on the TEN -- the Sabbath begins in Eden
Westminster confession of faith section 19 all TEN begin in Eden
C.H. Spurgeon all TEN from Eden
R.C. Sproul Sabbath commandment still valid (though speculated to have been edited in the NT without saying it)
Catholic Catechism Sabbath still valid (even those who speculate that it was edited to point to Sunday after the cross)


Anyone who relentlessly makes this much fuss over keeping the sabbath day is obviously trusting in keeping the sabbath day for salvation.
 
His disciples plucked the corn. He himself made clay to anoint the blind mans eyes. He allowed His disciples to do this, and endorsed it. He made the clay intentionally on the Sabbath. Just as He did the work of healing for the man with the withered hand on Sabbath and in the synagogue.

Clear violations of the letter of the law. Absolutely no way around it.
You blaspheme saying Jesus broke the Commandments, to use your words:"Absolutely no way around it", Jesus was sinless you refer to the sabbath as the pharisees did, Jesus explained how to follow it properly, but you cannot see this.
 
Baloney. Faithful people of God have been worshiping on Sundays for hundreds of years. If it were not for Martin Luther, who worshiped on Sunday, you promoters of dead religious legalism would have been burned at the stake as heretics. If you want to stick to Saturday, fine. Live in your own little religious bubble. Meanwhile, Sunday believers have been spreading the gospel around the world, some of whom have given their lives for the gospel. Your condemnation of those believers is an insult to the Spirit of grace.

You are blind and cannot see the truth. No one has the authority to change the commandments God gave personally and you cannot contradict this, nowhere in the bible does it say the day was changed. the sabbath God created for man has many uses and blessing one of them if for God to test us, our faithfulness , any who follow the wrong day fail this test and do not do God's Will but do their own by following the traditions of Men. Jesus, the disciples and Paul observed the sabbath day, why cant you?
 
That's the problem the religious have. They do not know what it means to observe the Sabbath. Can you turn on a light switch or is that work? One Rabbi says that you can't clip your fingernails on the Sabbath. While they are arguing about what day of the week to worship, true believers are dying for the sake of the gospel.
what you mention is the pharisee way that Jesus rebukes severely and is not what the bible says! see Isaiah about the sabbath and how to follow it properly , jesus did say a lot about itm whi do you ignore this.

Isa 58:13 If you turn your foot from breaking the Sabbath, from doing as you please on My holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight, and the LORD’s holy day honorable, if you honor it by not going your own way or seeking your own pleasure or speaking idle words,

Isa 58:14 then you will delight yourself in the LORD, and I will make you ride on the heights of the land and feed you with the heritage of your father Jacob.” For the mouth of the LORD has spoken.
 
Jesus was the prophet that Moses prophesied would come. He preached to Israel, not to the Gentile nations. He taught, healed and prophesied as a minister of the Old Covenant.

Even then, He showed mercy and grace and not enforcement of the Law. The adulterous woman should have been stoned. Jesus refused to condemn her.

There is now no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus. You ignore everything that comes after the birth of the church on the day of Pentecost. You ignore the fact that the New Covenant was made in the precious blood of Christ, as He bled and died on the cross.

I don't care how much you wave the legalist flag, you can't get around the truth of scripture. The 10 commandments are obsolete. They are the shadow and Christ is the reality.

What you wrote cuts against the clear words of Jesus, and no one who honors God’s Word should let that slide. Jesus never said the commandments are obsolete. He never said the Law was cancelled. He never said the Sabbath ended. These claims stand against His own words and His voice is the final authority.

You say Jesus preached only to Israel. Jesus said the opposite. In John 10:16 He said “other sheep I have, which are not of this fold.” In Matthew 28:19 He commanded His disciples to “teach all nations.” In Matthew 24:14 He said the gospel goes “in all the world for a witness unto all nations.” That alone destroys the claim that His teaching was only for Israel.

You say the Ten Commandments are obsolete. Jesus says you are wrong. Matthew 5:17–19 is clear as sunlight. He said “Think not that I am come to destroy the law” and warned that “whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.” You cannot get more direct than that. Jesus calls breaking the commandments and teaching others to break them a shameful thing in God’s kingdom.

