Still framing in the same false dichotomies and moralistic thinking: the threshold is not a quantity of sins but the sin of departing from faith in Christ - ceasing to trust, abide in, or remain loyal to Him; in other words, unbelief.
Loss of salvation???
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Still framing in the same false dichotomies and moralistic thinking: the threshold is not a quantity of sins but the sin of departing from faith in Christ - ceasing to trust, abide in, or remain loyal to Him; in other words, unbelief.
It has been a long time since seeing that video, you posted, thanks
MM
Galatians alone, that Epistle from Paul lets me know
Salvation is achieved by faith in Christ's work, not human effort.
Does that mean one, anyone in belief to God will continue in sin, in spite of the truth from God is done by Son for us all, per the Epistle of Galatians and Ephesians I see trust it is done by God for me to do as led, the same as Son did first in Father leading him first, our turn.
Then we have James who talks you better have works.
Who's works? the flesh as can be perfect> Good luck, been down that road, not possible Romans 8:3
So, what was James talking about? I see was talking about the believer in the risen Son for them, learns form God Father to just love all in his mercy and Truth of Son for them, regardless of who anyone is or not?
Is, that not what Son did, even after resurrected and seen by over 500 witnesses? Col 2 tells me that truth
I am saved by God and none of me or by any work I can do, have done or might do, Lord, thank you
So, Iask in trust to you PaPa, Father, Dad, tell me as you lead through gh me now, not me anymore
I am eternally saved by God not me or anyone else ever, Thank you MM for your standing belief ins father for us, not against us, for sending Son to take our deserved death place, giving us new life in your resurrected Son
No matter, whomever is saved is saved by God through Son. and God knows everyone personally Romans 8:15-16
Might be time to see "work out your own salvation" with fear and trembling, to see it is God who does the working out the reality, through you. Jesus Took no credit to self. Me seeing to do the same and stay in thanksgiving and praise trusting God to do through me the done work of Son for all to see and choose as well.
I am nothing but Father's vessel to be used as God sees fit, not self anymore as in past had been under that thrall to be seen as if I got it by others and did not get when was under Law. I was too busy with me, trying to get God to be pleased by me. Then got revealed by God Romans 8:1-3
thank you Father for the unveiling to me by your love and mercy through Son alone for me to be saved by you in this truth from you
You did it, what no other flesh could ever do, you did once for all, to now choose to believe you or not thank you
Might be time to see "work out your own salvation" with fear and trembling, to see it is God who does the working out the reality, through you. Jesus Took no credit to self. Me seeing to do the same and stay in thanksgiving and praise trusting God to do through me the done work of Son for all to see and choose as well.
I am nothing but Father's vessel to be used as God sees fit, not self anymore as in past had been under that thrall to be seen as if I got it by others and did not get when was under Law. I was too busy with me, trying to get God to be pleased by me. Then got revealed by God Romans 8:1-3
thank you Father for the unveiling to me by your love and mercy through Son alone for me to be saved by you in this truth from you
You did it, what no other flesh could ever do, you did once for all, to now choose to believe you or not thank you
Choose to believe God and be set free in love and mercy to all Thanks
Eternal life can be lost!
That lost in totally in the hands of each person and only that person.
Peter explains once you have escaped the defilement of this world by the knowledge of Christ and then return to this evil world
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world
through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,
they are again entangled therein, and overcome,
the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness,
than, after they have known [it],
to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the TRUE proverb,
The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
The "water" in that verse is referring to the mothers water of natural birth.
Amen.
That's the question generally asked by the followers of the salvation-loss-gospel gang. That gospel, although not false for those who were under it, and which is not valid for us today, was for those who were under it as preached by Peter and James. This is precisely why Paul called the body of Christ to rightly divide the word of truth...truth from truth, not truth from falsehood. That was not a false gospel back then before the fall of Israel. It was true for ALL up to the point of the fall of Israel and the reaching of the Gospel of Grace as preached by Paul in 1 Cor. 15:1-4.
Let's look at the audience James intentionally identified as to whom he was speaking:
James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
He was not the apostle to the Gentiles. He clearly identified his audience who were under the Kingdom Gospel. Yes, there are those who despise the dividing into two groupings the Messianic Jews and the Gentile believers. Those who follow that line of thinking have no grounding given the fact of distinctions the apostles themselves made in the text. We are ALL under the shed Blood of Christ, yes, but they at that time were not all under the same gospel. I've proven that over and over with some in the salvation-loss gang denying the clear language of what's written in the texts.
2 Peter 3:15-16
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
So, if Peter were preaching the same gospel as Paul, which he was not, as can be seen by simply reading Acts 2:38 and 1 Cor. 15:1-4 by comparison, observing the difference with an honest assessment, the claims of absolute similarity fall flat for those willing to read the scriptures with honest intentions for reading is all for what it says without injecting things into the text what isn't there as do Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Universalists, Liberal Theology followers and other cultic gangs.
It's quite amazing how some will make use of tactics that they never allow cult followers to use on them, but they'll turn right around, like the hypocrites they are, making use of tactics they know to be dishonest and a slaughter of the texts they claim to love and believe.
