Understanding apologetics

[Jordon]

A follow up to my last post for those interested, justification by faith alone

for anyone who watches this, you will see that Catholics once taught you could gain justification by faith alone through a sacrament, but then changed it to you can lose that justification through a mortal sin, but then you could regain justification through another sacrament, called penitence

But even then you couldn't gain complete justification because you need to keep producing works to keep gaining Gods satisfaction, meaning before you die you have to be inherently righteous before you die to go straight to heaven, meaning not one single blemish in your soul must remain not one then you go to heaven.

Not a single blemish in your soul, like just one, not even tiny little one, even tho you've produced good works by there standards, you then have to go to a place called purgatory because of a tiny blemish, to receive more justification, Before going to heaven, this is despite the fact you could have commited a mortal sin and been re justified, this is the gospel according to Rome theses days.

So basically you can commit a mortal sin and be justified, but if you die with a tiny blemish, you are not justified, you have to re justified before you go to heaven.


So once they taught a gospel now they don't.

 

[Jordon]

for anyone who watches this, you will see that Catholics once taught you could gain justification by faith alone through a sacrament, but then changed it to you can lose that justification through a mortal sin, but then you could regain justification through another sacrament, called penitence

But even then you couldn't gain complete justification because you need to keep producing works to keep gaining Gods satisfaction, meaning before you die you have to be inherently righteous before you die to go straight to heaven, meaning not one single blemish in your soul must remain not one then you go to heaven.

Not a single blemish in your soul, like just one, not even tiny little one, even tho you've produced good works by there standards, you then have to go to a place called purgatory because of a tiny blemish, to receive more justification, Before going to heaven, this is despite the fact you could have commited a mortal sin and been re justified, this is the gospel according to Rome theses days.

So basically you can commit a mortal sin and be justified, but if you die with a tiny blemish, you are not justified, you have to re justified before you go to heaven.


So once they taught a gospel now they don't.

there are many Catholics who we call crypto catholics meaning they believe they can be justified by faith alone, but can't believe it in full until they die.

But it's sad that they believe they can keep being re justified,

It's complete dishonesty by rome and its so sad, I feel so sorry for there followers.

 

[CS1]

Thank you for thoughtful response but it fails to answer the question doesn't it? We should be ready but the question is MUST we answer when called upon?

IF the context of "Called upon" is give an answer for the reason why you believe. Yes.

 

[Nedsk]

IF the context of "Called upon" is give an answer for the reason why you believe. Yes.

So there's no choice?

 

[Nedsk]

we are justified by faith alone. That's what your not including here.

What that means the most, and most important understanding in Christian faith building that you don't have keep seeking a priest for confession. And you don't have keep being a guilty Catholic unsure of your faith being secured by justification, it's not complete sanctification, but it is justification, meaning you can free of guilt, because you can gain confidence over time and gain full assurance, by his faith assuring you your gift is true of his calling.

Basically it means your gift faith has been justified by God the father, because of the sons faith pleased God, so when the sons faith is given to you as a gift, it means your also now walking in his justification.

So it's justified to seek assurance.

And as James said faith is made complete by works. That's what you absolutely refuse to accept. Do you not even try to understand what the word alone means? You people surely do to me what sufficient means. Its amazing to me how you folks just ignore what you don't like.

 

[CS1]

So there's no choice?

yes, there is a choice, on how you answer.

 

[Nedsk]

yes, there is a choice, on how you answer.

But no choice about whether you answer or not?

 

[Jordon]

And as James said faith is made complete by works. That's what you absolutely refuse to accept. Do you not even try to understand what the word alone means? You people surely do to me what sufficient means. Its amazing to me how you folks just ignore what you don't like.

The formula is faith plus work equals justification + grace plus merit equals justification + Christ and my inherent righteousness that gives me justification.

 

[Jordon]

The formula is faith plus work equals justification + grace plus merit equals justification + Christ and my inherent righteousness that gives me justification.

this is the Roman Catholic view 4 minutes long

 

[Jordon]

The formula is faith plus work equals justification + grace plus merit equals justification + Christ and my inherent righteousness that gives me justification.

our faith the reformers faith crossed out works merit and me

To make it faith alone grace alone Christ alone

 

[CS1]

But no choice about whether you answer or not?

all responses must be Biblical.


such as answer by prayer , the word of God, ones personal Testimony. Jesus showed also that silence is too an answer.

 

[Nedsk]

The formula is faith plus work equals justification + grace plus merit equals justification + Christ and my inherent righteousness that gives me justification.

More word salad.

You can see them that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

It's not either or, it's both and.

 

[Jordon]

More word salad.

You can see them that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

It's not either or, it's both and.

how is it word salad to you ?, that's your formula for justification in the Catholic faith ?

It's a bit of contrast to me that your faith does believe in justification by faith alone but only after a being sanctified to a high level of righteousness

 

[NightTwister]

So there's no choice?

You've been told several times that nobody here believes that. Is bearing false witness a mortal or venial sin?

 

[Nedsk]

how is it word salad to you ?, that's your formula for justification in the Catholic faith ?

It's a bit of contrast to me that your faith does believe in justification by faith alone but only after a being sanctified to a high level of righteousness

You need a citation from a catholic source. That "pastor" guy on your videos isn't a Catholic source. When I say cite a catholic source you know what that means right?

 

[Nedsk]

You've been told several times that nobody here believes that. Is bearing false witness a mortal or venial sin?

Then you're confused because you say "genuine" faith produces works. A tomato plants produces tomatoes. It doesn't have a choice.

I'm not lying (bearing false witness, a sin) I may be mistaken (an error not a sin) but I'm merely recalling what had been told to me.

 

[NightTwister]

Then you're confused because you say "genuine" faith produces works. A tomato plants produces tomatoes. It doesn't have a choice.

I'm not lying (bearing false witness, a sin) I may be mistaken (an error not a sin) but I'm merely recalling what had been told to me.

Tomatoes aren't people. I've already explained this. Lying isn't bearing false witness. Lying isn't necessarily a sin (see: Rahab, et. al.). Bearing false witness includes misrepresenting others after being corrected. What you're recalling is what you've determined others believe, not what they say they believe. To be clear, nobody here says true faith is without works. You should stop trying to accuse us of something we've clearly said is not true of what we believe.

 

[Jordon]

You need a citation from a catholic source. That "pastor" guy on your videos isn't a Catholic source. When I say cite a catholic source you know what that means right?

nope he's a professor who even says unnecessary slander is sometimes aimed at your church for the wrong reason, and points out what is the real reason we should question your faith,

The main reason is over the one word alone that causes the devide, and how your church adapted a doctrine call alone, plus x y c

I'm sorry but he understands your faith in full.

 

[Nedsk]

nope he's a professor who even says unnecessary slander is sometimes aimed at your church for the wrong reason, and points out what is the real reason we should question your faith,

The main reason is over the one word alone that causes the devide, and how your church adapted a doctrine call alone, plus x y c

I'm sorry but he understands your faith in full.

Lmbo you think he does but it's clear neither you nor him can cite a Catholic source for your claims. You're an adult right? But you can't understand what I mean when I say, cite a Catholic source. Do you need an example?

 

[Jordon]

Lmbo you think he does but it's clear neither you nor him can cite a Catholic source for your claims. You're an adult right? But you can't understand what I mean when I say, cite a Catholic source. Do you need an example?

I tell you what, you show me a sermon ideally from a person who can express your churches faith in full. And we can then see if he doesn't question your faith correctly

You must have some sermons you like.