You use the woman caught in adultery to say Jesus removed the Law. That is twisting the story. Jesus exposed the hypocrisy of the accusers. Then He told the woman “go, and sin no more” (John 8:11). He did not erase the commandment. He applied mercy, then commanded obedience. Mercy is not lawlessness.

You say the New Covenant removes the commandments. Jesus says no. In John 14:15 He said “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” In John 15:10 He tied abiding in His love with keeping His commandments. Jesus’ commandments are not optional. They are the measure of love and loyalty.

You say there is no condemnation. Jesus explains who escapes condemnation. In John 5:24 He said the one who hears His word and believes Him is passed from death to life. In John 8:51 He said “If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.” Those who keep His word. Those who obey His sayings. Not those who throw away the commandments.

You say the law is a shadow. Jesus is the Light. But light reveals what is right and wrong more clearly, not less. Jesus warned that many will face Him saying “Lord, Lord” and He will say “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity” (Matthew 7:23). Iniquity is lawlessness. Jesus rejects lawless people.

The truth is simple. Jesus taught the commandments. Jesus kept the commandments. Jesus commanded His disciples to teach everything He commanded “to all nations” (Matthew 28:20). Anyone who says the commandments are obsolete is speaking against Jesus, not defending Him.

The Son of God said it plainly. Believe Him. Honor Him. Stand with His words, not against them.
 
I started reading Ellen G White's "Great Controversy". I got about one page in before I quit. I'd been saved for about 4 years and even then I saw it as unbiblical. At least some Adventists put her writings on a par with scripture. That is not true. If her writing was supposed to be prophecy, then she was a false prophet.

Where I live, for decades there were laws that prohibited selling much at all on a Sunday. Most shops were closed. Now there are no restrictions. So no, your "prophet" has it totally wrong. 120 years later, Sunday has become fundamentally secular.

So where is the popular demand for Sunday observance? People are increasingly irreligious and the church increasingly irrelevant. And those who are turning to Christ are mostly through protestant, Sunday worshiping churches.
It wasn't until 1980 that the SDA officially accepted Trinitarian doctrine. They have long history of heretical and heterodox teachings.
 
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Jesus may have violated the traditions of men but He never violated the perfect law of God.

Which is why He was the propriation for our sins. You, on the other hand, are all about the traditions of men and would rather please them than God. Says so in scripture.
 
His disciples plucked the corn. He himself made clay to anoint the blind mans eyes. He allowed His disciples to do this, and endorsed it. He made the clay intentionally on the Sabbath. Just as He did the work of healing for the man with the withered hand on Sabbath and in the synagogue.

Clear violations of the letter of the law. Absolutely no way around it.

The op has consistentlh provided an alternative to the actual gospel, which you may have noticed by now? The 10 commandments are the covenant we have with God according to him and his little gang of like minded individuals. They seem to believe that Jesus died so we could keep the commandments.

They are anti-Paul and so will not acknowledge a large part of the New Testament...although they will explain about it with the caveat that Peter said Paul was hard to understand.

I don't know why this garbage continues in the BDF
 
It was never a sin to eat on the Sabbath why Jesus said they were guiltless Mat 12:7 or help people who are sick. These were all violations of the Pharasees man-made sabbath, not God’s Sabbath in the 4th commandment. Sadly the devil has attacked this commandment from every angle and still does. He really does not want people being blessed Isa 56:22 and sanctified by God Eze20:12 and knows he can’t take away that from God or those who keep their faith in Him, so came up with a whole counterfeit system as we were warned Dan7:25

Sadly you attack the gospel from every angle, will not answer pertinent questions, falsely accuse people and when they provide truth of the way you work, you ignore it and prance on. This post her of yours, is basic false teaching and as you like to tell everyone else, one day you will find that out. However, people are trying hard to help you out in the here and now.
 
The faithful people of GOD have been worshipping on the 7 th day since the beginning as He ordained and commanded, yes Commanded! His faithful people will continue to do so, as it is written in the book of revelations. GOD does not change!

God said to Remember it and keep the sabbath,, surely, Jesus did, Paul did the disciples did, so why can't you?

What puts peuple off is people think they have to do as the pharisees did who added do much rules to it that it became a burden, God did not make it a burden, people did. Read how Jesus rebuked the pharisees about it.

Isaiah 58:13-14 tells us how to follow the sabbath Jesus also told us how to, it's not a burden but a Blessing. but many won't listen and fail God's test of faithfulness.