MM
So sorry, I won't, can't and not saying this proudly at all. I stand in trust to God alone Col 1:21-22 Eph 1:6, 7, 13 as Father has been teaching me new from every mistake made. Been learning. to listen to Father in Son alone. Phil 3, gave up Law by Father and Son. Standing in trust, knowing from God, Romans 8:15-16 for me at least. As that is the free only choice left after the death of Son for us in reconciliation to all first 2 Cor 5:16-20 then new life in Father's Spirit and Truth given
God simple loves us all, time to see why Son went to that cross willingly, it was for us all to be saved in his risen Life given by Father only to each person, no need to prove that to anyone else ever, to me at least, thanking Father for this gift.
God simple loves us all, time to see why Son went to that cross willingly, it was for us all to be saved in his risen Life given by Father only to each person, no need to prove that to anyone else ever, to me at least, thanking Father for this gift.
This is a very interesting claim you've made, although to someone else.
If I may, pray tell, what's the threshold for salvation loss?
Where is it?
Are you claiming that YOU have abstained from ALL the pollutions of this world?
Are you that righteous?
How do you abstain from those pollutions?
WHAT are those pollutions?
Do you not still sin in this life?
How many sins does it take to send one to Hell?
How great a sin does one have to commit to be cast into Hell, or to cause the Father to forfeit His own Holy Spirit to mankind and his sins?
Many more questions could be asked, but this should suffice for the time being.
MM
Thank you again, informative and interesting.
I understand the Battle all in. all is between Fleh and the Spirit of Father
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Gal 5:16-18
16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[a] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
thank you, as I see
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Gal 5:16-18
16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[a] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
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2 Cor 10:5-6
5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God,and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. 6 And we will be ready to punish every act of disobedience, once your obedience is complete.
Mine is not, yet whenever I thought I got it, sin appeared again in my pride thinking I got it, when only Father and Son got it, thanks
Yes.
Conversely, the salvation-loss gang almost always gravitate over into a realm of belief about what I've been saying that's not at all representative of what any within the grace camp, who are under the Gospel of Grace, believe and teach.
Everlasting salvation isn't a teaching whereby we say to anyone that they can continue living any old way they want. We're saying that one's salvation is firmly established onto the foundation of grace through faith alone, and that good works can and should follow in the life of a truly saved individual. The manic hatred of the biblical teaching of salvation being based upon nothing in self-effort, that's a problem they will have to grapple with on their own because of their failure to accept what scripture actually teaches and states with great clarity.
This inferior practice of casting shadows and falsehoods into what we say and believe, that's a tool of Satan used by those who are instruments in the hands of that personage.
So, no matter how much you show to them that we don't believe and teach what they claim we teach, they will continue in their Satanic lies and misrepresentations about our beliefs in the sufficiency that's in the shed Blood of Christ Jesus.
MM
Look at verse 6.
Did you notice the word REBORN??
You really think after all the work GOD did for John the baptist and all of the baptizing going on JESUS is saying you have to born naturally and by the spirit to be reborn????
One would think if you wasn't born naturally you would not even be able to read HIS word?
Did you know being born naturally is how we got our sins?
So to you JESUS is saying since you are born in sin all you need is to be born of the spirit.
Why didn't JESUS just say, since HE knows anyone who is reading HIS word is born naturally, why didn't HE just say you need to be born of the spirit to ENTER?
In regard to the word "water" in John 3:5, there are those who would argue that the natural sense of the passage parallels water with being born out of a mother’s womb and with flesh based on the answer of Nicodemus to Jesus. Simply stated in that case, two births are necessary. The first is a physical, literal, "flesh" birth accompanied by amniotic "water" and the second is Spirit.
There are also those who would argue that Jesus mentions "living water" in John 4:10, 14; 7:37-39 and in John 7:38-39, we read - "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the source of living water and spiritual cleansing.
Now if "water" is defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38. If this sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or the means of becoming born again. So, to automatically read "baptism" into John 3:5 simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted.
Yet there are still others who would argue that "water" is used in the Bible as an emblem of the word of God, and in such uses it is associated with cleansing or washing. (John 15:3; Ephesians 5:26) When we are born again, the Holy Spirit begets new life, and we are said to become "partakers of the divine nature." (2 Peter 1:4) The new birth is brought to pass through "incorruptible seed, by the word of God, which lives and abides forever" (I Peter 1:23) and the Holy Spirit accomplishes the washing of regeneration. (Titus 3:5)
How can you be sure that those people really believed Jesus rose from the dead in the first place? Afterall, one can believe much about Jesus, all of it being true, but if you don't truly believe He rose from the dead, then one's faith is in vain.
Our salvation is to be found in the Resurrection of Christ, not His death. His death made salvation possible for all but it is His life that saves.
Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
If it can be lost it's not eternal.
He said it the way He said it because Nicodemus was confused. Nicodemus thought Jesus meant two natural births. Jesus clarified by saying one natural birth and one spiritual birth.
John 3:6
Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
So?
From your response...
One might assume that you are a follower of Replacement theology?
That you believe Israel is done for?
And that the Church has taken over its position permanently?
Or, you simply could not follow what was being said?
What most of them overlook is that the Church was FIRST populated ONLY by Jews, not Gentiles.
MM