Many do not understand Acts 15 and it's context and twist it until it becomes something else I will have to post on this... to be continued
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Acts 15: The Jerusalem Council and the Gospel to the Nations
The Context of Conflict and the Authority of Scripture
Acts 15 records a defining moment in the early church’s understanding of the gospel and the relationship between God’s law and salvation. Certain men taught that Gentile believers could not be saved unless they were circumcised and kept the Law of Moses (Acts 15:1, KJV). This teaching raised a crisis because it appeared to make salvation dependent not solely on Christ’s work but on observance of Jewish ritual requirements. The apostles and elders agreed to meet in Jerusalem to consider the matter “concerning this question” (Acts 15:2–6, KJV).

The narrative confirms that the early church did not presume its own wisdom but submitted the dispute to the leaders responsible for doctrinal adjudication. The decision was to be made “according to the words of the Lord,” reflecting early Christian conviction that Jesus’ teaching and the Scriptural witness have ultimate authority. While the conflict centered on ritual practice, it also raised a deeper question: What is the role of God’s law — especially the moral law — in the life of Gentile believers? Historic Christian theology has consistently distinguished between the ceremonial and civil laws of Israel, which were specific to the Old Covenant, and the moral law, which reflects God’s unchanging character and continues to guide Christian life under the New Covenant (Ridderbos, The Coming of the Kingdom, 223–227; Berkouwer, The Law and the Gospel, 112–118; Berkhof, Systematic Theology, 161–167).

Peter’s Reminder of God’s Work Among the Gentiles
When the council assembled, Peter stood and recounted how God had already worked among the Gentiles. He reminded the assembly that God chose him to preach to Cornelius and his household, and that the Holy Spirit came upon them just as it had on the Jewish believers (Acts 15:7–11; Acts 10:44–48, KJV). This event demonstrated that God receives people by faith and the gift of the Spirit, not by ritual observance. Peter’s testimony underscores that the inclusion of the nations was rooted in God’s own action, not in human invention. It also aligns with Jesus’ teaching that blessings are received by those who hear and obey His word, and that obedience to God’s moral will is central to the life of discipleship (John 14:15; John 15:10, KJV). In the early church’s own understanding, God’s moral expectations did not vanish with the end of the Old Covenant’s ceremonial functions; rather, believers were called to moral obedience out of gratitude and transformation (Grant, “The Decalogue in Early Christianity,” 1–17).

Barnabas and Paul Confirm God’s Mighty Works
Following Peter’s testimony, Barnabas and Paul described the miracles and wonders God performed among the Gentiles (Acts 15:12, KJV). Their testimony confirmed that God’s Spirit was actively transforming Gentile believers. These signs were not merely confirmatory of the apostles’ authority but of God’s sovereign calling of the nations into His family. This fulfillment of prophecy echoes the ancient promise that Gentiles would seek the Lord and be included in His people (Amos 9:11–12; Acts 15:16–17, KJV).

The contributions of Barnabas and Paul also show that the apostles understood the gospel as addressing human sin and moral transformation. The concern was not whether Gentiles would be righteous by law‑keeping alone, but whether they would be saved by faith expressed in obedience — a core theme of the New Testament (James 2:17). Christian ethical thought, shaped by this kind of testimony, reads Jesus’ moral teaching not as abolition but as fulfillment and deepening of God’s moral demands (Murray, Redemption Accomplished and Applied, 104–108).

The Council’s Deliberation and Decision
James, the brother of Jesus and a key leader in Jerusalem, drew the council to a conclusion. He affirmed Peter’s testimony and connected it with the prophetic witness that God would rebuild the fallen tent of David, allowing the Gentiles to seek the Lord (Acts 15:13–18, KJV). James then articulated the council’s judgment: Gentiles turning to God should not be burdened with circumcision or the added requirements of the Pharisees (Acts 15:19, KJV). Instead, they were to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood (Acts 15:20, KJV).

These instructions did not reflect a denial of God’s moral law; rather, they functioned as initial guidelines for Gentiles coming out of pagan practice. The moral law, as expressed in the Ten Commandments, still stood as the standard of God’s character. Classic Reformed theologians noted that while ceremonial law served as a tutor to bring people to Christ, the moral law continues under the New Covenant as the expression of God’s eternal righteousness (Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, 2:227–230; Ridderbos, 223–227). Jesus Himself taught that He came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it, emphasizing that obedience to God’s will is the mark of those who love Him (Matthew 5:17–19; John 14:15, KJV).

Delivering the Council’s Letter to the Gentiles
The apostles and elders sent Judas Barsabas and Silas with Paul and Barnabas to Antioch to deliver the council’s decision and letter (Acts 15:22–27, KJV). The letter clarified that the troubling message about circumcision had come from men, not from the apostles or the Holy Spirit, and that the Gentiles were to live in a way that honored God by turning from practices tied to idolatry (Acts 15:23–29, KJV). Judas and Silas encouraged and strengthened the believers with many words (Acts 15:32, KJV), demonstrating that pastoral care for moral formation accompanied doctrinal clarification. The emphasis was not legalistic rule‑keeping but the molding of a community that reflects God’s holiness, consistent with the early Christian understanding of God’s moral expectations (Berkouwer, 115–118).

Continuation of the Mission and Human Disagreement
After delivering the decision, Paul and Barnabas continued the missionary journey. A sharp disagreement arose between them concerning John, whose surname was Mark, because Barnabas wanted to take him on the journey, but Paul refused, saying that he had formerly departed from them in Pamphylia and went not with them to the work (Acts 15:36–38, KJV). The disagreement was so strong that Paul and Barnabas parted ways, with Barnabas taking Mark to Cyprus (Acts 15:39, KJV). Paul chose Silas, and the brethren commended them to the grace of God (Acts 15:40, KJV). They traveled through Syria and Cilicia, confirming and strengthening the churches (Acts 15:41, KJV).

This final scene underscores that the mission continues amid human disagreements, and that the spread of the gospel is ultimately sustained by God’s grace. Throughout Acts 15, the apostles preserved the teaching of Jesus, removed man‑made burdens, and upheld the moral standard inherent in God’s holy will, demonstrating that faith, obedience, and the Spirit are the hallmarks of the New Covenant church’s life and mission (Matthew 28:19–20; John 14:15, KJV).

References
  • Calvin, John. Institutes of the Christian Religion. Translated by Henry Beveridge. Peabody: Hendrickson, 2008.
  • Grant, R. M. “The Decalogue in Early Christianity.” Harvard Theological Review 40, no. 1 (1947): 1–17.
  • Berkouwer, G. C. The Law and the Gospel. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1954.
  • Berkhof, Louis. Systematic Theology. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1939.
  • Ridderbos, Herman. The Coming of the Kingdom. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1977.
  • Murray, John. Redemption Accomplished and Applied. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1955.
  • Warfield, B. B. The Plan of Salvation. Philadelphia: Presbyterian and Reformed, 1927.
  • Holy Bible, King James Version: Acts 10:44–48; 15:1–41; Matthew 5:17–19; 28:19–20; John 14:15; 15:10; Amos 9:11–12.
 
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The op has consistentlh provided an alternative to the actual gospel, which you may have noticed by now? The 10 commandments are the covenant we have with God according to him and his little gang of like minded individuals. They seem to believe that Jesus died so we could keep the commandments.

They are anti-Paul and so will not acknowledge a large part of the New Testament...although they will explain about it with the caveat that Peter said Paul was hard to understand.

I don't know why this garbage continues in the BDF


God did write His laws and commands in our hearts and sent the Holy Spirit so we could carry them out. Aĺl this was made possible by Jesus's 'sacrificial death. He's not going to turn around and condemn someone for using these gifs to please Him.

Why would you be upset about God making it easy to obey Him and people actually following through with them?

People will continue to obey God with His gifts because it's more important to them to please God than to please you. Might as well accept that. Or not. We won't care.


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God did write His laws and commands in our hearts and sent the Holy Spirit so we could carry them out. Aĺl this was made possible by Jesus's 'sacrificial death. He's not going to turn around and condemn someone for using these gifs to please Him.

Why would you be upset about God making it easy to obey Him and people actually following through with them?

People will continue to obey God with His gifts because it's more important to them to please God than to please you. Might as well accept that. Or not. We won't care.


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uh huh.

Kindly post the evidence for your claims. That should keep you busy the rest of the day and you still won't find anything. ;)